Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

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I suspect Albertans have a helluva lot more guns than the people in the lower BC mainland, and know a lot more about how to use them, so go ahead, soldier boy.
A perfect example of the white nationalist climate change denier level of maturity.

Trudeau, if he had an intellect "deeper than a finger bowl" would disallow the Alberta legislation allowing them to shut off the oil taps.......and then disallow any BC legislation hampering bitumen shipments through pipelines.
It isn't up to the Prime Minister to disallow laws.

That would be up to the Supreme Court and have no worries, they will disallow any law that Alberta cobbles together that is contrary to the Constitution and/or common law and tradition.

IF only the world worked the way that white nationalist climate change deniers saw it.

As far as the Port of Vancouver goes - this port and in fact the Burranrd inlet in general is not suitable for oil tanker traffic.

Cannot handle the modern size tankers at all.

So Alberta is stuck with trying to pretend that they are sending oil to China in 500K tankers to compete with lower cost producers who are shipping in there in modern 2M carriers.

The whole fiction is barely holding together.
 

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Court throws out Trans Mountain pipeline challenge from City of Vancouver and Squamish Nation

B.C.'s Supreme Court has dismissed legal challenges to Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain expansion project from the City of Vancouver and the Squamish Nation.
In a pair of rulings issued Thursday morning, Justice Christopher Grauer found the province of British Columbia acted reasonably in issuing an environmental assessment certificate to the company.
As Grauer pointed out in his opening remarks to both cases, the decisions are not the end of the legal hurdles facing the pipeline. They dealt strictly with the question of whether the province could defend its actions in light of the National Energy Board's approval of the project.
"This case is not about whether the TMX [Trans Mountain expansion project] should or should not go ahead. It is not about whether the TMX is in the national interest, or presents an unacceptable risk of environmental harm," Grauer wrote.
"This case is not about the adequacy of the consultation that was undertaken through the National Energy Board [NEB] and federal cabinet processes, nor does it resolve or define beyond currently settled law the constitutional limits on what either British Columbia or Alberta can or cannot do in relation to the project." The Trans Mountain expansion would triple the amount of oil being transferred from Alberta to the Kinder Morgan terminal in Burnaby, B.C. The number of oil tankers in the water would also increase to 35 from five each month.
The City of Vancouver claimed that in reviewing the Trans Mountain project, the province failed to engage in proper consultation and failed to conduct a proper environmental assessment. For its part, the Squamish Nation argued the province should have done a further assessment to make up for what it maintained was a "fundamental failure of the process of consultation and accommodation" by the NEB.

Limitations of the ruling

In regard to the Vancouver case, Grauer went to great pains to clarify what questions his court could and could not answer. He said the current provincial government's challenge to the federal government's authority was not part of the litigation before him, nor was the decision of the federal cabinet to approve the project.
"Did [the province] follow the law? Did it act with procedural fairness? Did it act reasonably and in compliance with its own statutory processes?" Grauer asked.
"These are the questions that the courts are equipped to answer, subject always to the considerable constraints imposed by the standards of review that the courts are obliged to employ."
As far as the concerns of the Squamish Nation are concerned, Grauer noted that the Federal Appeal Court is currently considering the adequacy of the NEB's Aboriginal consultation.
But the judge concluded that "adequate consultation did not require British Columbia to correct any perceived shortfall in the NEB process."
He said the province "considered the options constitutionally open to it, and proceeded accordingly."
"There is no doubt that Squamish is deeply disappointed in the approval of the TMX notwithstanding the conditions attached to that approval. It strenuously opposed the project and continues to do so," Grauer wrote.
"But ... I must concern myself not with the result but with the process."
On Thursday, the City of Burnaby also filed another action with the Federal Court of Appeal, asking for a judicial review of the energy's board's approval of the pipeline route. It argued the construction would do serious damage to many areas of the city.

Squamish Nation reacts

A posting on Facebook says the Squamish First Nation had just received the decision and was disappointed. But spokesperson Khelsilem pointed out that the decision was only about provincial approval and that the First Nation is also part of the challenge in the Federal Court of Appeal.
"We have a right to practice our culture, our way of life, and to continue our right to self-determination in our territories," Khelsilem wrote. "This is a right that we have never surrendered, and it is a right we will continue to defend."
The City of Vancouver also released a statement saying it was "disappointed" with the decision.

B.C. Attorney General David Eby said both cases involved decisions made by the previous Liberal government, but the NDP government still argued that the provincial Crown had fulfilled its legal duty to consult the Squamish Nation.
"Our government has taken a balanced approach to defending our environment and our economy while fulfilling our legal obligations and respecting the rule of law," Eby said.
The province took no position on the merits of the Vancouver claim.
Kinder Morgan said it was pleased with the court's decision.
Meanwhile, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley said she was happy to see at least one legal hurdle fall.
"This pipeline is unlike any other in that it has been rigorously reviewed, meaningful consultation has taken place and it is paired with an effective climate protection plan," she said in a statement.
"The failures of the past will not be repeated. The government of Alberta will not stop fighting until we get the job done. We will get this pipeline built."
Both parties have 30 days to appeal. Vancouver said it is considering its options.
Grauer has also ordered the City of Vancouver to pay Trans Mountain's legal costs for fighting the city's petition.

Why doesn't Squamish Nation have to pay back court costs?
 

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Trudeau, if he had an intellect "deeper than a finger bowl" would disallow the Alberta legislation allowing them to shut off the oil taps.......and then disallow any BC legislation hampering bitumen shipments through pipelines.

Trudeau is a total idiot.
 

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Contingency is in place. The deadline is moot.

A very costly contingency...wonder how much is it going to cost the government (ie. taxpayers) to buy the existing pipeline from KM, the pipeline right of way, the terminals and the existing management team? Maybe KM will give us a deal...maybe.
 

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A very costly contingency...wonder how much is it going to cost the government (ie. taxpayers) to buy the existing pipeline from KM, the pipeline right of way, the terminals and the existing management team? Maybe KM will give us a deal...maybe.

It'll go 3P.
 

petros

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A good investment for Saskatchewan Pension Plan.

Why not? How do you think Pipelines work? Oil companies buy capacity in the pipeline to move their product to their sale destination.
Port of Vancouver is the FOB for Billions and Billions of tonnes of GMO.

What would GMO barley do to the salmon?

Frankensalmon?
 

Gilgamesh

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You're wrong.
He is not wrong. Only JT's lack of balls has prevented the pipeline being built.

To date, B.C (& vancouver) have lost 14 cases against the Feds-Feds-yet Ottawa still hasn't had the guts to build it,

This country is so badly organized we couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery.

In addition it sends a clear message to companies wbo might want to invest in Canada.

Don't bother.