Gun Control is Completely Useless.
- Thread starter Colpy
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America does not have a problem with guns. It has a problem with lax laws permitting criminals to have guns. Not the same thing.
It has probably been two years since there was a moderator as Putz's longevity should attest to. Spaminator don't give a shit about rules!
You may find it insulting, but it's true.
Worse, you're a whiny socialist. You lap up the benefits of socialism like a cat on spilt milk then piss and moan whenever anybody else receives the benefits.
Your approach to sociopolitcoeconomics is essentially that of a spoilt five-year-old.
Yep.
And anyone competent in the English language understands that the phrase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is simply the reason for the declaratory phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". It does not modify the declaratory phrase in any way.
As well, the militia is a tool of the state, and common sense would dictate that the rights of the state are not included in a Bill of Rights, which are the principles that defend the individuals from the power of the state. If the Second Amendment guarantees the rights of the state you must interpret "the people" as meaning "the state", and that would totally eviscerate all the individual rights in the Bill of Rights.
Also, ancient documents must be interpreted in the light of what the authors intended. A cursory reading of the writing of Jefferson, Madison et. al. makes it very clear that they intended the American population be armed.
Finally, the people are the militia.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
Time for the anti-gunners to put that argument to bed. It is very ill.
Murder rates per 100,000 (democratic countries only)
United States: 5.35
Jamaica: 47.01
Belize: 37.6
Brazil: 29.53
Bahamas: 28.4
Mexico: 19.26
Honduras: 56.52
El Salvador: 82.84
Bermuda: 12.98
Philippines: 11.02
Costa Rica: 11.9
Barbados: 10.9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
All of which have much stricter gun control, and fewer guns than the USA.
And that is just a sample.
Wanna try again?
Colpy that is such a pathetic effort. Nothing like listing nations with terrible human rights records like Brazil, Honduras, and El Salvador and using them as a basis for comparison to the US. But I guess you have to don't you? Any comparison to nations with a culture similar to that of the US fail miserably. BWT all of the nations you listed do have one thing in common and that is that most of them have experienced an increase in the number of firearms in the country.
And it was nice of you to admit that gun ownership in the US is pretty well unregulated, which was exactly my point.
He doesn't have a choice. Comparing the US to nations like Canada and those in Western Europe is a no win situation for gun worshippers.
that may be the case but the forum stands for political free expression.
but does it stand for free bigotted racist expression? if hoid is allowed to stay then I guess so.
Oh POOR HOID!!!!!
SADLY WRONG AS USUAL!!!!!!
The living standard in United States is STILL HIGHER than in your beloved Socialist poisoned Europe!
And as I recall Socialist Stockholm is STILL the suicide capital of the world!!!!!!
Though it is possible the suicide rate is higher among Cdn natives living on reserves now than in Stockholm - after all there has been a spike in native deaths thanks to LIE-berals doing such a SH+T job of controlling crime and limiting endemic corruption on reserves!!!!!!!!
Hey- Tecumsehbones in head- Why are you worrying about tax slave when you have COMPLETELY FAILED to offer us ANY
CLEVER SUGGESTIONS regarding how to improve the cop training you CLAIM is so bad!!!!!!
I stand by my assertion that too many black people simply do not know how to deal with cops. The best example is that of professor Gates- the black guy who got arrested early in the first term of Barak Obama. There was a big fuss and to quell the complaints, Obama invited the cop and Gates to the White House to make peace and smooth things over and sadly Obama did NEITHER! He simply PROVED that black people- even a President- don’t understand their civil rights and obligations!
Consider: Gates is wealthy and a little famous. He is the author of “The Classic Slave Narratives”- a book documenting the life of some slaves living in the American South. The book was well researched and well received. Gates was already a history professor at some well known university and lived in an upscale neighbourhood someplace outside Washington DC. It is one of those neighbourhoods with houses set well back from the road and with lots of high hedges and such. The sort of place where few people apparently know their neighbours.
One weekday morning, Gates was working from home and went out at mid morning to collect his mail. A random gust of wind blew his front door shut and it locked and there he was on the doorstep with no keys. And there was nobody home- wife gone for the day, kids in school etc.
So a very angry and frustrated Gates starts circling the house, looking for a way in. Maybe a window lock he can force open , a back door carelessly left unlocked. But there is nothing to be seen and he ends up back at the front door. Gates does not know that a near sighted neighbor has been watching him and does not recognize him as her neighbor. All the old girl can see is some guy trying to break into the house- and that IS what Gates is trying to do! So she phones the cops and reports a prowler and a cruiser with 2 cops arrives at the scene.
The 2 cops immediately spot the `prowler` trying to jimmy open the front door and they approach and ask the usual questions: “who are you” ; “where do you live” ; “why are you trying to break into this house”; show us ID”? Obvious questions of a SPECIFIED legal sort!
And Gates, being an angry black guy- and yeah, being locked out of your own house will provoke a guy- with lots of book learning and NO street smarts at all answers back unwisely! Any white guy in such a situation is smart enough to know that an answer such as : mind your own `fcuking` business will not fly! But that is Gates response and he sticks to it! Because of course the cops ARE taking care of business. They have a prowler on their hands and are LEGALLY required to get an explanation- its their JOB to protect people and property!
So they get uncooperative Gates in handcuffs and search him and he has no ID on him and no way to get into the house to retrieve it and prove that he has a right to fiddle with his door locks if it suits him. And the cops cannot simply let Gates go because he WAS CAUGHT red handed trying to break into a house and has offered no explanation and no identification- he has only been loud mouthed and obnoxious! So Gates gets a free ride down to the local station and is held there till he can be identified and then released once he can prove that the whole mess is a screwup brought on by a random gust of wind and his own stupidity!
If Gates had immediately told the cops who he was and that he had locked himself out, the cops could have looked up his drivers license, credit cards or other documents and maybe got some proof of identity that way and it would have simplified things. But with Gates being a belligerent and uncooperative prick telling cops nothing, he made the cops do things the hard way. The cops cannot simply let the un-identified prowler/suspect go just because HE demands it! And some knuckleheads want to call this an act of police bigotry? HAHAHAHAHA!
Then, to make matters worse, the numbskull Obama has to get involved and act as if it is the cops who have screwed up by arresting a prowler! The cops caught a prowler red handed, one who refused to identify himself and was belligerent and refused to even give his name. Those cops did not know or care whose property they were defending- they were focused only on the attempted break in. Gates got exactly the same treatment as any other suspected felon and ought to be grateful the cops are doing their duty in guarding HIS property!
Gates was the author of his own misfortune and for him or Obama to say otherwise is clear proof that too many black people do not understand their rights and civil obligations!
Because you're clearly too stupid to comprehend.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
-- Robert A. Heinlein
Are you sure he's not just 'pissing and moaning' about the ones who benefit while refusing to work? Taxslave contributes to the fund, while there's many who don't.
YOU set the parameters. As I said to Hoid below..........(my emphasis). Oh, and I called it correctly....just watch those goal posts go! lol
So now you want to cherry pick and include only Canada and the ten countries of western Europe, eliminating the 200 or so other nations on earth.
Man, them goal posts move quickly.
What is "pathetic" is your silly reply, and your attempt to limit the debate in your favour.
So, you want to cherry pick nations on the basis of their wealth.
Kind of elitist, isn't it? And you a progressive. tch tch.
BTW, if poverty is the moving force behind homicide, why are we arguing about guns?
To be fair, you cherry pick as well, denying gun possession to the mentally ill and discharged felons, despite the fact that they are denied no other Bill of Rights rights.
