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EagleSmack

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Hoid I thought Canada wasn't investing in the Coast guard?

Coast guard's $227M ships rock 'like crazy,' making crews seasick, unable to work

But I guess it isn't much good when the crew is seasick


Are you serious?


"Canada's $227-million fleet of mid-shore coast guard vessels are rolling "like crazy" at sea, making crews seasick and keeping some ships in port during weather conditions where they should be able to operate, CBC News has learned."



The Canadian Coast Guard has to stay in port when the seas are rough!
 

Twin_Moose

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Are you serious?
"Canada's $227-million fleet of mid-shore coast guard vessels are rolling "like crazy" at sea, making crews seasick and keeping some ships in port during weather conditions where they should be able to operate, CBC News has learned."
The Canadian Coast Guard has to stay in port when the seas are rough!

Typical the Libs. are trying to delay repairs until after the election so they can quietly upgrade them if they get back in, or attack the next Gov. for the delay
 

Hoid

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This procurement has Steven Harper all over it.

Wasn't it sort of McKay's payoff for turning the conservative party over to the reform yahoos?
 

Hoid

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I believe the flaw in the design was pointed out many years ago.

SO it was already pre-ignored by the Harper government,
 

spilledthebeer

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This ain't good for the Lib. Gov.

Crown, feds talked strategy in Norman case



How many scandals can the Libs afford in an election year?


Oh dont worry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Admiral Norman trial will be put off till after the October election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or else LIE-berals will very soon declare a MISS TRIAL and then give Norman 10.5 million dollars and take away his passport and



internet access- and refer to him in future a Omar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all it looks like LIE-berals will need ALL their lawyers to deal with SNC Lavalin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

spilledthebeer

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This procurement has Steven Harper all over it.

Wasn't it sort of McKay's payoff for turning the conservative party over to the reform yahoos?




POOR STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our CLOSET LIE-beral Curious Cdn was just telling me it is SAD that Cdns no longer know how to build or design warships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And HARPER AGREED with Curious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Harper idea was to RESTORE some skill and ability in Cdn ship yards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And to modernize some of our operations as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the LIE-beral announcement about the BAE type 26 destroyer contract- LIE-berals have made it clear they expect a LOT OF THE WORK to be done by Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now here we have Our idiot Boy trying to drum up ship building jobs for Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe you stupid LIE-berals had better get your stories straight so you dont talk in circles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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Maybe you should read up on it.




OH HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If the design flaw of the ships was KNOWN for many years then why did your LIE-beral pals NOT FIX IT??????????????????????????


Or maybe LIE-berals DID fix the ships- by REMOVING the stabilizers to save on gravy????????????????



Or maybe LIE-berals have a plan to retrofit the ships in the future- as a consolation prize for shipyard workers- you know- a nice little bit of pork barrel politics after LIE-beals kill the destroyer contract that they didnt want anyway???????????????????????????/



Is this the kind of navy LIE-berals desire to build for us????????????????????????


The army trucks that LIE-beral Chretien bought for us were not capable of off road travel- as armies often need and require!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The armoured vehicles that Our idiot Boy has bought the army are prone to engine fires and transmission failures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such flaws as stripped transmissions and cracked axles and engine fires are not a big deal if you only expect to parade the machines around once in a while -but for serious military use they sound like a serious PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And why would Our idiot Boy not by LAV 3`s- built right here in Ontari-owe?????????????????????


And LAV 3`s have a nice reliable service record too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It seems to me that LIE-beals are continuing their long standing policy of ensuring the Cdn military has a many costly and useless weapons as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



A lets assume LIE-berals actually DO buy some destroyers some day in the far distant FUTURE?????????????????


Will those destroyers be like the F 18`s Pierre Trudeau purchased- you know the ones WITHOUT BOMB RACKS - so they could not attack anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



We KNOW LIE-berals despise the military and want to get rid of it -so maybe ensuring the Cdn military is unarmed and ineffective is just the LIE-berals way of making a political statement??????????????????



LIE-berals paid put FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN PENALTIES for the privilege of NOT BUYING helicopters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What are the odds that if Our idiot Boy is re-elected next October- that his FIRST NEW BILL will kill BOTH Kinder Morgan pipeline AND the new ship purchase as well???????????????????????


I say that if idiot Boy is re-elected then we are guaranteed to be having NO new ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And- if the patrol ship flaw was known then WHY did LIE-berals NOT FIX the ships??????????????


Shall we guess it was for the same reason they did not fix the Phoenix Pay System?????????????????????


Apparently it is easier for LIE-berals to leave things BROKEN and just shrug and blame Harper?????????????


Certainly blaming Harper is CHEAPER than fixing things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Especially if you are a LIE-beral and do not care if govt gets true value for money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Buying votes for LIE-berals is more important than fixing things anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



How is it that Our VAUNTED civil service union Hogs can design a pay system that works SO BADLY????????????????????


Did the federal Hogs TAKE LESSONS from the Ontari-owe Hogs who are STILL WORKING ON the scandal ridden E-health computer system!!!!!!!!!



And how is it that LIE-berals and Hogs would simply shut off the old pay system and turn on Phoenix??????????????????????


Without any sort of testing or back up plan????????????????????????????


Phoenix was in development when Harper left office.................yet it was Hogs and LIE-berals who decreed IT IS READY- lets use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And let the chips fall where they may!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe we have the answer as to WHY Our idiot Boy is running such HUGE deficits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe PHOENIX ATE ALL THAT LIE-BERAL GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And stupid Hogs do not know how to shut the damned thing OFF again???????????????????


So HOID- WHO SHOULD WE BLAME FOR THE FAULTS IN YOUR PERSONAL OPERATING SYSTEM????????????????????????????
 

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News flash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Curious cdn and other LIE-berals are frantic to CHANGE THE DEBATE away from the MULtIPLE FAILURES of LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Consider the details of the Lavalin MESS that LIE-berals are HOPING we will not notice or recall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!










Here is the dirty secret at the heart of the SNC Lavalin affair that LIE-berals- with the aid of LIE-beral friendly media whores ARE TRYING TO HIDE! With some comments of my own in brackets):

SNC-Lavalin violated Elections Act with contributions to Liberals,

The federal elections commissioner says SNC-Lavalin entered into a compliance agreement for making nearly $118,000 in contributions that violated the Canada Elections Act.

The Canadian Press. Updated: September 8, 2016

By Bruce Cheadle

(NOTE THE DATE this article was published! This is the CLASSIC media whore defense of LIE-berals whenever something damaging comes up! LIE-beral friendly media makes one obscure announcement that few people see or hear about- and then they change the subject!)

(In 2019 - all that is currently being discussed is how Lavalin made some bribes in third world pest holes- with the LIE-beral narrative asserting that the charges ARE TRIVIAL!)

(But the charges GROW MORE SERIOUS when one discovers the long BURIED report that Lavalin was violating election law WRITTEN BY LIE-berals- and that Wilson-Raybould may have quit cabinet over the way Our idiot Boy wants to handle the alleged CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

OTTAWA — Montreal-based global engineering giant SNC-Lavalin continues to dig out from a series of corporate governance scandals, this time involving improper donations to federal political parties over a seven-year period ending in 2011.

A compliance agreement with the federal elections commissioner, announced Thursday, details almost $118,000 in donations to the Liberal and Conservative parties through company employees or their spouses who were then reimbursed by SNC-Lavalin.

This illegal practice for skirting corporate donation limits was identified by a Quebec anti-corruption inquiry as a widespread problem in municipal and Quebec provincial politics, although the provincial Charbonneau Commission’s mandate prevented it from following federal political threads.

Not so federal Elections Commissioner Yves Côté, whose office says it continues to pursue the matter.

(And we have had a series of reports that indicate that Quebec has the most corrupt govts in Canada! With organized crime being so well set up that ALL govt contracts allegedly carry a “finders fee” for criminals! And based on what is happening with Raybould it would appear that Our idiot Boy wants to make damned sure that VERY LITTLE dirty laundry gets aired in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

According to the agreement entered into by SNC-Lavalin, former senior executives approached employees to make political contributions and, in some cases, those employees were reimbursed with refunds for false personal expenses, fictitious bonuses or other benefits.

The improperly donated sums included: $83,534.51 to the Liberal Party of Canada; $13,552.13 to various Liberal riding associations; $12,529.12 to four contestants in the 2006 Liberal leadership race, including $5,000 each to Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae; $3,1137.73 to the Conservative Party of Canada; and $5,050 to various Conservative riding associations.

(Oh that`s NICE! Lavalin admits to giving out $118 grand in court and then lawyers will forget about the tens of millions! AND Lavalin gives that token $13 million to Conservatives and $83 million to LIE-berals! Give a little to Conservatives just to muddy the waters and give a BIG CHUNK to LIE-berals- that Lavalin clearly prefers!!!!!!!!!)

All the funds have been repaid to the federal treasury by the respective national parties, both of whom disavow any knowledge of the scheme.

(The entire court deal is a DIRTY SNAKE PIT and there apparently needs TO BE A PUBLIC AIRING OF THE DIRTY LAUNDRY! The fact that Conservative Scheer is demanding a FULL INQUIRY while Our idiot Boy is apparently trying to make the problems DISAPPEAR and is so eager to dismiss the mess that he would get into a public dog fight with his Justice Minister over his alleged “directing” of the court case rather suggests that LIE-berals DO KNOW all about the dirt -while Conservatives DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“As soon as LPC was made aware of the issue last month by Elections Canada, the party acted immediately to fully reimburse all of the amounts involved, including those pertaining to 2006 leadership campaigns (which have long since closed their accounts),” Liberal spokesman Braeden Caley said in an email.

Conservative party spokesman Cory Hann said the improper funds “were returned to the receiver general as soon as we were notified these individuals’ donations were reimbursed by a corporation,” adding the party expects donors to act truthfully and within the law.

The independent elections watchdog said SNC-Lavalin co-operated fully with its investigation, accepts responsibility for the improper payments and acknowledges the contributions were made on the company’s behalf. The compliance agreement, however, does not constitute an admission of guilt under criminal law.

The deal includes SNC-Lavalin hiring an in-house ethics watchdog, putting in place new “compliance and governance policies to detect, curb and prevent ethically problematic practices” and updating its corporate code of conduct to specifically deal with political donations.

“I am pleased that this agreement was reached,” SNC-Lavalin CEO Neil Bruce said in a statement. “It once again shows our desire and commitment to resolve past issues.”

(Uh huh! Or at least it reveals how badly Lavalin officials want to bury this dogs breakfast- with LIE-beral AID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Earlier this year, SNC-Lavalin announced it was making restitution to municipalities and other public bodies in Quebec for obtaining contracts through questionable means. The provincial government started a program last year to recover money paid in connection with public contracts obtained as a result of fraud or fraudulent tactics.

(And just HOW FAR does this use of “questionable means” extend into Quebec Politics? How much of the truth has YET TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY-now that lawyers have agreed to bury the legal hatchet AND any undisclosed truth???) And shall we assume that this years legal penalties will be TAX DEDUCTIONS FOR NEXT YEAR ????)

Last December, the company signed a confidential “administrative agreement” with the federal Public Works Department that allows it to continue bidding on government contracts while overseas corruption charges against former SNC-Lavalin executives work their way through the courts. Under new rules introduced just before last year’s federal election, companies facing corruption charges can be barred from bidding on government work for 18 months — or for 10 years upon conviction.

( If the “administrative agreement” is squeaky clean then WHY is it confidential?)

(And the new anti corruption charges were introduced by Harper Conservatives early in 2015? Suggesting that Harper was getting steadily increasing hints of how big the Lavalin problem might be - if anybody investigated it fully and honestly! So Harper moved to make it harder for schemers to profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Analysts estimate as much as 20 per cent of SNC-Lavalin’s business is with Canadian governments.

Back in 2004, when the compliance agreement says the first improper party donations were occurring, SNC-Lavalin was a partner in one of the principal private supply contracts for the Canadian military in Afghanistan, operating on a 10-year contract worth as much as $700 million, according to one report.

(And it was LIE-beral Chretien that sent the Cdn troops to Afghanistan!)

The Charbonneau Commission, which began its work in 2011, heard allegations about the existence of an illegal political fund raising system that was controlled, municipally and provincially, by engineering companies that were also active in political financing at the federal level.

(OH? Illegal fund raising by engineering companies -as in PLURAL? So who else is involved? Or was the Charbonneau investigative mandate TOO LIMITED????)

One witness, former construction boss Lino Zambito, testified that bigger engineering companies often demanded he deliver cash donations to provincial parties in amounts far exceeding the legal fundraising limit. Zambito said he would split up the donations and filter them through friends, family and employees.

(Gosh! Witness Zambito certainly THINKS there were multiple engineering companies involved! I guess nobody checked out his testimony??????)

(WE may even ask if the employees EVEN KNEW they were making donations? After all who is to say donations were not made in their names by anonymous others? How dirty did this established business get???????????)

SNC-Lavalin vice-president Yves Cadotte testified the company helped raise money for Quebec political parties despite a three-decade-old law against corporate donations. He told the commission dozens of SNC executives donated just over $1 million to the Quebec Liberal party and the Parti Quebecois between 1998 and 2010.

(AS I recall, it was Bloc Quebecois leaders who banned corporate donations to provincial political parties in Quebec because the Bloc so seldom got any donations from biz- and so they moved to cancel out the donations to their opponents!)

(That the Lavalin affair has returned to court and come back to the public eye suggests to this disgusted tax payer that the mess has NOT been resolved in a fair and honest way! Apparently all that has been done so far is for some stinking lawyers to gather in a back room and cobble together some quick and dirty excuses and then try to BURY the dirt before the reek gets so nasty it starts damaging political careers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Andrew Scheer is RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Lavalin mess NEEDS A FULL INQUIRY! And our LIE-beral loving news media DESERVES PUBLIC SCORN for apparently helping LIE-berals hide what appears to be the second greatest political scandal in Cdn History!!!!)

(The Lavalin scandal appears to me to be second ONLY to the LIE-beral adscam mess in which LIE-berals stand accused of receiving three billion dollars stolen from the Human Resources Ministry! The adscam scandal which occurred when LIE-beral Chretien was PM, and representing Quebec riding- is the greatest Cdn scandal!!! And the Minister in charge at the time was Alphonse Galliano- ALSO from Quebec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(It appears to this disgusted Cdn that the investigation into Adscam was just as INCOMPLETE as the Lavalin inquiry!!!!!!! Chretien made efforts to LIMIT the scope of the investigation and in the end only two men- neither of them actual memebers of the LIE-beral party went to jail!)

(The first man to be convicted was given both a jail term and $2 million dollar fine! With the jail term to be ended just as soon as he paid the fine! And of course at trial the guy pleaded that he was bankrupt! But within two months of getting his sentence - that pay the fine or go to jail deal- the dead broke guy PAID the two million dollar fine! With the help of some very generous anonymous friends!! After all, how many pals would you have to hit up for $2 million dollars WORTH OF GIFTS???????????? )

(When the money was paid up - even the judge was skeptical but the CONVICT glibly explained that some un-named “friends” had helped him out with “donations”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(This is all to illustrate yet again why some politicians are called LIE-BERALS! And why we should DEMAND ANSWERS about Lavalin and those other un-named engineering companies!!!!!!!!)
 

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Are you serious?
"Canada's $227-million fleet of mid-shore coast guard vessels are rolling "like crazy" at sea, making crews seasick and keeping some ships in port during weather conditions where they should be able to operate, CBC News has learned."
The Canadian Coast Guard has to stay in port when the seas are rough!
Yeah, the whole fleet has to ... the ice breakers, the hover craft, the rescue boats, the bouy tenders ... all of them. The whole enchilada is one new near-shore class.

By the way, how is the US Navy's super-duper Littoral Combat Ship program going?

http://taskandpurpose.com/navy-littoral-combat-ship-problems
 

EagleSmack

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I wouldn't know... I'm Russian remember?


*snicker*


So, in essence Canada is now a Brown Water Navy eh?
 

EagleSmack

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"They can't go out to sea and do the fisheries patrols when the fishermen are on the fishing grounds because they can't handle the wave action, they can't handle the sea. So as a result they lose a lot of patrol time," he told CBC News in an interview.




*snicker*