MP Maxime Bernier quits 'morally corrupt' Conservatives, plans to start new party

Hoid

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Bernier is a total racist.

This is the same old problem with right wingers in this country - the racists in Quebec simply cannot get along with the racists in the rest of Canada. They hate each other too much.
 

White_Unifier

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Bernier is a total racist.

This is the same old problem with right wingers in this country - the racists in Quebec simply cannot get along with the racists in the rest of Canada. They hate each other too much.

I don't know if Bernier is a racist; but if he is, then that's what frustrates the hell out of me. Trudeau, Scheer, and maybe Sign are corporate shills handing out money to Bombardier, protecting the dairy lobby at the expense of Canadians, etc., and then the only who's prepared to stand up to that might be a racist.

So, if Bernier's a racist, and some non-racists feel attracted to some of his more rational policies, then it would seem that the best way to neutralize him would be for other parties to adopt his more rational policies while leaving the racism behind... if they really care about countering racism that is.
 

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First he needs to keep his seat.


I don't think that will be a problem in his riding, pete. This really pisses me off. This close to an election and once again the party is looking like a bunch of dolts that can't handle controversy with an ounce of grace. I don't lay this mess all at Max's feet either.
 

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This is great for the Liberals.

Only if Bernier can pull enough voters his way if he manages to form a party. I think he has the potential to do so, but he could also wind up fading into obscurity and lose his own seat next year. I don’t really agree with him on much but he probably would have been a stronger and more effective leader than Scheer has been.

I've been thinking before he does that, maybe he should sign up for an English course somewhere, so we rubes in the hinterland can understand what he is saying! :)

Hey, Chrétien got elected three times without that being a problem.

You cant expect him to have good French just because he is from Ottawa. I'm from Sudbury and my French is almost non existent.

Yeah but you’re not a politician trying to win voters in Quebec.

Do you support corporate welfare? He could probably attract even some principled socialists with a stance like that.

I generally vote NDP but totally agree with him on corporate welfare and supply management.

Not for keeping control of power like supporting Bombardier to pander for Libetal votes in Quebec.

Harper gave them tons of money when he was in power too. Welfare for Bombardier seems to be one of the few things Liberals and Conservatives support, though only when they themselves are in power. When it’s the other party, then they’re suddenly against it.
 

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I don't think that will be a problem in his riding, pete. This really pisses me off. This close to an election and once again the party is looking like a bunch of dolts that can't handle controversy with an ounce of grace. I don't lay this mess all at Max's feet either.

In the news, his party association has broken off from the Conservative Party to back Max too. It would appear that he has a very strong chance of winning the next election, but just be prepared to sit as an independent backbencher in Parliament.

That said, especially if the CPC comes out one or two seats short of a majority next election, Bernier and other independent backbenchers like him could become powerful members in a majority conservative coalition.
 

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Depends. I could agree with letting foreigners work in Canada visa-free for example, but not to collect social assistance except for genuine refugees.

How do we determine whether or not they are refugees until they have have had a chance to have their cases heard? Canada is relatively civilized and is not going to let them starve while they wait.
 

White_Unifier

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How do we determine whether or not they are refugees until they have have had a chance to have their cases heard? Canada is relatively civilized and is not going to let them starve while they wait.

I agree with you. I was speaking in general terms and in that sense, there might not be much we can do about the refugees crossing the border now since they might all be genuine for all we know.
That said, we need to counterbalance refugees with working immigrants to expand the tax base to support those refugees. In other words, the more refugees come to Canada, the easier we need to make it for non-refugees to come to Canada too. That just makes economic sense. And we don't want an expensive bureaucracy for that either. It would seem to me that the most economically efficient solution to that would be to allow foreign nationals to visit, study, work, and do business in Canada visa-free so as to expand the tax base we need to support refugees.
 

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This looks a lot like the usual "Protect Quebec's Culture At All Costs." The rest of Canada seems to have a much more lenient view of multiculturalism. For the most part it is only the Quebecois who seem to get really upset about modes of dress and the infusion of new customs into their culture.
 

White_Unifier

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This looks a lot like the usual "Protect Quebec's Culture At All Costs." The rest of Canada seems to have a much more lenient view of multiculturalism. For the most part it is only the Quebecois who seem to get really upset about modes of dress and the infusion of new customs into their culture.

I agree, and that's something that really irritates me about Bernier. I'm all for a common language for practical reasons, and for people respecting the law and supporting themselves. But beyond that, who's the government to dictate culture? The last time it did that, it committed acts that led to a TRC to declare those acts as cultural genocide, and rightfully so.
 

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Only if Bernier can pull enough voters his way if he manages to form a party. I think he has the potential to do so, but he could also wind up fading into obscurity and lose his own seat next year. I don’t really agree with him on much but he probably would have been a stronger and more effective leader than Scheer has been.

Hey, Chrétien got elected three times without that being a problem.


I find Max almost as insufferably arrogant as I did Jean at times.
 

White_Unifier

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I find Max almost as insufferably arrogant as I did Jean at times.

True. I don't see how Bernier can pull off a whole new political party in a year. I think he's confused local support for national support. Sure his own personal seat is probably quite secure in his riding, but that won't translate nationwide even if only due to strategic voting. He might have lots of support in principle, but of what use is that support if it turns on him strategically as a unite-the-right vote for Scheer? He could could probably accomplish more as an independent backbencher (and there is no shame in that whatsoever) than in trying to create a whole new party.
 

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Better to get Scheer a French course.
For a guy born in Ottawa, that guy's French is atrocious.
Bernier could clean up Quebec just with this.

No one West of Ottawa gives a rats azz if he can speak a word of French. I will never vote for a party whose leader comes from Quebec.
 

White_Unifier

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No one West of Ottawa gives a rats azz if he can speak a word of French. I will never vote for a party whose leader comes from Quebec.

So you prefer to vote for the dairy cartel and corporate welfare? No wonder we're all tax slaves. It's because of voters like you who vote based on a person's accent.