Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

Not TMPL this could take down the NDP Gov. in BC

2 of 5 investors grant final approval for $40B LNG Canada project

Two of the five primary investors in a proposed liquefied natural gas project in northern B.C. granted their final approval Friday for the development, bringing Canada's first major LNG project one step closer to becoming a reality.
PetroChina and Kogas, of South Korea, have both announced their readiness to move forward with the $40-billion investment led by the joint venture LNG Canada.
If approved, the project would see the construction of a 640-kilometre pipeline to transport natural gas from Dawson Creek in northeastern B.C. to a brand new processing terminal on the coast in Kitimat, where the gas would be processed into liquid for export to overseas markets.
Kitimat Mayor Phillip Germuth said in an interview he was surprised but happy after hearing about the decision.
"There's more smiles in the community, and everyone is looking forward to what the future might bring," said Germuth.
"We're really looking forward … to being the LNG capital of Canada."
Germuth believes the project will bring economic benefits to Kitimat similar to the construction of the Alcan aluminum smelter built there in the 1950s. Indeed, housing prices in Kitimat are already rising in anticipation of the project's approval.
Signs look positive
Patti Schom-Moffatt, a spokesperson for LNG Canada told CBC News the other three investors in the venture — Malaysia's Petronas, Royal Dutch Shell, and Japan's Mitsubishi Corp. — still need to give their approval for the project to move forward.
But there are signals pointing toward the project being built.
Last week, Houston-based Civeo Corp. was awarded contracts to supply temporary work camps at four locations along the Coastal GasLink pipeline route on the condition that the LNG Canada export terminal is built.
Analysts saw this as a sign that the project is headed toward a positive investment decision.
The CEO of Shell called the project "promising" in the company's second-quarter conference call in July, but said Shell is still studying the project to ensure it is financially competitive and, longer term, carbon competitive, particularly in comparison with opportunities in the Gulf of Mexico.
The chief executive of LNG Canada has previously said the company was committed to starting construction this year.
Meanwhile, Germuth is hoping for a positive decision from the remaining investors soon.
"We're hoping that in the next week or two all of that comes into fruition," Germuth said.

LNG struggling in Canada

There is widespread support from Canada's energy sector for the project.
The LNG industry has struggled to take off in British Columbia, but is booming in the United States, where billions of dollars are being pumped into natural gas pipelines and LNG facilities.
Canadian producers say a positive final investment decision for the Kitimat-based LNG Canada project could eventually encourage others to follow suit, creating the demand needed to soak up Western Canada's glut of natural gas.
But even if investors decide to move forward, the project is not guaranteed.
B.C. Green Party Leader pledged in January to bring down the NDP government if Premier John Horgan pursues the development of the province's LNG industry. A spokesperson for the party said at the time Weaver is concerned about keeping the province within emissions targets.
Since then, Weaver has said he won't vote against it if the government's overall climate plan is satisfactory.

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If the protests get out of control and precedent being set, does JT buy this out as well to get it done Lol

Twin_Moose said:

Good luck with that the Micki Mucks are making things impossible there too

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It doesn't matter to me if it stays in the ground. AB has enough lines that staying warm won't be an issue no matter how cold it gets. Canad give more to the oil companies than anybody, showing we are the stupidest people on the planet is not something I am cheering on. It's like claiming the title for how wide you spread your own ass while being raped.

Aren't you lucky that the Oil companies are supplementing your welfare cheques?

Feds won't appeal pipeline decision

OTTAWA - The federal government will not appeal the court decision that tore up cabinet approval for the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion and is appointing former Supreme Court justice Frank Iacobucci to oversee a new round of consultations with Indigenous communities.
Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi says the government does not intend to start the phase-three Indigenous consultations from the beginning, but will use them to address the weaknesses that led to the Federal Court of Appeal decision in August.
The court found that while the government did spend several months in 2016 meeting with Indigenous communities concerned about the pipeline, those consultations were largely note-taking exercises and the government did not do anything to address the concerns that were raised.
The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion plan to triple capacity of the existing pipeline between Edmonton and Burnaby, B.C., is in limbo while Ottawa attempts to fulfil requirements to consult Indigenous communities and consider the environmental impact the pipeline will have from additional oil tankers off the coast of British Columbia.
Last month, Sohi ordered the National Energy Board to go back and do a better environmental review of the risk of oil spills and the impact on marine life when the number of oil tankers in the Burrard Inlet rises to 35 a month from about five.
Sohi gave the NEB until the end of February to report back on the environmental review, but is not putting a deadline on the Indigenous consultations.
"We believe that meaningful consultation can be undertaken in a focused and efficient manner," he told a news conference today.
"We are not going to put a timeline on these consultations because we feel that it is our duty to faithfully engage with the Indigenous communities to get this right."

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Stupid if you ask me should appeal to get rid of this precedent setting decision

It set no precedent - it merely said that the proper process was not followed.

You cannot approve it without considering the maritime impact.

Let the scientists perform a proper investigation and make a decision based on the findings.

The appeal widened the scope it set new precedent

If we can tap the hydro power of lefty tears and the wind power of right-wing blowhards, we'll be off fossil fuels tomorrow.

Did not widen scope or set any precedent.

Merely said the process wax incomplete.

What are they supposed to appeal?

Twin_Moose said:

Aren't you lucky that the Oil companies are supplementing your welfare cheques?

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Piss you off that there isn't something called. 'a permit to talk', lol. Gas would be $0.12/gal if corporate greed was taken out of the mix. Let's be clear about who is the fuktard here, . . . fuktard.

MHz said:

Piss you off that there isn't something called. 'a permit to talk', lol. Gas would be $0.12/gal if corporate greed was taken out of the mix. Let's be clear about who is the fuktard here, . . . fuktard.

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Don't forget all the taxes to be removed for that $0.12/gallon, and in Alberta not 1 Social program would be financed without the tax, never mind the low income kickback from the Carbon tax you said you enjoy.

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A single adult earning up to $47,500 per year will receive a rebate of $200, and a couple making a maximum combined $95,000 per year will get $300.
Parents that qualify will also get up to $30 per child, to a maximum of four. Rebates will rise in 2018, in tandem with the carbon levy, to $300 for singles, $450 for couples and $45 per child.
Full rebates will go to an estimated 60 per cent of Albertans. Partial rebates go to another six per cent.
The other third – those who make more than $51,250 a year – receive no rebate at all. The rebates are calculated and disbursed based on income tax returns.

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Notley unhappy no appeal on Trans Mountain

EDMONTON - Alberta Premier Rachel Notley says she's not happy with Ottawa's decision to let stand a court decision that has stalled the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.
The federal government has instead appointed former Supreme Court justice Frank Iacobucci to oversee a new round of consultations with Indigenous communities.
Notley says she understands Ottawa's view that this is the best way to break the logjam over the multibillion-dollar project aimed at getting more Alberta oil to tankers on the B.C. coast.
The Federal Court of Appeal put a hold on the expansion in August and said the government needed to assess the project's impact on marine life and further consult with Indigenous groups.
Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi says the government does not intend to start the consultations over again, but will use them to address the weaknesses the court identified.
Notley says the government should keep all options — including an appeal — open.
"Our government does not agree with the decision of the federal government to not pursue an appeal of the original decision," she said Wednesday.
"We understand that pursuing an appeal is a longer-term path towards a solution, and we understand that the path that they are pursuing right now is one that is likely to be more effective and faster.
"Nonetheless, until that path succeeds, as far as I'm concerned their job is to keep all options open."
Notley said she welcomes the renewed consultations, because they need to be done, and understands arbitrary timelines can't be imposed on them — even if that means further delays on resuming construction on the pipeline expansion.
"We expect that there may well be a delay past this summer coming up," said Notley.
"I'd like to see construction resume next year at some point, but at the end of the day we know that the constitutional obligation to consult with Indigenous people is such that it must be defined by the consultations."
Jason Kenney, leader of the Opposition United Conservatives, said Notley has failed to follow up on her promise to hold federal "feet to the fire" and get the court decision appealed.
"What is her response to the federal Liberals? Nada. Nothing," Kenney said in Calgary.
"Albertans should think there's been a failure of political leadership. There's been far too much talk and not nearly enough action."

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Twin_Moose said:

Don't forget all the taxes to be removed for that $0.12/gallon, and in Alberta not 1 Social program would be financed without the tax, never mind the low income kickback from the Carbon tax you said you enjoy.

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Notley unhappy no appeal on Trans Mountain

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THus far- Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals are getting exactly what they want from the pipeline "approval process"!!!!!!!!!





LIE-berals are getting the ENDLESS DELAYS that they desire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have spent $4.7 billion dollars to demonstrate to the oil industry how serious they are about KILLING the Cdn oil patch!!!!!


LIE-berals are deadly serious about making Canada carbon free in a matter of a few years- REGARDLESS of whether there is ANY practical alternatives to oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How big a mess are LIE-berals prepared to make of our lives and our economy?


Just consider the mess made over a simple thing like location of wind turbines- as described below!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here is an article illustrating why Wynne-bag LIE-berals were not fit to govern. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Plan to put wind turbine next to airport 'crazy'! Collingwood council has no say in placement!

By Christina Blizzard, Queen's Park Columnist

First posted: Thursday, March 17, 2016 09:22 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, March 17, 2016 09:23 PM EDT

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If you think flying by the seat of your pants is dangerous, just try flying through a forest of giant wind turbines.

That’s what’s planned for the flight path of Collingwood Regional Airport, and their local MPP is outraged.

The province recently gave wind energy company Wpd Canada approval to build eight 152-metre turbines. One is just 2.1 nautical miles from the end of the runway — just seconds after take-off and seconds before landing.

(LIE-beral lust for grvy is apparently so all consuming they are prepared to risk peoples LIVES rather than admit ANY fault in their mouldy green energy plans!)

Simcoe-Grey MPP Jim Wilson says the turbines were pushed through over the objections of the local council, which has no say over where they’re located.

“People here are in shock,” Wilson said in an interview.

“I get asked on the street, I get asked by councillors, I get asked by people at the airport, ‘Are the government really crazy? Are they really going to do this?’”

The Green Energy Act has taken away all power from local municipalities when it comes to siting turbines.

(And so what if somebody in a malfunctioning small plane gets chopped by a wind turbine while drifting off course! And why worry if that chopped plane then belly flops into your HOUSE?)

“It’s not a matter of ‘if’ someone gets killed, it’s ‘when’ someone gets killed,” said Wilson. He said a flight school at the airport may be forced to close.

(Frankly I think that limiting the number of amateur pilots wandering about taking in the scenery and burning gas for fun would be a good thing for the environment- but using wind turbines to slice and dice the frivolous use of fossil fuel in small planes is NOT the best way to save the environment!)

He’s planning to bring a private member’s bill asking the government to restore local autonomy when it comes to the placement of turbines.

“Transport Canada doesn’t have any rules for this because they didn’t think any government in Canada would be stupid enough to allow 152-metre wind turbines near airports,” he explained.

“We’re the only jurisdiction in Canada that doesn’t have that authority any longer.”

He says it’s not too late to stop the project.

Collingwood Regional Airport board has said it’s not against wind turbines — it just doesn’t want them at the end of their only runway.

(The LIE-berals are so mesmerized by mouldy green gravy that they FORCED this matter into court- and then got CAUGHT MEDDLING with expert witnesses! LIE -berals LOVE dragging their crap into court were they can use poisoned and twisted interpretations of our badly flawed constitution- written by the vile Pierre Trudeau- to try to bully opponents with LIE-beral bafflegab! Our LIE-beral constitution would not exist without the “not withstanding clause” that protects us from LIE-beral Ottawa dictators!)

“Transport Canada’s comment was if it gets bad, change your approach procedure and if it gets really bad, close the runway,” Wilson said.

“There’s only one runway.”

If the turbines go in, Wilson predicts the airport is doomed. That will have a huge economic impact on development of the popular resort area.

There’s a multimillion-dollar plan to expand the aviation business at the airport, but he’s been told that’s in jeopardy because the airport will be ruined.

A spokesman for Wpd Group, a German-based company with offices in Mississauga, says they’ve worked with an aviation consultant since 2010 and will comply with all Transport Canada requirements.

(Ford govt is right to kill off as much of the wildly costly and irresponsible LIE-beral mouldy green energy scam as is legally possible! Contracts have been signed and they cannot be cancelled- but they SHOULD NOT BE RENEWED! Let these scandalously costly LIE-beral deals stand or fall on their own merit! Spain and Germany have both invested heavily in mouldy green energy and are now regretting it!)

(Spain, Ontari-owe and Germany have found the same fact- that mouldy green energy is so UNRELIABLE that it must have CONSTANT back up from other sources of electrical generation! In Ontari-owe- for every kilowatt hour of mouldy green energy we generate- there is a natural gas fired generator kept FULLY fired up and ready to taker over at a moments notice when the wind stops blowing or the sun does not shine on the mouldy green power sources!)

(Yes- in order to have that moudly green energy available at LUDICROUS extra cost- since LIE-berals DO like to hand out gravy to their pals- and mouldy green costs up to NINE TIMES MORE than the price for other forms of generation- we MUST ALSO keep an entire fleet of natural gas plants fully manned and ready- 24/7 just in case of need! We PAY to run TWO FULL electrical systems- but only use one- just so LIE-beral pals who own the mouldy green power can get LOTS of GRAVY!)

“We had questions regarding the proximity to the airport and whether that would raise issues,” Kevin Surette said.

(The issue was such that the judge sided with airport officials!)

Rural Ontario has suffered a double-whammy from green energy. Whammy No. 1 was having ugly turbines foisted on them. Whammy No. 2 is that many rural agricultural businesses rely on cheap electricity. And green energy has sent their bills skyrocketing.

Wilson says pilots he’s talked to say putting the turbines so close to the airport is madness.

Clearview has declared itself an unwilling host for turbines — but they’re getting them anyway.

Talk about a wing and a prayer.

That’s what you’ll need if you’re flying into Collingwood. Make that more prayer than wing.

(And now here are some excuses supplied by senior LIE-berals

WHAT THEY SAID:

• A spokesman for Minister of Energy and Climate Change Glen Murray said the turbines were approved after “the most comprehensive reviews.”

“Ministry technical experts worked with the proponent and regulatory agencies to ensure any concerns about the proposed layout of turbines near the airport and an aerodrome were considered and meet all regulatory agency requirements to reduce any risk to aviation activities,” Gary Wheeler said.

• Wpd spokesman Kevin Surette: “There are conditions that we have to abide by to ensure that aviation safety continues to be number one.

“We do have to conform with Transport Canada’s requirements in terms of lighting and in terms of the colour of the turbines.

“There have been studies done internationally on lighting and on the colour of the structures. We will meet those.”

• From an economic impact study by Malone, Given, Parsons for Clearview Township, principal John Genest said: “Approval of the current Wpd Turbine Project would be fatal to business expansion, such that, on balance, the offending turbines should be moved or Wpd’s Renewable Energy Act Application denied.”

CONDITIONS PLACED ON WPD CANADA:

—Hire an independent aeronautical consultant to recommend mitigation measures are met.

—Follow NAV Canada’s construction notification requirements.

—Meet the ministry’s noise limits and carry out noise audits.

—Create a community liaison committee with members from the public.

—Enter into an agreement on road use with the municipality.

(And of course when the matter went to trial- LIE-berals got caught out meddling with which expert witnesses would be available to testify! The LIE-beral track record on anything related to truth and honest dealing is UTTERLY SHAMELESS!)

Transmountain shut down in Surrey for leakage of some sort. Strong smell of gas.

For Surrey that's a vast improvement.

Hoid said:

Transmountain shut down in Surrey for leakage of some sort. Strong smell of gas.

For Surrey that's a vast improvement.

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Gosh Hoid..........are you saying the locals prefer the smell of sewage being dumped into the ocean over the smell of gas???????????????/

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Gosh Hoid..........are you saying the locals prefer the smell of sewage being dumped into the ocean over the smell of gas???????????????/

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Hey we aren’t Victoria , we have sewage treatment .

Hoid said:

Transmountain shut down in Surrey for leakage of some sort. Strong smell of gas.

For Surrey that's a vast improvement.

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Turns out it is a residential leak and has nothing to do with Trans Mountain , sorry to ruin your day .

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Turns out it is a residential leak and has nothing to do with Trans Mountain , sorry to ruin your day .

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Oh.......then all that evidence of SEWAGE in the Fraser River is WRONG???????????????????


And LIE-berals will soon be taking down all the NO SWIMMING signs????????????????????



And you would be WILLING to drink that water straight out of the river?????????????????????


I would like to see that LIE-beral shit show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gwyn Morgan: The Liberals’ pipeline plan is for more hopeless consultations and useless studies

For the second time in two years, three judges with the Federal Court of Appeal struck down a crucially important oil export pipeline project that had undergone years of regulatory review, a decision that Ottawa now says it refuses to appeal.

The Harper government’s approval of Northern Gateway was struck down in 2016 after Enbridge spent half-a-billion dollars on a massive six-year review and Aboriginal consultation process. Now the Trans Mountain expansion, approved after a billion-dollar expenditure by Kinder Morgan, and since purchased by the federal government, has met the same fate.

It’s bad enough that a private company can’t get a fully approved infrastructure project done, but can you think of any other country in the world where three judges can overrule the ability of a national government to exercise its constitutional right to build its own project? And, in both cases, those judges based their decision on dubious conclusions that veer from objective legal analysis into nuanced opinions seemingly designed to justify their preconceived biases.

At the heart of both decisions, the panel concluded that the government’s consultations with First Nations had been “inadequate.” Yet here is a summary of some of the consultations that took place prior to the approval of the Trans Mountain expansion by the federal government:

During the period from project announcement in May 2012 until commencement of the National Energy Board (NEB) hearing in December 2013, Kinder Morgan engaged with some 130 Indigenous communities.

During the hearing, the company responded to seven rounds of information requests including 400 from the NEB and 17,000 from intervenors.

131 Indigenous groups participated in the main hearing process and there was a separate oral hearing of traditional Aboriginal evidence along with an oral argument about the project impact.

In May 2016, four years after project announcement, the NEB sent the project to the Governor-in-Council. Citing a duty to “deepen” consultation, the government then proceeded with a direct consultation process including several cabinet ministers and involving 117 Indigenous communities.

The government shared its assessments of Indigenous claims with affected communities and compiled a Crown Consultation Report that provided a summary of each group’s concerns and proposals for accommodation.

Finally, a Ministerial Panel Report was prepared, and the prime minister announced his government’s approval of the project. The NEB issued its certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity on Dec. 1, 2016.

The panel that struck-down the Trans Mountain approval acknowledged that consultations had been extensive but decided that the government had not responded “meaningfully” to them, including offering potential accommodation measures. But how many accommodations can possibly be made for a pipeline following a route along roughly the same right of way as the currently operating one? And how do you “accommodate” those whose avowed purpose is simply to stop the project?

Ironically, this decision comes after the Trudeau government had devised a consultation process specifically designed to correct what they termed the Harper government’s “mistakes” that led to the court’s denial of Northern Gateway. What the court has done is move the already extremely difficult goal posts set by the previous panel to where the “adequacy” of any degree of Aboriginal consultation is impossible to predict. This is sure to repel any company from pursuing resource projects near the so-called “traditional lands” that encompass virtually every square inch of B.C. and large parts of the rest of Canada.

The second reason cited by the judges for quashing the Trans Mountain approval was what they called the NEB’s “critical error” of failing to include the impact of increased ship traffic on endangered orcas inhabiting the region’s waters. But the facts paint a very different picture.

Due to the proximity of Seattle, Wash. to the Vancouver region — where Trans Mountain terminates — an analysis of tanker movements in the whale’s habitat must include both Canadian and American traffic. Essentially all tankers must transit the Strait of Juan de Fuca bordered to the north by Vancouver Island and to the south by Washington State.

Every year, some 1,300 oil tankers, tug-pulled petroleum barges and industrial chemical carriers travel through the Strait of Juan de Fuca before entering the inland waters of the Salish Sea. The Canadian traffic turns north towards Vancouver and the American traffic goes south towards Seattle.

But that’s just tanker traffic. Orcas may be remarkably intelligent, but they can’t detect the difference between tankers and other large ships. Each year, some 10,000 large commercial cargo ships travel those same waters, too. And even that isn’t the whole story. During the May to September tourist season, hundreds of huge cruise ships visit Vancouver. Adding to that are the thousands of BC Ferry vessels that travel the Salish Sea, plus tens of thousands of recreational boats. Meanwhile, the Trans Mountain project would add one ship per day. You read that right: One. Ship. A. Day.

The NEB should instead be applauded for not wasting taxpayer money doing a major study of the obvious fact that one more ship among so many others will have no reasonable impact on the orcas’ lifestyle. But now, while the Trudeau government announced Wednesday it would not appeal the Federal Court ruling to the Supreme Court, it has ordered the NEB to study the orca question over 22 weeks.

How much will yet another six-month project delay cost the Canadian economy? Lack of access to offshore markets means U.S. refiners are buying Canadian oil at a deep captive-market discount. That discount has long been costing the industry and governments some $15 billion per year. It has now grown to some $50 million a day. Even in the unlikely event that construction restarts immediately after that 22-week delay, another $8 billion in price discounts will have been handed to Americans as they consume cheap Canadian oil and export their own production overseas at world prices.

On Wednesday, the Liberal government announced it has appointed former Supreme Court justice Frank Iacobucci to oversee a whole new process of “meaningful consultation” with the 117 Aboriginal groups who count themselves affected by the Trans Mountain expansion. Rather than a useless study and another attempt to satisfy the court’s endlessly amorphous standards of “adequate” consultations, the Trudeau Liberals should have called back Parliament early to pass a bill implementing the national government’s constitutional right to carry out projects that are in the national interest.

Business capital investment is crucial to the jobs of the future. In the period since the Trudeau Liberals took office, the proportion of capital investment in the economy has collapsed to a 40-year low. That was before this devastating court decision and the government’s inept response. Our country’s international reputation has deteriorated from a credible nation that “punches above it weight” to one governed by lightweights more fixated on political correctness than on getting their own national projects built. Canadians should be very worried.

https://business.financialpost.com/...re-hopeless-consultations-and-useless-studies

Mowich said:

How much will yet another six-month project delay cost the Canadian economy? Lack of access to offshore markets means U.S. refiners are buying Canadian oil at a deep captive-market discount. That discount has long been costing the industry and governments some $15 billion per year. It has now grown to some $50 million a day. Even in the unlikely event that construction restarts immediately after that 22-week delay, another $8 billion in price discounts will have been handed to Americans as they consume cheap Canadian oil and export their own production overseas at world prices.

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On Oct. 9, the price differential between West Texas Intermediate (WTI) and Western Canadian Select (WCS) hit US$45.50 per barrel, according to the Daily Oil Bulletin.

One barrel of WTI was trading for US$74.34 per barrel while a barrel of WCS traded for an implied value of US$28.84 for the November 2018 price.

That means that WCS was selling for just 38.9 per cent of WTI, or a 61.2 per cent discount.

The differential is even more stark when Western Canadian Select is compared to Brent, the global benchmark for oil. With Brent coming in at US$84.16, WCS was trading at a US$55.32 differential per barrel, or a 65.7 per cent discount to the world price.
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Unreal.

nobody wants that shit

Hoid said:

nobody wants that shit

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The US does, and they want to do everything in their power to keep our price as discounted as possible. Cheap oil from Canada means they can sell their oil to international buyers at mean market price and make a tidy profit at our expense. How we can allow their special interest groups to have such influence our sovereign economic policies and our natural resource market is stunning.

We are being taken for such chumps in this country, and shitty, hypocritical attitudes like yours are driving the self-inflicted pain.