Canada Failing to Put Climate Change Plans in Action

MHz

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No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MHz has made his tinfoil hat too tight and now the blood flow to his brain is badly reduced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought you were supposed to know everything.


http://www.abb.ca/cawp/seitp202/3542d8666d0032d0c1257368002af3b6.aspx
HVDC stands for high voltage direct current, a well-proven technology used to transmit electricity over long distances by overhead transmission lines or submarine cables. It is also used to interconnect separate power systems, where traditional alternating current (AC) connections cannot be used. In an HVDC system, electric power is taken from one point in a three-phase AC network, converted to DC in a converter station, transmitted to the receiving point by an overhead line or cable and then converted back to AC in another converter station and injected into the receiving AC network. Typically, an HVDC transmission has a rated power of more than 100 MW and many are in the 1,000 – 3,000 MW range.
With an HVDC system, the power flow can be controlled rapidly and accurately in terms of both power level and direction. This possibility is often used to improve the performance and efficiency of the connected AC networks. ABB pioneered HVDC technology and is the world leader in the HVDC field. In total, about 130,000 MW HVDC transmission capacity is installed in more than 140 projects worldwide. ABB has delivered more than 75 of these projects with a total transmission capacity of almost 60,000 MW. The largest bipole delivered by ABB to date is 6,400 MW. There are three different categories of HVDC transmission projects:
 

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It’s a volcano. Volcanoes erupt.




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One MAJOR REASON for the cost of mouldy green energy to fall is the FAILURE of ALL LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even Germany and Spain- the two biggest FORMER supporters of mouldy green power are backing away from it as the mouldy green power is a JOB KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even our Cdn Environment Minister Climate Barbie McKenna has admitted mouldy green power is a job killer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


European LIE-berals have been fiddling with their carbon crap and trade scam and their mouldy green energy mess for 15 years now

and have succeeded ONLY in disgracing themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Carbon crap and trade scam only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So - in a frantic effort to limit public anger - LIE-berals and their Hog allies are rapidly reducing the price of green crap in a despairing but futile attempt to salvage a portion of the seats on the govt gravy train set up by LIE-berals for their benefit!!!!!!!!
 

captain morgan

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Tell that to Quebec. It sends power from James Bay to the USA. Yellowstone to Los Angeles is actually a shorter distance. And as to feigning, I suspect you have that market covered.


Learn a bit about the power trading sector and you'll get an idea as to why this is little more than a fantasy


It’s a volcano. Volcanoes erupt.


An Eruption Tax might be in order
 

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Learn a bit about the power trading sector and you'll get an idea as to why this is little more than a fantasy





An Eruption Tax might be in order
With the present direction our governments are heading I am almost more worried about an erection tax .
 

spilledthebeer

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Apparently the government of Quebec knows more about it than you do. And doesn't Saskatchewan buy power from BC?


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Actually I believe Saskatchewan buys most of its power from Manitoba- which as some very substantial hydro electric generators on rivers feeding into Hudson`s Bay......


In an case- LIE-beral hypocrisy and their desire to turn electricity into a GIANT SLUSH FUND for greedy LIE-berals is the major block to ANY change!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider the breath taking hypocrisy of Al Gore:


Here is an older article illustrating the ugly hypocrisy of LIE-beral style `environmentalists`. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Al Gore's hypocrisy 'breathtaking'

By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun. First posted: Saturday, July 29, 2017 06:08 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, July 29, 2017 06:14 PM EDT

Global warming guru Al Gore blew through Toronto recently on a promotional tour for An Inconvenient Sequel, the follow up to his 2006 Academy Award winning film, An Inconvenient Truth.

The sequel is scheduled for general release in August, and Gore had high praise for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau — who briefly appears with Gore in the new film — as a key player in negotiating the 2015 Paris climate treaty. The Nobel Peace Prize winner also took a mild shot at Trudeau, expressing disappointment he supports oil and gas pipelines.

(Better get used to such double standards-it would be far easier to cut back on gravy for Hogs-and save the environment that way than to harass ordinary people trying to heat their homes and etc! Less gravy means less Hogs flying and airplanes are the dirtiest way to travel- Cdn Geographic magazine quoted climate experts claiming it is more environmentally sensitive to drive an SUV from Toronto to Florida than to fly there- but Hogs wont quit as planes are `convenient`- so screw the environment when its `convenient` for Hogs! And screw you too for wanting to drive to work because you are polluting Hog air!)

Never mind that the purpose of those pipelines is to transport Canada’s oil and natural gas resources to market, fossil fuels which supply the energy Gore relies on to keep his never-ending global, jet-setting environmental crusade airborne.

(And never mind that the fossil fuels generate jobs and enable us to have hot water and flush toilets in our homes by fueling the trucks and machinery that enables us to have our modern, sanitary, disease free lives! If we depended on LIE-berals to go out into farm fields and weed our beans and pick our carrots and lettuce we would all starve to death! So many modern conveniences depend utterly on fossil fuel) that ending the use of that fuel as LIE-berals claim they can- will devastate our economy- and our health too!)

This as he travels the world in the lap of luxury urging the rest of us to tighten our belts to save the planet.

(LIE-berals ARE entitled- they do the `hard work` of saving us from our selves!)

Fact is, the world really would be in imminent, existential danger from global warming if everyone consumed as much fossil fuel energy as Gore does.

(LIE-berals have the same charming moral compass as plantation owners in 1859 Mississippi! The world belongs to them and they are ENTITLED to a prominent place in it- aided and abetted by meek and mild slaves/tax payers! LIE-berals are entitled to bankrupt us and ruin our lives AND to curtail OUR fossil fuel use if it suits them- and it too often does!)

The failed U.S. presidential candidate completely jumped the shark in 2013 when he sold his struggling liberal cable network, Current TV, to Al Jazeera for $500 million, with a reported payday of up to $100 million for himself.

Al Jazeera is owned by the oil and gas emirate of Qatar, an Arab dictatorship currently denying allegations from surrounding Arab dictatorships that it funds Islamic terrorism.

Gore’s hypocrisy in selling Current TV to Mideast oil and gas interests, given his crusade against fossil fuels, can only be described as breathtaking.

Ontario residents should think of Gore every time they pay their electricity bills, which doubled over the past decade to become the highest in Canada, taking the shine off Premier Kathleen Wynne’s promise to cut them by “25%” starting this summer.

Actually, 17%. The Liberals cut electricity rates by 8% on Jan. 1, 2017, a year after raising them 10% when they cancelled a subsidy program.

Back in the heady days of November, 2009, Gore flew into Toronto to praise then Liberal premier Dalton McGuinty’s passage of Ontario’s Green Energy Act that year, before a sold-out audience of 1,300 at the Allstream Centre in Exhibition Place.

Two Ontario auditors general — first Jim McCarter and now Bonnie Lysyk — have since extensively reported on how the Green Energy Act has been a financial disaster for Ontarians.

(And without cleaning our air either! Yankees can lay claim to any air benefit as they have closed 150 coal fired generating plants- though sillyn LIE-berals are trying to take that credit for themselves as a way to hide their mouldy green energy crap! Our hydro system has become a giant slush fund for LIE-berals and Hogs- environmental concerns take a back seat to Hog gravy needs!)

They documented how the McGuinty government, followed by Premier Kathleen Wynne’s government, wasted billions of public dollars buying expensive and unreliable wind and solar power they didn’t need to replace coal-fired electricity, which was done with nuclear power and natural gas.

(Certainly burning coal the old way with NO pollution scrubbers on ancient equipments as Ontari-owe had been doing was a bad thing- but as noted- LIE-berals REPLACED our coal plant output with nuclear and natural gas generation- THUS NO NEED for mouldy green power- EXCEPT that LIE-berals turned power generation into a GIANT slush fund to BUY votes for their pals!)

The auditors found the Liberals failed to develop proper business plans, economic impact studies, or even do internal auditing, laying the groundwork for every Liberal energy blunder from the cancelled gas plants scandal to the smart meters fiasco.

(The ONLY plan LIE-berals need or want is the one that enables them to BUY all the votes they need to cling to power using their electrical slush funds!)

Undeterred, Gore was back in Toronto four years later in November, 2013, praising Wynne at the province’s MaRS building for announcing Ontario would ban the use of coal-fired electricity in the province forever, thanking her on behalf of the “world” for “doing a fantastic job.”

Now, Ontario is about to re-enter the coal-fired electricity business in Colstrip, Montana, after Wynne sold control of Hydro One to private investors.

(LIE-beral morals are so flexible they can do back flips while standing still. And the purchase of that coal fired plant in Montana is necessary since LIE-berals are seeking to EXPAND their electrical slush fund now that major opposition to electricity rates has dominated Ontari-owe news! LIE-berals have decided it might be easier to get their gravy from operations not in immediate view of Ontari-owe voters and auditors!)

Funny how things work out, eh?

(LIE-berals have no business sense and no shame- only greed!)
 

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Apparently the government of Quebec knows more about it than you do. And doesn't Saskatchewan buy power from BC?

Sask. is self sufficient and even export to Alta. a little, we recently signed a deal with Man. to supply extra power from their new power dam's transmission lines that run within 40 miles of our border. The extra power is needed for the population growth in Sask. not enough for a new power project, but enough to possibly put a strain on our system.


Sask. is also claiming to be 50% renewable power in the very near future, and as aggressive as they are with home grants for wind and solar grid tied power I believe it.
 

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Apparently the government of Quebec knows more about it than you do. And doesn't Saskatchewan buy power from BC?

Great, then all they need to do is build a power generation facility and get a reeeeeaaaaaalllly long extension cord to take that power from Yellowstone to Los Angeles.


.... Seeing that the answer is so simple, I can't help but wonder why they haven't done it yet
 

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Great, then all they need to do is build a power generation facility and get a reeeeeaaaaaalllly long extension cord to take that power from Yellowstone to Los Angeles.
.... Seeing that the answer is so simple, I can't help but wonder why they haven't done it yet
By the time the gets to LA, it might amount to a few hundred kilowatts or so. The resistance in that extension cord eats up most of it.
 

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The same general principal exists for the high power lines albeit not as extreme.


That said, the existing practice is that most utilities will affect trades and swaps with other groups on an ongoing basis, especially for customers that are physically located a long ways away.
 

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Sask. is self sufficient and even export to Alta. a little, we recently signed a deal with Man. to supply extra power from their new power dam's transmission lines that run within 40 miles of our border. The extra power is needed for the population growth in Sask. not enough for a new power project, but enough to possibly put a strain on our system.


Sask. is also claiming to be 50% renewable power in the very near future, and as aggressive as they are with home grants for wind and solar grid tied power I believe it.


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In general I SCORN the mouldy green energy that LIE-berals are using to price gouging us with so heavily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But out on a farm in rural Sakatchewan a wind powered green energy backup system might be useful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all - it is windy as hell out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Saskatchewan IGNORES winds that would have Toronto scrambling for cover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you live in a little place like Antelope Saskatchewan- and the nearest gas station was 60 miles to the south and the nearest grocery store was 40 miles to the west.........you cannot count on rapid govt aid in an emergency!!!!!!!!!!!



It was a rather pretty place in mid summer - surrounded by fields of grain- shining gold in the sun - right out to all the horizons.......but being out there in January would be like living marooned in a wood framed space ship!!!!!!!!!!!


One would NEED to be self reliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But as always- THERE IS NO NEED for govt to pay for the mouldy green machinery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those who chose to live in such isolated places for the sake of ultra low property taxes ought to be FULLY SELF RELIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!


Using the tax money of people lost in an over heated apartment in the city to subsidize lives of country dwellers is the usual gross LIE-beral bigotry and shameless vote buying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Here is an older article illustrating how badly flawed is all LIE-beral environmental policy and how far LIE-berals will stretch the truth to hide their messes! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Ontario Liberals deny tampering with witnesses at hearing into wind turbines near Collingwood airport

Keith Leslie, The Canadian Press | September 27, 2016 7:28 AM ET

TORONTO — Ontario’s Liberal government denies Opposition charges that it interfered with the witness list for a hearing into a plan to install at least six, 152-metre-high wind turbines near the Collingwood airport.

(The planned installation is on hold after it was pointed out that the towers would be pretty much in line with the runways at the Collingwood airport- with rather obvious dangers for planes taking off or landing. As we know, LIE-berals were so desperate to reward their pals that they killed off the ability of local municipalities to regulate the location of wind towers- with the result that a lawsuit was launched to try get the towers moved away from the runways.

Progressive Conservative house leader Jim Wilson says the province decided at the last minute to call a witness from NAVCanada instead of an expert from Transport Canada at an Environmental Review Tribunal hearing.

NAVCanada is a private corporation that owns and operates the country’s civil air navigation service, while Transport Canada is the federal government department responsible for transportation policies and programs.

(In other words, NavCanada is dependent on govt good will for its contracts.)

Wilson says the witnesses were changed because Transport Canada has concerns about putting industrial wind turbines between the Collingwood Regional Airport and the Stayner aerodrome.

(So Wilson has publicly alleged that private company with profit motive as guide sees nothing wrong with the location of the towers but a civil servant whose job is public safety thinks the location is lousy-and LIE-berals don’t want the civil servant near a court-and is hoping we wont notice or care!)

David Reevely: Wind farm company, Ontario government had cozy relationship until deal fell apart. David Reevely: American company alleges Ontario invented pretexts to stop Great Lakes wind farms.

(Well-YES! LIE-berals are being SUED for about 28 million dollars due to their abrupt cancellation of planned wind towers in the Wolfe Island area near Kingston! LIE-berals have become suddenly shy of public opinion and of mounting public rage at the cost of these mouldy green power sources!)

He says the Ontario government refuses to acknowledge that putting giant turbines so close to the small airports pose a hazard to aircraft operations.

But Environment Minister Glen Murray says it would be against the law for him to play any role in determining witnesses or influencing the environmental tribunal.

“I will keep it as a non-political process and let the experts choose the witnesses,” Murray told the legislature. “I wish the member opposite would not be politicizing it in the way he’s trying to, because neither he nor I should be involved in this process.”

(Oh right! LIE-berals WRITE the law and then claim they have no control over it? Just how hypocritical are these LIE-berals?)

Wilson said a witness from Transport Canada “would have made much more sense” since it is the agency tasked with ensuring aviation safety.

(AS opposed to the LIE-beral preferred witness whose job it is to sell LIE-berals staffers at airport control towers- for PROFIT!)

“Minister, you can spin this all you want, but my people believe, and we have reason to believe — good reason to believe — that somebody in your ministry tampered with the witnesses,” he said.

Wilson said the Liberal government has agreed it could no longer support two of the eight proposed turbine locations near the airport because they pose a serious safety risk, and asked why officials “refuse to act on the serious risk posed by the other six turbines” when experts say they are also dangerous.

But again, Murray said he would stay out of the process.

“I had nothing to do with the decision to change the configuration of turbines,” he said. “Experts did that. I had no role, nor did any politician on this side or any other influencer, in who witnesses are.”

(Apparently Murray thinks we are all fools and will accept any claims Murray cares to spout just so long as its supported by an expert? And WHO CARES what the supporter is really expert in? LIE-berals define an `expert` as somebody who AGREES WITH THEM! All dissenting voices are labeled as fools!)
Well politicians always lie.

Next, even die hard fanatics such as Norway, Sweden, and Germany have been re-thinking their strategy and are phasing most of the windmills out. Germany which 'cleverly' closed its nukes and coal gen stations has just started work on the first new coal station in decades. Industry and mfg has left the country and naturally unemployment has climbed.

Why? Because as anyone with even half a brain can figure out, wind cannot be forced or arranged to blow at exactly the time it is needed. Who'da thunk it.

A$$holes abound. Naturally this lesson was lost on the Ontario Liberals. The moving force behind the windmills in Ontario was an enviro-fanatic, Gerald Butts, who is also a very stupid man (or evil). We have a surplus of electricity due to all these totally uneeded windmills, and since we cannot store it, NY very graciously takes it off our hands and charges us!!! up the ying yang.

Couldn't have a dumber situation if we tried.

Where is Gerald Butts now that Wynn has been defeated? He is the principal secretary and advisor to that other mentally challenged twit Justin Trudeau.

God help Canada.
 

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I seen all the progressive policies have been jettisoned


Of course they were.


Accords or Agreements like Kyoto and Paris are simply to give politicians some breathing room with the rabid Alt-Left. If they can raise some taxes, that's a bonus.


But at the end of the day this agreements are never honored and accomplish nothing.