Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hoid proves there is a SUCKER born every minute- or at least HE HOPES there is- so he can sell his electric TOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Desperate govts with more borrowed money than brains are trying to BUY jobs by creating an ARTIFICIAL MARKET for electric TOY vehicles!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly- the bankrupt City of Toronto has jumped onto the electric toy bus market for THE THIRD TIME!!!!!
But we wont know the results of this latest Toronto bus trial till AFTER the municipal election! Assuming Toronto gets its act together and actually HOLDS an election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And of course after being BURNED TWICE in the past- Toronto was smart enough NOT to use its own money for this latest test of electric toy vehicles- this time around Toronto is using mostly federal money offered by Our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toronto city council HAPPILY WASTES money from other levels of govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for politicians putting money into companies OTHER than Tesla.......gee......what a surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With Elon Musk apparently having some sort of public mental break down and raving about taking his nearly bankrupt Tesla Motors private.....without ANY CLUE where to get the money!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And of course it looks like Musk is going to have his head served up on a platter for publicly referring to a British diver a a pedofile- apparently WITHOUT ANY PROOF!!!!!
All Hoid has done is to graphically illustrate how DESPERATE LIE-beral govt is to PRETEND to be doing something about climate change and jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-beral govt HAS NO PLAN to do anything useful or effective about either the environment or the economy!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL LIE-beral policy is SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have BORROWED HUGE sums of money to BRIBE vehicle makers to tinker with electric TOYS....and then try to snow us with claims electric TOYS are the way of the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why should not vehicle makers tinker with electric TOYS if LIE-berals are willing to PAY THEM to do so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are two things Hoid DOES NOT want to discuss:
He does not want to admit how quickly the electric TOY business will dry up after LIE-beral BRIBERY ENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Hoid does not want to admit that it is airplanes and the govt Hogs riding them that are the major cause of climate change!!!!!!!!!
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Poor MHz- it is SNIFFING GAS that gives rise to such muddled thoughts as he presents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not wish to recognize that it is Hydrogen power that is the way of the future- once the gas is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hydrogen power offers many options that electrical TOY vehicles do not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For one thing Hydrogen fuel cells are far less toxic than Lithium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For another- Hydrogen cells do not automatically burst into flames when the case is cracked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hydrogen offers LONGER RANGE than an electric Toy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Hydrogen is quicker to refuel than an electric TOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A Hydrogen powered car offers better towing and cargo capacity- comparable to a gas powered car and thus is WAY BETTER than an electric TOY vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The materials needed to build a hydrogen powered car are readily available- unlike Lithium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In addition a Hydrogen powered vehicle does NOT suffer the same debilitating loss of range as an electric car does in cold weather!!!!!
A Hydrogen powered car is no harder to recycle than a gas powered car- in sharp contrast to an electric Toy vehicle with that huge battery full of toxic crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The future IS NOT ELECTRIC - it is Hydrogen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And LIE-berals will NOT have the power or money to buy into that Hydrogen future using OUR MONEY- as they have tried and failed to do with electric Toy vehicles and with mouldy green energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rather than 'free' this might work.
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Here is an article exposing the rot at the heart of LIE-beral policy. With some comments of my own in brackets):
Liberals take from the poor, give to the rich
Steve Clark, Special to The Toronto Sun.
First posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:38 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:46 PM EST
Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs. (HANDOUT)
The famous outlaw Robin Hood and his Merry Men achieved fame for robbing from the rich to give to the poor. Today we find an Ontario Liberal staffer taking a job at Tesla that shows the Wynne Liberals as Robin Hoods in reverse: They take from the poor to give to the rich.
(Tesla Co. Has made a career of sucking up BILLIONS in govt grants! The Tesla factory in Nevada WOULD NOT EXIST without Tesla first having gotten close to $5 billion dollars U.S. in govt cash! And Tesla cars would NOT be sold here in Ontari-owe unless LIE-berals offered up to FOURTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in outright GIFTS of our money as subsidies to Tesla buyers!)
(In addition, a new California law now mandates that a certain percentage of new cars sold in that state MUST BE electric cars! Yes- any car maker who wants a license to operate there MUST SELL A MINIMUM NUMBER OF electric TOY cars! In order to meet the electric Toy car quota- General Motors is planning to LOSE $9 grand U.S. ON ALL THE ELECTRIC TOY cars they must sell per year or be closed down in California!)
(GM is simply hoping a $9 grand lure is enough to bring in the suckers- otherwise they may have to LOSE EVEN MORE- to ensure they meet the LIE-beral electric Toy quota! With the loss on electric car prices being made up with higher gas car prices! And now we see how close the relationship between Tesla and LIE-berals really is!)
Wynne and her cronies have done a lot to wreak havoc on Ontario - what they’ve done to the hydro system is case in point. We’ve long been outraged by their scheme to pay wealthy Ontarians to buy Teslas - (THE SPORTY AND COSTLY MODEL s) a fancy electric car that is the status of symbol of choice for Silicon Valley billionaires. The price tag for one starts at $75,200 – more than the average Ontario families earns in a year.
And let me be clear, this subsidy only applies to one car manufacturer – Tesla.
(And NOW lie-BERALS HAVCE EXPANDED THEIR ELECTRIC toy CAR SUBSIDIES TO Tesla model 3`s the “economy” sedan that costs TWICE as much as a gas car- AFTER the subsidies are added on! And some LIE-berals WONDER why General Motors is reluctant to invest in Ontari-owe?)
Once upon a time, Kathleen Wynne said that people who can afford this type of car probably don’t need more help from the government. We agree. So why then did her government flip-flop and reinstate the Tesla-buyer’s subsidy?
(LIE-berals are frantic to turn our electrical system into a GIGANTIC SLUSH fund they can use to BUY votes and cling to power at any price! This is why LIE-berals SOLD OFF our Hydro to their civil service union Hog pals! And it is why LIE-berals slammed shut the Hydro books so we could not SEE THE DIRT!!!!)
It’s a question I asked the premier in Question Period. She stonewalled. It’s a question I’d like to ask Environment Minister Glen Murray’s former chief of staff. He left the top job in the minister`s office to take a government relations job with Tesla the same month the tax break was announced.
It’s bad enough that Wynne is having Ontario taxpayers give money so people can buy Teslas; but what’s truly insulting is the revolving door of lobbyists, politicians and their staff that is the Ontario Liberal government.
“You scratch my back, I scratch yours” seems to be how Wynne and her Liberals want to run Ontario. We saw it with the outrageous green energy deals given to huge multinational companies to build wind turbines – companies that donated $1.3 million to the Ontario Liberals. And we saw it with cash for access fundraisers, where government ministers traded access with companies they regulate for massive donations.
Meanwhile, every day, taxpaying Ontarians are suffering. Most of the people I know couldn’t afford to spend $75,200 on a car.
Wynne’s Tesla-buyer’s subsidy benefits a narrow sliver of Ontarians who are already well-off. And the self-interest involved with senior political staff being hired by Tesla shows that her government`s ethics still haven’t hit bottom.
There is no proof yet that any laws or rules were broken, but a full investigation is needed. When Wynne gives special subsidies to companies who then go on to hire her top advisors, leaving Ontarians paying more for less and wondering who is going to stand up for them, something is seriously wrong.
(WE can only hope the new Ford govt will dig fully into the LIE-beral MESS and give us the full and UGLY details! We know- thanks to Ontari-owe auditor general Bonnie Lysyk- that LIE-berals LIED about having balanced their budgets!)
(Now- thanks to independent auditors hired by Ford- WE HAVE PROOF that the REAL LIE-beral 2018 deficit is not any of the Fake News numbers that LIE-berals gave us- not $1.5 billion, not $3 billion and not even $6.7 billion but the TRUE NUMBER is $15 Billion!! Such a COSTLY AND DELIBERATE LIE should be sufficient to DESTROY the Ontari-owe LIE-beral party- FOREVER!)
Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs
How many Politicians have went to work in the private industry after they 'retired' at positions that were way above their pay grade? Pork-barrel politics is not a single event in their careers. To the point it is a 'family business'. Good reason to have 1 person from the same family per decade in politics might be a smart move where the Voters rights are most important.
Pretty much, the companies that got the contracts were the Bankers best customers. Pay to play has been going on since the first railway spike was driven home, . . . and then some.
E-cars should be the norm for people who drive less than 100k per day. What is missing is the parts for the hot rod shops to install a retro-kit for under $1,000. The State can help buy buying the parts in bulk and have then take over the battery part as far as supply, remove and replace and recycle goes. They would also be first in line for better batteries as they get created in mass.
The oil companies also said at 1 time that they produce gas types of fuel and that is the engines they will R&D so it doesn't matter if an engine that runs on hydrogen can be made. A kit that allows water to be the fuel can be created using off the shelf parts if a person was determined to do that. No way to do it in high volume.
I'n pretty sure a e-version of a smart car could be sold to 'city dwellers' just by showing them passing gas stations for inserting a plug at home. The heated version needed in Canada can have an AC when sold in warmer climates. E-vehicles will not be allowed to be in high enough numbers that a refinery is shut down.
All Politicians since 1967 have been employees of the British Crown. Please quit forgetting who 'owns Canada'. It makes you into a liar and only confuses others.
Subs are the reason capitalism is competitive in the first place, the more hidden they are the better. Banjers own 51^ of every company listed on the stock exchange. Explain to me how that hinders true competition.
One-offs are always way overpriced. Why is no '$99 kit from ACME HARDWARE' available for the Masses. Subs have to end if a company gets solid enough to go public as the R&D should be done at that point. (and the backdoor in place)
Sane reason any of them flip=flop, they aren't running the show.
Hydro went privat so shareholders could get what was earmarked for taxpayers.
I'm pretty sure they are under direction not to tell the truth.
Naybe we should fix that before taking on Syria's woes.
This is Ontario, there was never a time when she didn't get piles of free money to throw around in the Province. If it turned out good it was by accident rather than design.
Really? How about the ones that spend many millions on a painting? Put them in a higher tax bracket and watch how fast the price of 'art' come down.
Does the term 'pay to play' mean anything to you?
Be sure to take it back to 1867.
Right after they solve all the missing Indian children.
See how much of that went to Canadian shareholders compared to foreigners.
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Congratulations MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your delusions and illusions are really INTENSE TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The German Soviet Republic has already tried what you are proposing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They tried to ORDER a car company into existence..........and produced the TRABANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The least reliable, under powered, pollution spewing mess in the roads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Compare the Soviet produced Trabant to democratic and capitalist produced Porche, BMW or Mercedes and the SHEER IDIOCY of letting any govt into the car biz becomes obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only a delusional LUNATIC would think that our LIE-beral overlords would produce a product that we would BUY VOLUNTARILY!!!!!!!
The |Tesla model 3 costs TWICE what a Nissan Qashqai does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Compared to Qashqai- the tesla 3 has shorter range, less cargo capacity, NO TOWING capacity and it comes with an awkward and slow to use refueling system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONLY people with more money than brains- meaning a small minority of civil service union Hogs and other assorted flakes and airheads - can be persuaded to take advantage of the MASSIVE LIE-beral subsidies being offered to lure idiots into electric TOY cars!!!!
And considering that Elon Musk is having some rather public stress related melt downs as his company tries and FAILS to turn a profit, one can easily refer to Tesla as the LIE-beral Trabant for a modern age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old Soviet public probably would have preferred a Tesla over a Trabant- but we in the west are voting with our pocket books!!!!!
WE have SCORNED WASTEFUL and selfish LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE LAUGH IN DISGUST at the ravings of deluded dreamers such as yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE REFUSE to BUY the electric Toy cars that LIE-berals want to force on us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And we REFUSE to pay the exorbitant "SUBSIDIES" - meaning outright GIFTS OF CASH that LIE-berals are throwing at any company that will jump on their electric powered band wagon- that is ALREADY OUT OF POWER- and out of public favour!!!!!!!!
The delusional ramblings of such as MHz and Hoid regarding our electric future are positive PROOF that LIE-berals had NO NEED to legalize Weed- some people cannot be trusted to imbibe wisely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe not. Where is the fully electric Cadillac
made? How many where sold last year? Will
GM just kill it due to the tariff Trump threw up?
(Clue to the country of origin. It's not America)
I was able to find his words in the post. What was the point of your posy, show you have limited mental abilities, if so you get 5 gold stars. Now if you will excuse some post seems to be more important to me than your dribble.
Really? At my end it looks like a flat line. You sure you want to admit to being able to see delusions clearly?
We never did anything right in the past, what makes you think it failed even though the instructions were followed.
The hugely unsuccessful VW Bug?? They are still popular in Mexico, if it was a US invention we would all be driving one, at huge savings.
. . . and the only one that could go past 10 gas stations without needing to stop.
Not without a long list of who all the players in the background are and what they were doing to help their boss, the banks.
Forced to buy because it is so damn cheap to own and run, I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy at the moment.
Cassettes cost more than 8-tracks at one time also. The day a proto is cheaper than an item that is in mass production is the day you should start to get very worried.
You might want to take that into consideration before buying rather than bitch about it after. In the range both cars can travel is one better than the other?
You forgot 'anybody with inherited money'. Ir doesn't matter who drives then, they are going to break more often and they all go to one spot to be fixed while under warranty. Sounds like a job for Canada Battery to solve.
The company was a farce as soon as you saw it being pushed in a NASA animation. Do you want the owber throwing up his hands and yelling, 'I'm free, I'm free at last.' type of shit?
How do you explain the newest products they make, pretty damn nice but probably a bit too expensive for most villages in Siberia where a 6x6 is a more useful ride.
Velcom to the EU, Canada style, Comrade.
That is what the insane do in any situation, nobody is impressed by shows of stupidity.
Cone back in 100 years and you might like a car better than a horse like your Grandma.
Pork-barrel Politics is how they get their 'vacation money', you won;t be ending that trend anytime soon.
Huh?
You deal with it as you see fit and I'll do the same. If you want to coach somebody try Walnut or Pete, they are the morally bankrupt ones in the place. Dribble is the saliva that drips out of your mouth,it is useless, like some words from some people.