Why doesn't the rest of the band support hereditary chiefs and vote them into the ruling band council? Should be a no brainer if they are truly the ruling class Cliffy
trudeau doesnt give a **** about indigeneous peoples rights
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Most bands and reservations are not much different than most communities, you have the makers and takers . If the takers out number the makers the takers form council , and vice versa . As well in most smaller tribes any one can trace their heritage back to past chiefs , therefore every member is a hereditary chief . Rarely is any idea given 100% support , hence nothing will ever be implemented if hereditary chiefs can stop any program .
Are Haidi chiefships actually hereditary? And what are the limits of their powers?
I ask because I really don't know. But, just shooting from the hip, I do know that with most North American nations, chiefship is not kingship. It is neither hereditary nor all-powerful.
Again, I don't know and would love some clarification on the Haida, but it seems to me as if Cliffy is imposing European concepts where they don't belong.
I ask because I really don't know. But, just shooting from the hip, I do know that with most North American nations, chiefship is not kingship. It is neither hereditary nor all-powerful.
Again, I don't know and would love some clarification on the Haida, but it seems to me as if Cliffy is imposing European concepts where they don't belong.
The Haida are a different kettle of fish . They occupy the Queen Charlotte Islands and parts of S.W.Alaska . Their language and culture is not the same as other northern natives . The Natives in this particular dispute are different tribes but the rest of your post holds true .
When Indigenous Assert Rights, Canada Sends Militarized Police
It’s become routine, but ignores latest law on rights and title, say experts.
The use of heavily armed RCMP to enforce a court injunction and tear down an Indigenous blockade against TransCanada’s Coastal GasLink pipeline in northwestern British Columbia last week was part of a familiar pattern, say criminologists.
“It seems like Canada uses a show of force and police repression whenever it wants to contain First Nations exercising their aboriginal rights and title,” said Shiri Pasternak, a criminologist at Ryerson University and director of the Yellowhead Institute, a research centre focused on First Nations land and governance issues.
“Canada is creating the problem by refusing to recognize what its own courts are saying about aboriginal rights and title,” added Pasternak.
Over the last decade rulings by the Supreme Court of Canada and lower courts have established that Canadian governments have a duty to consult and accommodate Indigenous people before resources are extracted from their land, and that in many cases their land and title rights have not been extinguished.
More: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/01/17/Indigenous-Rights-Canada-Militarized-Police
It’s become routine, but ignores latest law on rights and title, say experts.
The use of heavily armed RCMP to enforce a court injunction and tear down an Indigenous blockade against TransCanada’s Coastal GasLink pipeline in northwestern British Columbia last week was part of a familiar pattern, say criminologists.
“It seems like Canada uses a show of force and police repression whenever it wants to contain First Nations exercising their aboriginal rights and title,” said Shiri Pasternak, a criminologist at Ryerson University and director of the Yellowhead Institute, a research centre focused on First Nations land and governance issues.
“Canada is creating the problem by refusing to recognize what its own courts are saying about aboriginal rights and title,” added Pasternak.
Over the last decade rulings by the Supreme Court of Canada and lower courts have established that Canadian governments have a duty to consult and accommodate Indigenous people before resources are extracted from their land, and that in many cases their land and title rights have not been extinguished.
More: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2019/01/17/Indigenous-Rights-Canada-Militarized-Police
Except for two things the biased article misses
1) An agreement was signed
2) The resources don't come from their lands, it's a pipeline not an oil well
1) An agreement was signed
2) The resources don't come from their lands, it's a pipeline not an oil well
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What Moose SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hereditary chiefs HAVE NO OFFICIAL POWER OR AUTHORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hereditary chiefs ARE GOING AGAINST PUBLIC OPINION since they are trying to KILL DEALS that were voted on and signed by the majority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The hereditary chiefs are offering THE OPPOSITE OF DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And is it not wildly FUNNY that bigoted natives claim negotiation cannot be done in front of guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So WHY DONT NATIVE HYPOCRITES PUT DOWN THEIR GUNS AND RESPECT DEMOCRACY????????????
The agreement was signed by elected chiefs who have no authority off the rez. When the pipeline leaks, and it will, then it will impact their land.
Haida follow the same standards for selecting a chief as any other native band- you need to get ELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In ancient times this was not a big deal.......................If a person did not like the choices of the main band then one went someplace else!!!!!!!!!!!
Problem is the world is NOW FULL of bands and there is no new place to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For that reason natives are under the same legal obligation to follow the will of the MAJORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COOPERATION and rule of law that is REQUIRED of ALL Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hereditary chiefs get much the same sort of attention that the children of former politicians get- by virtue of a famous name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But hereditary chiefs have no power - they are merely the descendants of people who were chiefs at the time treaties were signed!!!!!
Hereditary chiefs are citizens like any other..................................even though Cliffy wants to dispute this- his arguments are FATALLY FLAWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for B.C. natives and the pipeline across their lands- firstly- it is ACCEPTED in all democratic countries that sometimes the govt can take action that locals dont like- such as expropriating land for pipelines - AS LONG AS THEY PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And there is the heart of the matter- the deal was voted on and the price agreed and now a few loudmouths calling themselves hereditary chiefs do not accept democracy!!!!!!!
It is nothing more than BLACKMAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the fact that many native groups HAVE OVERLAPPING LAND CLAIMS- as in - your native band cannot have it because it is claimed by OUR native band- just makes further MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Throw in the LIE-beral machinations that dictate that only two land claims may be discussed at any one time and you have TOTAL LEGAL GRIDLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that suits LIE-berals just fine as it STALLS the day of DOOM when LIE-berals must either build the pipeline or admit they are prepared to BANKRUPT ALBERTA for the sake of buying some native votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is also possible that LIE-berals have read the polls and tea leaves and agree with me that the best they can hope for in the October 2019 election is a Minority Govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if we get a minority govt then LIE-berals may blame others if the pipeline gets built!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Currently LIE-berals are quietly snickering as LIE-beral hating Alberta citizens fret over oil going unsold and the anti Ottawa province sinks deeper into debt and unemployment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Back in 2015 - prior to the election- Our idiot Boy told us he intended to SHUT DOWN the entire Cdn oil patch and he is LIVING UP TO THAT PROMISE as best he can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In order for there to be Crown Land, it would have had to be ceded by treaty or purchased by the Crown. Most of the province is unceded and therefor not Crown Land.
"The Royal Proclamation of 1763 was issued by King George III on October 7, 1763."
"The Royal Proclamation of 1763 was issued by King George III on October 7, 1763."
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POOR STUPID CLIFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He repeatedly demonstrates what a POOR JOB LIE-berals have done to NOT EDUCATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He whines that hereditary chiefs have no power off the reservation- and that is TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But STUPID CLIFFY PRETENDS that hereditary chiefs DO HAVE POWER on reserves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CLIFFY LIES when he PRETENDS that hereditary chiefs have any more power than any other NON ELECTED member of the reserve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CLIFFY ALSO STUPIDLY spouts nonsense about Crown Land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor Cliffy- he does not understand that you CANNOT CLAIM that which you NEVER CONTROLLED in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Much of Canada is divided up into over lapping zones of partial control by natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the only LARGE TRACTS of un-ceded land are in places where white men DONT WANT TO LIVE or build!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James Bay Crees in Labrador are the only tribe NOT to have signed ANY sort of treaty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOBODY- not even Crees want to live in the interior of Labrador!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A quick look at a map reveals virtually ALL the towns in sight of a sea coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is ONE REASON why the GREAT WHALE hydro electric project - the expansion of James Bay project has not gone forward- no need to pay heavily to Crees at this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All other tribes have been roped into treaties under various deals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And of course what CLIFFY is frantically trying to DENY is the ancient right of DEMOCRATIC govt to expropriate land AND PAY as necessary for projects of "national importance"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The CRAP CLIFFY SPOUTS is the product of a fevered imagination coupled with LIE-beral propaganda that has persuaded him he CAN HAVE a wilderness kingdom - with white men`s BENEFITS - if only he can spew FAKE NEWS FASTER THAN ANY LIE-beral!!!
AND THAT AINT HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cliffy just isnt a big enough BULLSH+TER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wrong precedent to use Cliffy only recognizes hunting rights on non ceded lands Not their land just hunting rights like the rest of the Crown lands.
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Also Cliffy treaties were signed in BC only the FN's want to renegotiate them individually Treaty 8 for the Mainland Douglas treaty for Vancouver Island
OHHHHHHHHH CLIFFY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE REALLY FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You point out that govt "must negotiate with natives where their rights are affected"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WELL SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOBODY IS DEBATING THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But the LIE-beral devil is in the details!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: are natives ALLOWED legally to bring the ENTIRE country to a dead stop unless they get exactly what they want -in the loathsome fashion of spoiled and greedy children????????????????
Cdns say NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: are natives allowed to vote on a deal- and have the majority agree with the deal- only to have a radical MINORITY DERAIL that deal????????????????
Cdns and a majority of natives say NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: do Cdns and natives all agree that native protestors will melt away like snow in July- if govt throws enough money at them?
Cdns and natives say YES to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: are LIE-berals ENCOURAGING the idiot behaviour of a radical minority by dangling gobs of gravy in front of natives- in exchange for votes???????????
Most Cdns say YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: are LIE-berals honouring their MANY promises??????????????????????
Many Cdns and natives say NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: are natives being CONSULTED about the pipelines????????????????????
Cdn courts SAY YES- but there should be EVEN MORE CONSULTATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: what form should the added "consultation" take???????????????????????
Disgusted Cdns and many natives believe that "consultation" is a LIE-beral euphemism for "GIVE IN TO BLACKMAIL BY RADICALS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: will surrendering to black mailers this time around buy permanent peace with radicals or will it simply encourage them to make MORE IDIOT DEMANDS IN FUTURE???????????????????????
Most Cdns believe surrendering to blackmail WILL ONLY WORSEN THE RADICAL BEHAVIOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: do most Cdns believe that radical natives have a VERY SELECTIVE AND BIGOTED interpretation of their place in Canada and of their civil rights???????????????????????????????
Yes- a loud mouth radical minority of natives demonstrate that they will never be happy unless they get the chance to regularly insult and abuse and BLACKMAIL white people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question: can there ever be any reconciliation between natives and the general population as long as radical natives define themselves as a "sovereign nation"?
Cdns say NO- like it or not- natives ARE CDN citizens and the radicals need to accept this!
Question: can a "sovereign nation" really exist as sovereign if its roads, power supplies, housing, educational needs, food and medicine are all being supplied by a "foreign country" - which is how radical natives view Canada?????????????????????
Cdns think the views of radical natives are so ridiculous that we are prepared to let the radicals ROT in their isolated forest realms until such time as they choose to relate to the rest of us in some sensible fashion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are a radical native and enjoy drug dealing, drunken violence, unemployment. third world housing and social despair then by all means continue trying to insult and blackmail the Cdns that are supplying virtually ALL your needs from cradle to grave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!