trudeau doesnt give a **** about indigeneous peoples rights

taxslave

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No question some are the result of mismanagement, but on the more isolated reserves it's usually a case of lack of funds. When you get up into the far north of Ontario and into the NWT, even the basics are ridiculously expensive. That includes the fuel they absolutely need for heating, light and cooking. Except for the few weeks of winter when the winter roads are open, pretty much all of their supplies and goods are flown in on small aircraft, unless they're lucky enough to live near a deep water port. And even then they might see 2-4 ships in a year.
And unlike reserves that have a permanent road/highway connection, the isolated reserves have little to no business or light industry because there's no way to sell their goods and/or services to the outside world.
Which means they have no need to be there unless someone other than the taxpayer feels like supporting them.
 

spilledthebeer

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Which means they have no need to be there unless someone other than the taxpayer feels like supporting them.




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AS Twin Moose has pointed out- native complaints ALWAYS END right after LIE-berals throw money at them!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is why LIE-berals have decided that there "has not been enough consultation with natives" over the Kinder Morgan pipeline!!!!!!!!!!


TRANSLATION: Natives want MORE GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The word "blackmail" applies- and LIE-berals are IN ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The 2019 election is not looking good for LIE-beral losers and they CANNOT AFFORD to lose more votes so they will serve up GOOD GRAVY to native blackmailers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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What, you don't think it's hard to store a canoe in Ottawa? What the hell do you know, whatever-the-insulting-term-for-a-person-in-New-Brunswick-is?


Herring choker.


lol


Once, in a bar in BC, a long time ago, a drunk approached my (rather attractive) wife and insisted "You're a cherry hooker"


She was looking at me in consternation because I was not interfering, I was laughing too hard.


I knew what he meant......she didn't. :)


Funny, the guy was sober enough to pick up on her accent, but too damn drunk to get the words out correctly......
 

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Herring choker.
lol
Once, in a bar in BC, a long time ago, a drunk approached my (rather attractive) wife and insisted "You're a cherry hooker"
She was looking at me in consternation because I was not interfering, I was laughing too hard.
I knew what he meant......she didn't. :)
Funny, the guy was sober enough to pick up on her accent, but too damn drunk to get the words out correctly......
One would think that a cherry hooker wouldn't be one for long.

Drunks can be fun.

Hope yourself and herself are doing well as the year declines. The view in late Sep-early Oct on Hwy 2 across NB is perhaps the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. If you haven't done it in the last few years, do it again. Drive to Moncton, stay overnight, then drive back. It'll re-awaken your love of the Great Maple Striptease.
 

petros

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You're a "leafer" are ya? I agree, NB has some stunning scenery and good people eager to ensure a memorable journey.
 

Colpy

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One would think that a cherry hooker wouldn't be one for long.

Drunks can be fun.

Hope yourself and herself are doing well as the year declines. The view in late Sep-early Oct on Hwy 2 across NB is perhaps the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. If you haven't done it in the last few years, do it again. Drive to Moncton, stay overnight, then drive back. It'll re-awaken your love of the Great Maple Striptease.


Yep, just in full colour now. I hunt grouse from my camp on the LePreau river. Driving down the narrow dirt road is like diving into a colour palette ranging from brilliant yellow to deepest red, with greens from the spruce and fir, and even some deep purples.....absolutely stunning.


Funny how the older you get, the more you appreciate natural beauty.
 

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If trudeau didn't give a **** about indigeneous peoples rights he would be hero to these white nattys
 

bill barilko

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Yep, just in full colour now.... brilliant yellow to deepest red, with greens from the spruce and fir, and even some deep purples.....absolutely stunning....
With unusual dry fall conditions we're seeing some of the same here in SW BC-even Purple which is a rare colour here at the best of times.
 

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If trudeau didn't give a **** about indigeneous peoples rights he would be hero to these white nattys


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Poor Hoid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He cannot sell his electric Toy cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And he cannot sell the concept that Our idiot Boy actually cares about native "rights"!


Our idiot Boy Justin has washed his hands of ANY ATTEMPT to deal with native issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He is prepared to leave them to stew in their own messes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here is an article commenting on the messed up lives of Cdn natives- and exposing WHY it is that natives should not look to LIE-berals for aid! With some comments of my own in brackets):

The Great Game’ that betrays Canada’s First Nations

By Gordon Chong. First posted: Saturday, July 22, 2017 09:02 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, July 22, 2017 09:13 PM EDT

Moving forward on aboriginal issues. Aboriginal affairs: Is it all just ‘a bloody farce’?

Too many of Canada’s reserves are plagued with unemployment, alcoholism, suicide, drug addiction, low income, substandard housing and issues with crime and unsafe water.

(WOW! Chong makes a sweeping statement that denies logic and reality! Natives are under employed because they see getting an education as “selling out to white men”. In a country where over 75 percent of jobs require post secondary education, only 25 percent of natives actually graduate from high school. Add in the reality of isolation from the outside world and no wonder there are few jobs for unskilled and too often belligerent natives!)

(And natives live in substandard housing because of THEIR behaviour. Govt ships them GOOD QUALITY pre fab houses- complete with waterproof siding- exactly the kind of housing many other Cdns live in comfortably and yet natives live in “tar paper shacks”! Watch the news media- lots of native houses are pictured with the chipboard sub structure- the NOT WATERPROOF sheathing- out in the rain and snow- SO WHERE is the waterproof siding that would GREATLY extend the service life of these houses? Has it been sold for beer or drugs? One news media report says a 24 case of beer costs $125.00 Cdn after being flown into a certain reserve so we may guess what happened to tbe badly needed waterproof siding?)

(IN other news-CBC tells us a “boil water advisory” has been lifted from three reserves out west- AFTER one of the local kids graduated from high school and then went to college to learn how to operate the water purification machinery that has stood IDLE for over twenty years- just waiting for somebody who knows how to turn it on! A typical isolated reserve is such a pest hole that educated people generally do not wish to live or work there- at any price!)

(In other news- LIE-berals prove they do not give a S++T about natives! If they saw natives as anything other than a batch of stupid voters to be bought then LIE-berals would NOT have canned the Conservative mandated obligation of native govts to post their expenses ONLINE so auditors can see at a glance if band councils are spending responsibly! Such an obligation would limit the ability of corrupt band councils to waste money on trips to the Carribean, on fancy cars, on wild salaries, on trips to the casino etc.....and would ensure that all tax money was used honestly for the benefit of the entire band! But LIE-berals see no benefit in eliminating endemic corruption!)

The chosen antidote to these intolerable and chronic issues has, in part, been growing government intervention and an increasing reliance on Aboriginal traditional knowledge.

(IN other news, Aboriginal Knowledge has UTTERLY FAILED to deal with modern technology! Consider the case of a Manitoba native family of ten- living in a house full of sewage- either they clogged to sewer pipe and it froze and ruptured, or the builders of the house failed to insulate the sewer pipe properly where it passes through the floor into the crawl space under the house and then connects to the septic system. In any case the sewer pipe froze and ruptured and now every time a toilet is flushed or somebody has a shower- ALL the waste water pools under the house- with disgusting results!)

(A native house full of sewage demonstrates sheer stupidity! If it already reeks then WHY add to it? Why not take a pail into the bushes and do your deed AWAY from the house so you can eat dinner without gagging on the reek from the mess under your floor? Why not have your shower at the local rec centre while you wait for spring and for the mess under the floor to dry up? And once its dry then shouldn’t somebody crawl under the place- maybe on a sheet of plastic so as not to get FILTHY while working to PATCH the old pipe? But aboriginal “Knowledge does not cover patching ABS pipe so it cannot be done? And apparently the average reserve is such a pest hole that the only place to get ABS pipe patching equipment is an airplane flight away in some white town? No wonder natives drink? Stupidity is a bad business?)

To any reasonable observer, neither is working particularly well.

In a 2008 book that received too little attention, Professor Frances Widdowson (a Metis and faculty member at Mount Royal College in Alberta) and her husband, Albert Howard, who has worked as a consultant for government and native groups, offer a compelling, if not troubling, argument for the perpetual woes afflicting Canada’s reserves.

In Disrobing the Aboriginal Industry — The Deception behind Indigenous Cultural Preservation, Widdowson and Howard meticulously expose the new “Aboriginal Industry,” an increasingly powerful “amalgamation of lawyers, consultants, anthropologists, linguists, accountants and other occupations that thrive on aboriginal dependency.”

(These are the sort of people that some Toronto Sun writers refer to as “pverty pimps”!)

In short, there are a lot of people who make a lot of money from the misery of the ordinary people living on reserves. This legion of interdependent freeloaders is, for the most part, hidden from public scrutiny. They operate behind closed doors, unless they are in court.

(In other words it is typical LIE-beral style business as usual! Any bad thing that happens as a result of LIE-beral policy is ALWAYS- so LIE-berals insust- a one off accident- such mistakes are NEVER admitted to be part of an obvious pattern of LIE-beral failures! LIE-berals accuse anybody who contradicts their position of being racist!)

Even then, they use atavistic arguments to justify present day policies that perpetuate poverty and dependency in Aboriginal communities, ad infinitum, at a cost of approximately $8 billion annually.

So much so that “The activities of the Aboriginal Industry, in fact, are cynically referred to in bureaucratic circles as ‘The Great Game,’” the authors write, a characterization that’s broadly present in government.

The most direct and caustic criticism in the book came from David Crombie, a former Toronto mayor and former minister of Indian and Indigenous affairs between 1984 and 1986.

Crombie, a Progressive Conservative, who is still frequently asked to take on leadership roles, is not known to have a short fuse. However, he exploded in a scathing condemnation of the despicably venal “Great Game”.

Hardly naive, like Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien before him, Crombie nevertheless “thought he could transform aboriginal policy during his tenure in the department.”

This is some of what the usually restrained, Crombie said, quoted on page 20 of Disrobing the Aboriginal Industry.

“You get a whole bunch of obfuscation, meeting after meeting, word games, magic shows of all kinds. And that’s why so much of Indian Affairs is a convoluted process of negotiation, meeting, consultations. … There is a consultation industry, and that means work for politicians, lawyers. It means money for Indians. It means everything but getting on with the task at hand.”

The juggernaut that is the Aboriginal Rights Movement is now in ascendency and its objective is to remain largely segregated from mainstream society, even if it means its constituents — the often powerless community members who are not connected to the leaders by kinship or other ties — continue to live in abject poverty, with little education.

“They reveal the arrogance of many Aboriginal leaders who reject financial accountability for public funding, trivialize spousal and child sexual abuse, and defend their personal and kinship privileges,” Widdowson and Howard wrote.

(The TRULY UGLY reality is that if you erase the name “Aboriginal Rights Movement” and replace it with “Black Libes Matter” then you will have EXACTLY the same level and style of condemnation! LIE-beral multicutural policy is an utter failure!Even worse, LIE-beral;s are now setting up the same Reserve style ghetto for the Muslim refugees they have brought here. After a year- about 90 percent of govt sponsored Muslims are still un-employed! LIE-berals are creating a social and cultural disaster with their policies!)

There are many legitimate issues facing First Nations communities today that will require a firm and consistent political will to resolve.

The incarceration rate of Indigenous people is a national shame and youth suicide on reserves a national crisis.

(Sun writer Bonikowski wrote an article a decade back explaining that in any legal case where there was a choice of a fine or of jail time- natives were far more likely than white people to chose jail time!)

Decades of federal efforts, not to mention billions of taxpayers’ dollars, have done shockingly little to address these and other fundamental challenges facing average Indigenous people living on — and off — reserves.

So too with traditional measures, the diversion court system, and prayers.

(Sun writer onikowski also wrote about 2 burglars- one white and one native- and both got caught with the white guy doing 30 months in jail and the native being shipped back to his reserve for a “healing ceremony” in a sweat lodge! And natives want to whine about being treated unfairly? HAHAHAHA! All this is to illustrate that the LIE-beral hug a thug approach to crime has been a complete failure!)

Little is likely to change as long as Canadian governments and some First Nations leaders continue to prop up an Aboriginal industry that feeds on the misery of average people, instead of helping them.

(Oh....Cdn govts are ALL at fault? WRONG! Conservative govt of Harper had solid rules in place that would have brought some sanity to native life on reserves by eliminating the endemic corruption that is too often part of reserve life! Too bad LIE-berals gutted that legislation to placate POVERTY PIMPS!)
 

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Here we go because the Supreme court didn't rule in favour of the FN, now we need more FN rep. on the Supreme court.

Supreme Court ruling shows need for more Indigenous Parliamentarians and judges, says lawyer

Following a Supreme Court ruling that there is no duty to consult Indigenous Peoples in drafting legislation, some officials say more Inuit, Métis and First Nations representation is needed on Parliament Hill.
"Because there isn't the proper representation within the House of Commons and within the Senate, Indigenous people can point to a lack of consultation," said Métis lawyer and historian Bruce McIvor, of First Peoples Law Corporation.
"Whether it's a legal obligation or not, it will simply lead to more challenges down the road. It's going to create bad laws that Indigenous people will have to challenge on a piecemeal basis and that's not good for anyone."
McIvor said the appointment of three Indigenous senators this month is a positive step but more representation is needed.
"At the end of the day, they're a few voices calling out loud and strong surrounded by hundreds," he said.
"They're swimming against the tide because there are systems in place which do not recognise the reality of Indigenous rights."
To date, there have been 45 appointments to the Senate by the Trudeau government — eight of the appointees identify as Indigenous.
McIvor said he believes the ruling against the Mikisew Cree First Nation could lead to more Indigenous groups heading to court to challenge legislation, and so there should be also more Indigenous judges.
"What did the [Mikisew Cree] see when they were at the Supreme Court of Canada?" said McIvor.
"Nine non-Indigenous justices. It's all too common, and it's a systemic problem."

Indigenous representatives on Parliament Hill
Canada publishes few statistics on judiciaries, but information from the Office of the Commissioner for Federal Judicial Affairs, which manages the appointments of judges to Canada's superior courts, said between October 2016 and October 2017, nearly 1,000 people applied to be judges and 36 of them identified as Indigenous. Of the 74 candidates that were appointed, three were Indigenous.
Other data suggest that among Federal Court judges, 2.4 per cent of them identify as Indigenous, and there are no known Indigenous Supreme Court justices.
According the Parliamentary Library, 10.5 per cent, or 11 of the 105 seats in the Senate, are held by Indigenous people.
In the House of Commons, there are 11 Indigenous members of Parliament among 388 total seats, or 3.25 per cent.
The most recent census by Statistics Canada found that there were 1,673,785 First Nations, Inuit and Métis individuals in Canada in 2016 — just under five per cent of Canada's total population.

'More work to be done'

Recent Senate appointee Patti LaBoucane-Benson, who had been director of Research, Training, and Communication at Native Counselling Services of Alberta, began her senatorial duties Monday. She called the appointment a "tremendous honour."
"I think there's definitely more work to be done around Indigenous representation in the Government of Canada," she said.
"I think Indigenous Peoples need to be encouraged and supported to run as elected officials."
LaBoucane-Benson said as well as bringing up Indigenous perspectives from within, she thinks more Indigenous voices in Parliament would improve nation-to-nation dealings with Indigenous leaders.

Mikisew ruling not a barrier, says Saganash
Romeo Saganash, NDP MP for Abitibi-Baie-James-Nunavik-Eeyou, said he'll be glad to hear more Indigenous voices in Parliament, even if they're "across the hall" in the Senate.
Saganash made headlines for the language he used in criticizing the Liberal government's handling of Indigenous consultations related to the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.
He said that, especially as part of the opposition, he sometimes feels isolated as an Indigenous MP. He said that makes it even more important for him to speak out.
He added he's confident that the Mikisew ruling won't be a barrier for Indigenous Peoples.
"Parliament is presumed to adopt legislation in keeping with its international obligations, and that certainly includes the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples," he said.
"All that remains intact, in my view."
Saganash said indicators like the 2015 election, which saw a record number of Indigenous candidates, show that Indigenous Peoples are recognizing that they can effect change in Canadian policy. He said he thinks getting them into office is the next step.

'We are part of this system whether we like it or not'

Saskatchewan Senator Lillian Dyck, of Gordon First Nation, said she thinks the number of elected Indigenous officials in Canada is at least proportionate. Since Indigenous Peoples are a minority, she said, the base of Indigenous candidates and voters is smaller, she said.
"I'm assuming [an] Indigenous candidate will focus on Indigenous issues," she said.
"In some areas of the country, maybe Indigenous issues aren't as important. The fact is there aren't that many Indigenous Peoples in Canada ... you don't have the numbers to get the number of elected positions."
Dyck said while she believes the Senate and House of Commons to be sufficiently accessible for Indigenous Peoples, factors like the requirement for Supreme Court judges to be bilingual — speaking both English and French — are barriers.
"If you have a group that historically, is not going to be French-speaking, and you make that a requirement to be a Supreme Court judge, that's an example of systemic discrimination," she said.
Dyck said the Supreme Court's ruling in the Mikisew case makes it clear to her that the more Indigenous voices in Ottawa, the better.
"We are part of this system whether we like it or not," she said.
"The courts see Parliament as having supreme power.... Nothing's going to change unless you get in there and take some action."
 

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If trudeau didn't give a **** about indigeneous peoples rights he would be hero to these white nattys
Pretty funny, if he doesn't give a fuk about Indians then he doesn't give a fuk about whites either. His loyalty is to the bankers just like every other politician in power in any NATO country and any countries they control
 

spilledthebeer

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Pretty funny, if he doesn't give a fuk about Indians then he doesn't give a fuk about whites either. His loyalty is to the bankers just like every other politician in power in any NATO country and any countries they control






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Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As usual only a limited amount of reality is filtering through your tin foil hat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy Justin is ONLY LOYAL to whatever will firs tget him power and second- allow him to KEEP that power!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is NOT LOYAL to bankers- in spite of having sold us to them with his insane deficit financing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The truth is that Our idiot Boy has so little loyalty to banker that he is prepared to SCREW THEM by running up debts until we default and cannot pay any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy plans to spend till the bankers get mad and cut up his govt credit cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then Our idiot Boy will refuse to PAY those debts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Too bad bankers have seen this trick before.......most recently in Greece!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So look for Cdn LIE-berals to hit the debt wall HARD one day soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Yep, just in full colour now. I hunt grouse from my camp on the LePreau river. Driving down the narrow dirt road is like diving into a colour palette ranging from brilliant yellow to deepest red, with greens from the spruce and fir, and even some deep purples.....absolutely stunning.


Funny how the older you get, the more you appreciate natural beauty.


Though I'm pretty sure this rain sucks moose danglies there as much as it does down this way.