Petroleum comes from dead marine life like mollusks, actually. Coal comes from dead vegetation. Musk is a bit closer than you think.
Canada Failing to Put Climate Change Plans in Action
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I'm watching a Climate Debate right now like I've never seen before. Both people, on each side of the debate, are polite!! Wow....this debate is taking place in a civil and respectful manner. I know this may seem hard to believe but here's the Link. I'm less than 1/2 way through the debate but I'm blown away at the level of maturity being displayed in a Global Warming debate!!!!
Just finished watching the above. These two guys where Awesome!! Debated Politely, and it was fantastic!
That troll is a terrible TROLL trilled the two faced Troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Curious offers us a good look at his own HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consider what LIE-berals have done for us in recent years- and then understand that Our idiot Boy is going to BREAK THE BANK trying to cling to power with his spring 2019 election budget:::::
Is it not truly amazing what those LIE-berals have done for us in the last year up to spring of 2017? Thanks to LIE-berals, the value of the Cdn dollar has dropped by 30 percent this year.
Food costs are soaring 25-40 percent this year.
Lie-berals have re-introduced their nasty little eco-fee for a substantial array of items-IN SPITE of the fact that many cash strapped Cdns diligently collect any and all electronics, tv`s, stereos, water heaters, furnaces, air conditioners and all manner of scrap metal left at the curb and take this stuff to PRIVATE recycling companies for recycling for the sake of earning some extra pennies! With No cost to HOGS, yet Lie-berals charge us as if their civil service Hog allies were handling this debris! In fact the DIRTY LITTLE SECRET of our Hogs is that if you phone city hall to have union Hogs come get your debris-THEY TAKE IT TO PRIVATE RECYCLERS ANYWAY! So the eco fee is nothing but a cash grab by GROSSLY entitled PIGS!
And those cans of left over paint you put out for the trash-you KNOW the Hogs
collect that at local city transfer stations and then LET THE PUBLIC in to REUSE that paint-ITS NOT RECYCLED-most of it ends up on the walls of a house some place as cash strapped Cdns grab up FREE paint! In fact, at a lot of municipal
govt collection yards, the Hogs don’t even need to drive around to collect the paint-people DROP IT OFF FOR FREE-the Hogs just have to store it for a while till dead broke Cdns come to collect it-and you can mix up some interesting colours if you collect enough of the right shades....FOR FREE!!! But it does not stop LIE-berals from collecting eco fees on paint that they DON’T recycle!
Electricity costs are going up another 10 percent this year and Lie-berals also intend to add a carbon tax to our soaring natural gas bills!
Our water bills will also be going up ANOTHER 8 percent this year. LIE-berals tell us they need the extra money for necessary repairs to the water and electricity distribution system and this is LIE-beral talk that means they gave themselves raises, perks and solid gold pensions year after year and NEGLECTED to repair anything for so long that now we have emergency failures and breakdowns.....but they STILL WANT MORE GRAVY for themselves in spite of the mess they have made!
When McWynnty was appointed Ontari-owe premier, she stood in front of teacher Hogs and swore she would do whatever it took to regain their trust and she MEANS it-she will sell our souls if need be to BUY Hog votes. Is it any wonder that some people now refer to McWynnty as The Great Whore because she has sold herself and her party and OUR FUTURE to the Hogs!
Lie-berals have also killed off the income splitting that some people counted on so taxes will rise for the very `middle class` types Lie-berals claim to want to save! How ironic that civil service Hogs campaigned against Harper because he froze their wages-yet Lie-berals are actually working to ERODE those wages with inflation and an array of new taxes!!!! And Hog wages are STILL FROZEN under LIE-beral rule! Zero sum is the new normal! What a bunch of Hog Maroons-they are going to have LESS MONEY with LIE-berals than with Harper!
The exciting new Lie-beral Carbon tax will make the price of EVERYTHING SOAR! Massive inflation for EVERYBODY! And as TEN YEARS of experience with exactly the same sort of plan has shown in Europe, the whole Lie-beral scheme is nothing but a corrupt economy killing MESS. The same pack of scammers who brought us ENRON and NORTEL were EXCITED about a LIE-beral implemented carbon tax! Does this not give the reader pause for thought? The biggest THIEVES in history WANTED a LIE-beral carbon tax!
And what of the new Lie-beral pension plan? Last month 53,000 Cdns LOST their full time jobs.....but 49,000 Cdns found PART TIME JOBS! Isnt that nice...LIE-berals will let you starve now in exchange for POVERTY in your old age! What a GREAT DEAL!
And LIE-berals have brought in 25,000 Syrian refugees and are working to bring in tens of thousands MORE! Yes. LIE-berals have arranged to import a pack of people whose religious beliefs, moral values and political orientation will make it pretty much impossible for them to fully integrate into Cdn society! They think our Christian religion is inferior and we out to pay a tax to go to church. They think Western women are all sluts with way too much freedom and need to be trained to serve men properly. The Moslems want a BIG chunk of our Constitution repealed for their convenience-to be replaced by Sharia Law and have already approached LIE-beral leaders here in Ontari-owe about that. And they want to disrupt our long standing relations with our two closest allies: Britain and United States because of their political orientation and beliefs. Instead of supporting our current allies, Muslims would like to see Western nations emasculated and Israelis driven into the sea in a grotesque new HOLOCAUST! The mass of Syrians represent a grave new security risk for Canada and will need to be watched by security forces for DECADES to head off any and all MURDEROUS JIHADIST impulses by our new neighbours. But LIE-berals don’t care about any of this-just so long as they get the votes.....and the GRAVY!
Yeah, but the trolls are deliberately missing his point, which is the simply sane notion that we should do research to diversify our energy sources.
Not that we haven't had diversity in our energy sources up to now, mind. Hydro. Nuclear. Even wind on a small scale.
Funny part is you don't hear the oil-suckers complaining about those.
It's kinda like the Trump Monument. Everybody's lost what little minds they ever had. On one hand you have the people who DEMAND a six-meter high wall across 700 miles of uninhabitable, impassable, hardpan desert that nobody crosses anyhow, and demand that technology not progress beyond 1957 and that no money be spent on research. On the other you've got the people who want no physical barriers on the border at all, to the extent of tearing down the ones already there, and insist that if we burn one. . . more. . . drop of oil, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
It's people who think in memes and tweets.
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."
--Gene Wilder as Jim, the Waco Kid, Blazing Saddles
The best part of this is that Victoria is promoting it's cruise ship facilities. Now if there is any segment of business that is totally worthless this is it. ANd one of the largest carbon footprint so to boot.
That`s nice Ron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A polite debate is so pleasant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No doubt the speakers were either AGREEING with each other- or speaking vapid inane nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And WHO WERE the speakers???????????????????
A debate between a LIE-beral, an NDPer and a Green WOULD PRODUCE the kind of debate you describe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing but a polite REHASH of previously agreed upon principles by fellow travellers and useful IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is only when honest facts that wreck the LIE-beral position intrude that the debate heats up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, you're claiming that the cruise ship facilities bring in no money? Because that's what "totally worthless" means.
According to World Travel and Tourism Council, tourism's direct contribution to GDP in Canada was $US 26.7 billion, and total contribution to Canada was $US 96.3 billion.
Sounds like a lot of "worth" to me.
Certainly the cruise industry is a huge boost to our economy , YVR is seeing more and more passengers yearly and with that comes an environmental cost which is conveniently left out of the equation when promoting clean green tourism .I am not against tourism but it is somewhat hypocritical.
POOR stupid Tecumsehbonesforbrains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still spewing his LIE-beral propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOBODY MINDS RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What we OBJECT TO is research that clearly demonstrates that a product is a DEAD END - but LIE-berals go ahead with it FOR GREEDY POLITICAL REASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wind and solar power PROVED themselves to be COSTLY FAILURE- simply because of the MASSIVE ONGOING SUBSIDIES needed to kick start the so called industry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Govt BRIBERY on a massive scale does not create a new industry- it only kills off old industries- as Ontari-owe job losses have proven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even worse- there is no reason to believe that wind and solar power will ever be useful until and unless some effective way of cheaply storing power is discovered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ugly reality is there are other ways of saving the environment WITHOUT all that LIE-beral bribery- sadly LIE-berals DO NOT WANT to employ other solutions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consider the MESS LIE-berals made in converting a coal plant to burn bio solids:::::::::
LIE-berals are tinkering with our electrical system yet again. They are working hard to turn our electrical system into a giant slush fund they can dip into as necessary to BUY VOTES.
LIE-berals cannot get elected unless they BUY plenty of civil service Working Family Hog votes! This means throwing LOTS of gravy at them-more every year. By 2018 LIE-berals will owe the Hogs in Ontari-owe something like THREE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS in deferred pension payments-and this does NOT cover what LIE-berals have promised to federal and municipal Hogs! We didn’t have the money when LIE-berals made the promises and bought the votes and we don’t have it now-but LIE-berals will do what they can to keep their special union supporters happy even as the rest of us freeze in the dark!
LIE-berals will owe OSSTF-high school teachers close to 55 Billion dollars for pension payments by 2018 and they owe the very much smaller power workers union a mere half billion for pensions-right now- but it all adds up-NINETEEN separate unions at the provincial level alone and they ALL have their hands out! So electricity costs (AND TAXES) go up to keep Hogs happy and LIE-berals in power and to hell with the country!
Of course it would be easier to keep electricity costs down if LIE-berals did not do the sort of crap described below:
The latest electrical mess that LIE-berals and their Toronto (Red) Star newspaper allies wants swept under the rug involves the conversion of a generating station in Thunder Bay from burning coal to burning `bio-mass`-that means pellets made from flammable waste products-meaning garbage/paper/wood sawdust and etc.
One would think that Lie-berals might have learned from the gas plant mess in Oakville but no-Lie-berals saved 2 seats in Oakville by scrapping the 2 gas plants at a cost OVER one billion dollars. And now we have Lie-berals spending enormous sums to convert the Thunder Bay generating plant to burn bio-mass and SAVE SIXTY UNION hydro worker jobs.....AND ALSO save 2 seats for Lie-berals in the area as well!
Its just too bad for tax payers that there is NO Cdn source for biomass fuel! ALL fuel for the newly converted plant MUST be shipped in from Europe! And Red Star media whores want to tell us it’s a great deal for the environment and for tax payers! Apparently Red Star does not believe there are any tax payers out there who do not belong to Lie-beral party or civil service unions! The pellets get shipped across 3000 MILES of ocean, then another 1000 miles up St Lawrence to Lake Superior and then its run in trucks to the generating plant. And the carbon footprint of all that shipping is HUGE!
And the COST to operate that biomass plant and produce that electricity is TWENTY FIVE TIMES HIGHER than any other form of generation in Ontari-owe! But hey-what price are Lie-berals NOT willing to pay (with OUR money) just so long as their civil service union Hogs are happy and keep voting Lie-beral?
And should we ask if Lie-berals did any comparison shopping before launching themselves into this mess? We might ask how much pollution would be produced if we kept on burning coal-but also put the best and latest models of air scrubbers on the chimneys? And then compared that result to the carbon footprint needed to collect all that biomass in European garbage trucks and haul it to a treatment plant and form it into pellets and then SHIP it to a sea port and load it on a ship for that 4000 MILE boat ride to Thunder Bay-and then off load it to trucks to be hauled to the generator- there to be BURNED for electricity generation,
Ontari-owe citizens don’t like incinerators as they spew out all manner of nasty stuff and isn’t the Thunder Bay biomass generator a fancy sort of incinerator-with a HUGE carbon trail stretching back to Europe? Did Lie-berals do ANY comparisons regarding the relative carbon footprints of various fuels? Apparently NOT! But they DID count union VOTES VERY CAREFULLY!
And did LIE-berals ever consider that they might be able to ship our natural gas from the prairies to Thunder Bay a LOT CHEAPER than buying crap from Europe? A one thousand mile pipeline from Saskatchewan versus a 4000 mile ship ride plus a horde of trucks running at each end to load and unload costly European pellets?
But building the pipeline would be time consuming even if it might be better for the environment in the long run -and of course civil service Hogs NEED JOBS NOW! LIE-berals cannot win votes by laying off Hogs till a pipe line is built! And was it not Ontari-owe LIE-berals that recently backed away from their plans to cut us off from heating our homes with natural gas and instead force us to use WAY MORE electricity? With LIE-berals collecting a nice little windfall profit!
Natural gas apparently is not good for us in our homes being used in modern furnaces with a heat recovery rate of about 95 percent but it IS good for LIE-beral electrical generation plants where over 30 percent of the heat energy is wasted going up the chimney? Unless of course Hog jobs are on the line and then its “full speed ahead with biomass and screw the environment and tax payer too?
And Red Star does not want to discuss the reality that electricity from the newly converted biomass plant costs TWENTY FIVE TIMES MORE than any other generating method! Media whores will sneer at Ontari-owe auditor general Bonnie Lysyk and will repeat the slurs of our Lie-beral energy minister that she is not intelligent enough to comment on the electrical generation file.....except that slur raises MORE questions that Red Star does not want to discuss!
Lie-berals PICKED Lysyk as their auditor-hired her away from Manitoba Hydro where she had been auditor in chief for ten years. Did Lie-berals not do their homework-yet again-and simply not realize she COULD comment intelligently on electrical generating issues? Or did they assume she was too dumb to find the skeletons buried in shallow graves in the Lie-beral electrical closet? Or did they assume they could muzzle her so that any skeletons she did find would not see the light of day?
And isnt it handy that Red Star and Lie-berals will so often sneer at their chosen but “inadequately informed” auditor but WONT speak at all about the truths she has exposed! Media whores ALLEGE almost daily that Lie-beral green energy is saving our environment-without the bother of producing any real facts. Yet at the same time they bury or IGNORE real facts about the green energy mess Lie-berals are making of our province! Would you like a LARGE slice of hypocrisy with your costly electricity?
If, as Lie-berals assert, that Lysyk is incompetent to study hydro books then why don’t they fire her? Or are they more likely afraid of the wrongful dismissal suit Lysyk would launch, and the public display of dirty Lie-beral laundry that would result ?
And there is the further question of why Lie-berals sold a portion of Ontari-owe Power generation and in the process BLOCK any access (now and into the future) to Hydro books by any public auditor. What are they trying to hide? And given the criminal behaviour and massive WASTE of public dollars in the gas plant messes, ORNGE, E-health and MARS, one has to assume the Lie-berals will have LOTS TO HIDE, once their bio-mess and hydro sales disasters are fully implemented!
Red Star whores tell us Lie-berals are looking for a local bio-mass fuel supply-I guess that means some Lie-beral `friend` will get a solid gold deal to make that fuel for Lie-berals...and just like the MARS building and the entire green energy mess, you have to ask how much it will cost to produce local bio-mess fuel? Will we get completely screwed with 30 times higher generation cost? Or will Lie-berals give us a break with ONLY 22 times higher generation costs?
Lie-berals and their media whore allies seem to think Ontari-owe is some weird sort of mushroom farm and that we all ought to be fed fresh ripe bullshit on a regular basis! And Red Star is aiding and abetting this shameless robbery!