Tesla's electric cars aren't as green as you might think

gopher

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Yet some of you remain silent about the donkeys that pulled the trolley cars up those hills in San Francisco.

Who mourns for them?


Wasn't that before the Civil War?

In any case, they should have torn down the mountains - that would have made things more convenient for everyone :)
 

petros

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Poor me? Because I read what I post?

From the OP:

Rare metals only exist in tiny quantities and inconvenient places—so you have to move a lot of earth to get just a little bit. In the Jiangxi rare earth mine in China, Abraham writes, workers dig eight-foot holes and pour ammonium sulfate into them to dissolve the sandy clay. Then they haul out bags of muck and pass it through several acid baths; what’s left is baked in a kiln, leaving behind the rare earths required by everything from our phones to our Teslas.

At this mine, those rare earths amounted to 0.2 percent of what gets pulled out of the ground. The other 99.8 percent—now contaminated with toxic chemicals—is dumped back into the environment. That damage is difficult to quantify, just like the impact of oil drilling.
 

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Wasn't that before the Civil War?

In any case, they should have torn down the mountains - that would have made things more convenient for everyone :)

No, 1889. It was easier to fill the valleys than move mountains. The idea of improvements and levelling was nixed by Grover Cleveland. He wanted grapes.
 

Bar Sinister

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If you're planning on buying one, expect delivery in maybe 10 years... His company still can't deliver on teh preorders from a couple of years back



Yeah, good point 'cause we all know that the rare earths, metals, plastics and elements needed EVs self-extract themselves from the Earth and leap into the cars already put together for assembly.

.. Glad you brought up that critical difference there bud

Maybe you could buy one of these. In a few years you might not have a choice.
All-Electric Vehicles For Sale In USA (2017 & 2018 Model Years)


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/01/07/electric-vehicles-for-sale-usa/

And then there is this good news. Got any more straws to clutch?

Electric Cars May Rule the World’s Roads by 2040



https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/09/electric-cars-replace-gasoline-engines-2040/
 

petros

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Wow "may"... In those 22 years how many more internal combustion engines will hit the streets?

Maybe you could buy one of these. In a few years you might not have a choice.
All-Electric Vehicles For Sale In USA (2017 & 2018 Model Years)


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/01/07/electric-vehicles-for-sale-usa/

And then there is this good news. Got any more straws to clutch?

Electric Cars May Rule the World’s Roads by 2040



https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/09/electric-cars-replace-gasoline-engines-2040/

So...what do you owe me for your wager you lost?
 

mentalfloss

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Maybe you could buy one of these. In a few years you might not have a choice.
All-Electric Vehicles For Sale In USA (2017 & 2018 Model Years)


https://cleantechnica.com/2018/01/07/electric-vehicles-for-sale-usa/

And then there is this good news. Got any more straws to clutch?

Electric Cars May Rule the World’s Roads by 2040



https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/09/electric-cars-replace-gasoline-engines-2040/


The guy thinks oil subsidies are a hoax.

That's the level of stupid you're dealing with here.

More good news for electric cars. Batteries a problem? Don't like the fact that lithium batteries require rare earths? Then the future is probably one of these.

A Massachusetts Company Claims to Be Close to a Solid-State Battery

https://futurism.com/massachusetts-solid-state-battery-company/

Keep knocking him out.
 

gopher

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No, 1889. It was easier to fill the valleys than move mountains. The idea of improvements and levelling was nixed by Grover Cleveland. He wanted grapes.



I think he caused the Panic of 1893 and failed to improve the economy. That's why the Grange Movement and Coxey's Army opposed him so much. This, in turn, led to the re-emergence of the Republican party.

I'd rather have infrastructure improvement rather than grapes.
 

petros

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My neighbour claims he has a 1.21 Gwh Flux Capacitor.

TKO

I hope he doesn't get shot by the CIA like the guy who invented to 70mpg carburetor.

I'd rather have infrastructure improvement rather than grapes.

Traffic congestion is nasty. Even with electric cars, congestion is still an energy gobbler.
 

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No. He found a hole full of damaged electrons. And holes, as in SS holes one finds in silicone or germanium.

Hills and mountains are solid state. In that environment, holes move and electrons don't. Tony left his heart there, metaphorically speaking, to plug a hole.
 

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Bar Sinister

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The guy thinks oil subsidies are a hoax.

That's the level of stupid you're dealing with here.



Keep knocking him out.

It's fun poking him. I don't expect him to ever admit he's wrong; even though by now even he should be able to read the writing in the wall. But then again he could be a flat-earther.

Wow "may"... In those 22 years how many more internal combustion engines will hit the streets?



So...what do you owe me for your wager you lost?


I don't recall a wager about anything. But since mass produced cars are already on the streets I would guess you have already lost if that is what you are talking about.

Solyndra

'Nuff said


Oil industry - enough said.

Really? A different type of pollution is a better type of pollution?

How about less pollution? If there is a more destructive industry on earth than the extraction of fossil fuels I've yet to here about it.