Trumps win is major defeat for Christian Right

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Many evangelical Christian leaders, both progressive and conservative, express profound, faith-based opposition to Donald Trump.


But the reasons for our opposition mainly differ. This difference is often lost on outside observers.

Progressive evangelicals mainly worry over Donald Trump’s xenophobia and bigotry, considering these a violation of core Christian moral values. Conservative evangelicals mainly worry over Trump’s disinterest in a conservative Christian social policy agenda, also believed to be at the heart of Christian moral values. (Both worry over his character and temperament.)

One way to tell the difference between these two kinds of opposition is to consider our conflicting reactions to the departure of Ted Cruz from the presidential race.

As a progressive evangelical Christian, there was very little about Ted Cruz or his platform that appealed to me. I thought Senator Cruz was one of the most effective Christian Right/social conservative Republican candidates for president to be seen since the rise of the Christian Right in the late 1970s. The script was old; the messenger was new, and ruthlessly effective. He did much, much better than the other Christian Right candidates on offer in 2016, including Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum.

That Christian Right script is worth recalling, if only to consider its contrast to the message of Donald Trump:

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Trump victory marks major defeat for Christian Right agenda | Religion News Service
 

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God is never defeated.
God also don't give a crap about secular politics.

Seriously, Walter. I ain't a believer myself, but I learned about this. God's truth is eternal, never-changing, and for God's sake (that's a little joke) not influenced by or concerned with the occupant of the White House for the next 4 years.
 

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The reason Trump won is because, for all his outlandish political incorrectness, he speaks the truth about politicians and the sheep who continually vote because they believe what they know to be an outright lie. Hillary Clinton is espousing, "We want to break down barriers not build them!" Really? You guys are buying that? America elected its first black President because it wanted real changesince then race relations are worse, the war in the mid east continues with drone attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq ramped up and a new front in Syria.

Those who are gravitating toward Trump are sick of the status quo. Sure, he says some crazy stuff.

But Trump's rise is a testament to the peoples indifference to being told what to say and think.

He might be a clown, but no more a jester than the teeny bopper we got running Canada.
 

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If Hillary wins the Democrat nomination or whatever it's called, it'll be an interesting election. The choice between a billionaire businessman and a professional politician who is firmly in the back pockets of big business.
 

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In economic terms the 'Christian Right' these days means the Evangelical political agenda. It has been cynically used by Free Market forces to lock up a voter demographic to which they have no real allegiance. They pay lip service only to issues Life and faith.

The economics are primarily defined by the rigid, reductive logic of Calvinism which involves radical forms of libertarianism and inertia formed of concepts of predestination and the divine providence of material wealth and of its market processes.. which is not to be usurped by government. Cruz was completely besotted by this idol worship.

If you want to find out what real Christian Economics is about look up Distributism in Wiki which was developed by Catholic intellectuals in the early 20th century to counter the slavery and depravities of Free Market Capitalism and promote responsible Free Enterprise. The two are polar opposites.

As far as the social agenda goes.. Trump has stated he is against abortion, for traditional marriage.. and i have no reason to doubt that. He's certainly not ideologically attached to the Cult of Death as is Hillary.
 
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After years of lecturing everyone about right and wrong and “family values” and attempting to statutorily impose their own beliefs on America, Christian fundamentalists are now shocked to find out that they’ve been abandoned by pretty much everyone, including the Republican party. Katie Zezima reports on fundie dysphoria in the wake of Donald Trump’s ascension to titular head of the Republican party.

“In a sense, we feel abandoned by our party,” [Pastor Gary] Fuller said. “There’s nobody left.”

“This year” may turn out to be a gross underestimation of the cultural change that’s taking place within the GOP and America, frankly.

Trump and his followers have mostly rejected the notion that they need to embrace the fundamentalist agenda in order to win and—perhaps more to the point—that winning on fundie terms is even worth it.

Ted Cruz’s failure to convert his demonization of transgender individuals into votes in Indiana wasn’t simply a local miscalculation, it was fundamental misunderstanding of where the nationwide electorate stands on LGBTQ issues. While the public is still learning about gay and transgender people, voters seem less vulnerable to “the sky is falling” messages that social conservatives employed with same-sex marriage, for instance.

As a poll found this week a new CNN/ORC poll 57 percent of Americans oppose mandating which bathrooms transgender individuals should use and 75 percent support equal protection laws for transgender Americans in jobs, housing, and public accommodations.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...33991e-130f-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html
 

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If Hillary wins the Democrat nomination or whatever it's called, it'll be an interesting election. The choice between a billionaire businessman and a professional politician who is firmly in the back pockets of big business.

If Hillary wins? It is already a done deal. It was in the bag before the primaries started.
 

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Many evangelical Christian leaders, both progressive and conservative, express profound, faith-based opposition to Donald Trump.


But the reasons for our opposition mainly differ. This difference is often lost on outside observers.

Progressive evangelicals mainly worry over Donald Trump’s xenophobia and bigotry, considering these a violation of core Christian moral values. Conservative evangelicals mainly worry over Trump’s disinterest in a conservative Christian social policy agenda, also believed to be at the heart of Christian moral values. (Both worry over his character and temperament.)

One way to tell the difference between these two kinds of opposition is to consider our conflicting reactions to the departure of Ted Cruz from the presidential race.

As a progressive evangelical Christian, there was very little about Ted Cruz or his platform that appealed to me. I thought Senator Cruz was one of the most effective Christian Right/social conservative Republican candidates for president to be seen since the rise of the Christian Right in the late 1970s. The script was old; the messenger was new, and ruthlessly effective. He did much, much better than the other Christian Right candidates on offer in 2016, including Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum.

That Christian Right script is worth recalling, if only to consider its contrast to the message of Donald Trump:

here

Trump victory marks major defeat for Christian Right agenda | Religion News Service

Most of the free world is not concerned with what a few religious wingnuts think.

God is never defeated.

So after two hundred years of obummer in the white house you still believe in gawd? Should be proof enough even for you there ain't no such thing.