What should Canada give up in new NAFTA

White_Unifier

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So who needs this more Canada or the UK?
Brexit tension leads U.K. to seek deeper ties with Canada

Hard to say. As far as I'm concerned, Canada should unilaterally drop all intentional trade barriers against Hong Kong, Singapore, and the UK, wait five years, and see if the UK reciprocates. We don't need to wait for Hong Kong or Singapore since in those two cases, we ourselves would be the ones doing the reciprocating.

That said, unilateral free trade does have its limits. For example, while it allows Canada to drop tariffs and quotas against these jurisdictions, Canada would still need to negotiate trade agreements to harmonize our packaging and labeling rules, phytosanitary rules, and other such unintentional trade barriers. Even if negotiating such deeper agreements takes times, unilateral free trade, however superficial it may be by limiting itself only to tariffs and quotas, would still be a quick first step and quite beneficial even on its own. We could then take time to promote deeper trade agreements to supplement our unilateral free trade policies over time.
 

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Hard to say. As far as I'm concerned, Canada should unilaterally drop all intentional trade barriers against Hong Kong, Singapore, and the UK, wait five years, and see if the UK reciprocates. We don't need to wait for Hong Kong or Singapore since in those two cases, we ourselves would be the ones doing the reciprocating.

That said, unilateral free trade does have its limits. For example, while it allows Canada to drop tariffs and quotas against these jurisdictions, Canada would still need to negotiate trade agreements to harmonize our packaging and labeling rules, phytosanitary rules, and other such unintentional trade barriers. Even if negotiating such deeper agreements takes times, unilateral free trade, however superficial it may be by limiting itself only to tariffs and quotas, would still be a quick first step and quite beneficial even on its own. We could then take time to promote deeper trade agreements to supplement our unilateral free trade policies over time.




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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Canada DROP trade with Hong Kong and Singapore????????????????????????????????????????


Apparently some people are unaware that Our idiot Boy Justin is DESPERATE to BUILD UP trade with China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For the geography challenged LIE-berals among us- both Hong Kong and Singapore ARE part of CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With BOTH CITIES being RENTED by Britain on 100 year leases- which have RUN OUT and Chinese govt is restored!!!!!!!!!



And since Yankees are neck deep in a trade war with Chinese Communist dictators who are bullying much of the world - using



weapons bought with hard currency they are earning from selling their crap to the west- it means that ANY SUCCESS Our idiot Boy



has in expanding trade with China is likely to bring MORE TARIFFS against Canada!


Our idiot Boy has really got to CHOOSE which side he is on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sadly- based on his comments: "that he likes the way Chinese leaders get things done" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And cynical Cdns must conclude that one of the things Our idiot Boy likes MOST about Commies is their ability to REWRITE HISTORY to suit themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then there is the long "friendship" between all the Trudueau`s and Commie dictator Castro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or maybe we should look at the grass roots of Trudeau values- with Pierre Trudeau happily heaping praise on Chairman Mao for "his genius in rushing 30 million Chiese to the gallows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- how many other Cdn families can boast of a patriarch who publicly PRAISES a MASS MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And lest we forget: Pierre Trudeau also happily told us that the war against Nazi Germany was nothing but "British Imperialism!!!!!!!!!!


One wonders just how GREEDY FOR GRAVY some civil service union Hogs really are that they would - for decades - support a family that thinks MASS MURDER and POLITICAL TYRANNY might be useful govt tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Wow a 6-year-old article about Canadians shopping south of the border at a time when the Canadian dollar was higher than that of the US. That's real proof of.... nothing?

Looks like I caught another “milk piranha “!

How many gallons did you smuggle across at once?
 

White_Unifier

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Canada should promote more free trade with Hong Kong and Singapore so as to reduce its reliance on non-market countries like the US and the PRC.
 

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Canada should promote more free trade with Hong Kong and Singapore so as to reduce its reliance on non-market countries like the US and the PRC.
Really let’s just drop eighty percent of our economy to trade with a failed city state .
 

White_Unifier

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Really let’s just drop eighty percent of our economy to trade with a failed city state .

Who said we shouldn't trade with the US? And how are States with a higher per capita GDP than Canada's "failed city states?"
 

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Canada should promote more free trade with Hong Kong and Singapore so as to reduce its reliance on non-market countries like the US and the PRC.
Good plan but you spelled Central/South America wrong. We might have to give up out debtor friends just to the south to do it though.
 

Bar Sinister

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Hard to say. As far as I'm concerned, Canada should unilaterally drop all intentional trade barriers against Hong Kong, Singapore, and the UK, wait five years, and see if the UK reciprocates. We don't need to wait for Hong Kong or Singapore since in those two cases, we ourselves would be the ones doing the reciprocating.

That said, unilateral free trade does have its limits. For example, while it allows Canada to drop tariffs and quotas against these jurisdictions, Canada would still need to negotiate trade agreements to harmonize our packaging and labeling rules, phytosanitary rules, and other such unintentional trade barriers. Even if negotiating such deeper agreements takes times, unilateral free trade, however superficial it may be by limiting itself only to tariffs and quotas, would still be a quick first step and quite beneficial even on its own. We could then take time to promote deeper trade agreements to supplement our unilateral free trade policies over time.




I think that was what the Trans Pacific Partnership is all about. Hong Kong last I noticed was part of China.
 

White_Unifier

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I think that was what the Trans Pacific Partnership is all about. Hong Kong last I noticed was part of China.

Yes, Hong Kong is a part of China, but an autonomous part with its government. That is another reason to trade with Hong Kong before the fifty years is up.

At present, Hong Kong's Basic Law (essentially its mini-constitution) entrenches the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. That is threatened once the fifty years are up. At present, Hong Kong can negotiate its own trade agreements. Canada could unilaterally adopt an act granting unilateral free trade with Hong Kong on the condition that Hong Kong continue to respect the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. While it might seem hypocritical on the surface given how the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms itself violates that Covenant with its separate schools, a simple solution would be for this act to not expect reciprocity until Canada meet the sane standard (which would be a mostly symbolic clause given how Hong Kong already imports freely from Canada as it is to its own benefit).

If Canada truly cares about promoting human rights abroad, that's one practical step Canada could take.
 

MHz

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Isn't Hong Kong kind of like the Amazon parts depot for all of China rather than China would let businesses run by the UK or any of their criminal friends deep into the country where they cannot be monitored 24/7.

That missing Interpol Chief turn up yet or is he on a really big case?
 

White_Unifier

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Isn't Hong Kong kind of like the Amazon parts depot for all of China rather than China would let businesses run by the UK or any of their criminal friends deep into the country where they cannot be monitored 24/7.
That missing Interpol Chief turn up yet or is he on a really big case?

It started off as the opium hub for the Brits into China after the first Opium War. When the Chinese tried to stop the opium trade a second time, the British started the second Opium War. A former governor general to Canada later led a battle in that second war, participated in the pillaging of the Old Summer Palace, and ordered its burning to the ground because the Chinese hesitated to sign a second opium deal.

And then we wonder how the Communist Party could have attracted so much support. We created that party however much we may want to deny it. Had it not been for the opium wars, China would probably have evolved into a prosperous constitutional monarchy today.
 
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White_Unifier

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Sorry Walter, but even British journalists of the time acknowledged the UK was the aggressor in that war. Just because English speakers were the dealers didn't make it right.
 

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Sorry Walter, but even British journalists of the time acknowledged the UK was the aggressor in that war. Just because English speakers were the dealers didn't make it right.
There’s no evidence China would have developed into a constitutional monarchy.
 

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There’s no evidence China would have developed into a constitutional monarchy.
Taipei has managed to transform themselves from being a military dictatorship into a reasonably healthy representative democracy. That's fairly close.