Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!

Tonington said:

The people who weren't buying insurance but needed healthcare were costing tax payers money, money that the US can't afford. The prices are going down in Democrat states, states that have no partisan reason to see a Democratic President's signature legislation fail. If you want something to be a failure, it's fairly easy to make that happen...

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People that need healthcare are still being forced to buy it and in the absence of having that healthcare, they will still get treatment but might also face a fine on top of it all for not having a plan in place.

A number of companies (industries) are also changing the way that they do business to take advantage of loopholes in the Obamacare system... Downsizing to get their staff population of full timers below 100 or moving people into part-time positions. The onus is now on the individual rather than the company to secure their insurance.

I think that you might be under the impression that the present system in the USA is closer to the Canadian experience... That is not the case

America needs to create comprehensive healthcare, and then legalize twelve million illegal aliens who will overwhelm the health care system. Smart move if one is a leftist.

BaalsTears said:

Becoming an Obamacare Navigator is a wonderful way of committing Identity Theft because there are no restrictions on who can be a Navigator. No background checks, no bonding requirements, no licensing.

Navigators can steal identities with impunity.

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And where did you get that info from?

It appears the States have set the rules regarding background checks etcetera so if there is a failure, they will be the ones who screwed up..........




Grants for Obamacare 'navigators' made in hostile territory



The administration has announced grants totaling $67 million to 105 groups, organizations that will be hiring "navigators" for
Obamacare in the 34 states in which the federal government is setting up health insurance exchanges.http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/hhs-obamacare-navigators-95575.html

And, of course, there's more. In at least 19 of these Republican states, where the grants are going, lawmakers have seen another opportunity for sabotage. They don't think people should have help getting affordable health insurance and they also apparently think the would-be navigators shouldn't have jobs. They've enacted restrictions and extra requirements for navigator training and licensing and to make the job as difficult as possible by restricting what the navigators can tell the people they're helping.


What's the status of navigator requirements in states with federally facilitated exchanges?

To date, at least 19 states with federally facilitated exchanges have enacted, or are currently considering, legislation that imposes state-specific requirements on navigators. Of these, 14—Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin—have already passed such legislation. An additional five states—Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania—are currently considering pending legislation or have sent such legislation to the governor to be signed.


Most of the bills require a navigator to obtain state licensure or approval before operating in the state. Many also establish training requirements, require criminal background checks, and authorize disciplinary measures against navigators. Some bills also subject navigators to existing insurance law (such as privacy and unfair trade practices standards) or require navigators to secure financial protection against wrongdoing.

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Will State Laws Hinder Federal Marketplaces Outreach - The Commonwealth Fund


Some Republican members of Congress are refusing to help constituents get information about health insurance through the Affordable Care Act, even though that's what they and their staffs get paid to do. Question is...is it an ethics violation?


Does Refusing To Help Constituents With Obamacare Cross An Ethical Line? | TPMDC

BaalsTears said:

America needs to create comprehensive healthcare, and then legalize twelve million illegal aliens who will overwhelm the health care system. Smart move if one is a leftist.

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Reformers have tried for years to create universal health care coverage before Bush opened the borders to illegals. Had reform been created beforehand and if the borders had been sealed this would never have happened.

gopher said:

...Bush opened the borders to illegals...

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Can you prove Bush OPENED the borders to illegals?

I want all the American members of CC to PM me with their real names, addresses, phone numbers and social security numbers. But the American members won't do so because they are afraid I'll steal their identities.

However, it is less likely that I will steal their identities than it is that a Navigator will do so. Nevertheless, the American members will give their vital information to unscreened and unbounded Navigators. Roll the dice.

Can you prove Bush OPENED the borders to illegals?

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We've discussed this only a couple of dozen times before so I suggest you click on search for proof.

gopher said:

Reformers have tried for years to create universal health care coverage before Bush opened the borders to illegals. Had reform been created beforehand and if the borders had been sealed this would never have happened.

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petros said:

My mom says she heard all this same crap when Saskatchewan became the first in Nor Am to have universal healthcare but none of what the fear mongers claimed came true.

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Some money grubbers lost some profit.

That is the real problem.

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can you prove bush opened the borders to illegals?

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Georgia insurance official gleeful about Obamacare sabotage..............


“Let me tell you what we’re doing (about ObamaCare),” Georgia Insurance Commissioner Ralph Hudgens bragged to a crowd of fellow Republicans : “Everything in our power to be an obstructionist.”

After pausing to let applause roll over him, a grinning Hudgens went on to give an example of that obstructionist behavior, this one involving so-called “navigators” who are being hired to guide customers through the process of buying health insurance , set up under the federal program.

“We have passed a law that says that a navigator, which is a position in that exchange, has to be licensed by our Department of Insurance,” Hudgens said. “The ObamaCare law says that we cannot require them to be an insurance agent, so we said fine, we’ll just require them to be a licensed navigator. So we’re going to make up the test, and basically you take the insurance agent test, you erase the name, you write ‘navigator test’ on it.”

Hudgens clearly thought that was a pretty cute way for state officials to obstruct and delay implementation of the program and to ensure that it doesn’t work well for Georgians. Judging from their reaction, his audience thought so too. The question is why he thinks such steps are necessary.

After all, if ObamaCare is the looming disaster that he and other Republicans claim it will be, wouldn’t it be wiser to simply step back and let it fail on its own lack of merits? Why must it be undermined through active, direct — and thanks to Hudgens, now candidly confessed — sabotage on the part of state officials?

Other state insurance commissioners, for example, have used their authority to try to lower premiums on policies that will be offered through the exchanges. Hudgens’ comments make it clear that he has no interest whatsoever in such actions. If Georgians have to pay higher rates as a result, that is an outcome that apparently he would proudly applaud if it makes ObamaCare more unpopular.

Why would you take pride in making it harder for Georgians with pre-existing conditions to get the insurance coverage that had previously been denied to them, and that might save them from potential bankruptcy or even death?

Why would you block the federal government from offering Medicaid coverage to more than 600,000 lower-income Georgia citizens, coverage that would allow them to compensate hospitals and doctors now forced to treat them for free?

Why refuse to educate uninsured Georgians on the fact that they will soon be eligible for subsidies to help them pay for health insurance, as other states are doing?


The answer is two-fold: Obsession and fear.

The obsession is all-too-easily documented. In Washington, House Republicans have held 40 separate votes — every single one of them clearly futile — to try to repeal all or part of ObamaCare. A large part of the conservative base is demanding that party leaders force a shutdown of government this fall rather than allow ObamaCare to be implemented, and when House Speaker John Boehner tries to explain the damage that tactic would do to their party, he has been rewarded with threats to relabel the program BoehnerCare.



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Ga. insurance chief brags about sabotage of ObamaCare | Jay Bookman | www.ajc.com

Shocker of the day: Ted Cruz lies about Obamacare




Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-FL) first ad of the 2016 presidential campaign attempt to whip up grassroots support for his increasingly unpopular defund Obamacare campaign. True to the teabagger audience Cruz is aiming for, this ad is as full of lies as every other attack they've made on the law.


The Washington Post's fact checker counts the ways.

tay said:

Shocker of the day: Ted Cruz lies about Obamacare




Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-FL) first ad of the 2016 presidential campaign attempt to whip up grassroots support for his increasingly unpopular defund Obamacare campaign. True to the teabagger audience Cruz is aiming for, this ad is as full of lies as every other attack they've made on the law.


The Washington Post's fact checker counts the ways.

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I'm not surprised Senator Cruz doesn't like Obamacare. Being as he's Canadian, he'd probably rather see a single-payer system.

If Obamacare is so great, why have the politicians exempted themselves from it? I find that rather strange, don't cha' think??

tay said:

Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-FL) first ad of the 2016 presidential campaign attempt to whip up grassroots support for his increasingly unpopular defund Obamacare campaign. True to the teabagger audience Cruz is aiming for, this ad is as full of lies as every other attack they've made on the law.


The Washington Post's fact checker counts the ways.

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You expected the WP to support Cruz?

Tecumsehsbones said:

I'm not surprised Senator Cruz doesn't like Obamacare. Being as he's Canadian, he'd probably rather see a single-payer system.

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He has never said he supports single-payer but your superior intellect keeps getting in the way of the facts

Dixie Cup said:

If Obamacare is so great, why have the politicians exempted themselves from it? I find that rather strange, don't cha' think??

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I don't think Obamacare is "so great." I think it's a massive, unearned payday for the medical and insurance industries, and I've opposed it from its first proposal to now.

I am, however, disappointed that the Republicans choose to fight Obamacare on the basis of lies and demagoguery, rather than address its obvious and overwhelming flaws. It seems their real goal isn't to stop Obamacare, it's to win a fight.

Walter said:

You expected the WP to support Cruz?

He has never said he supports single-payer but your superior intellect keeps getting in the way of the facts

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As does your staggering stupidity, dear.

Tecumsehsbones said:

I don't think Obamacare is "so great." I think it's a massive, unearned payday for the medical and insurance industries, and I've opposed it from its first proposal to now.

I am, however, disappointed that the Republicans choose to fight Obamacare on the basis of lies and demagoguery, rather than address its obvious and overwhelming flaws. It seems their real goal isn't to stop Obamacare, it's to win a fight.

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Obamacare isn't so great which is why it was rejected in the past.

It is basically what was the right wings response to Hillary Care, which they didn't want either and the only winners are, as you point out, the medical and insurance industry...........



“I noted the irony of a Republican idea being the source of Republican opposition,” said Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress


It can be difficult to remember now, given the ferocity with which many Republicans assail it as an attack on freedom, but the provision in President Obama’s health care law requiring all Americans to buy health insurance has its roots in conservative thinking.


The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.

The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals — like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.

“In 1993, in fighting ‘Hillarycare,’ virtually every conservative saw the mandate as a less dangerous future than what Hillary was trying to do,” Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House, said at a debate in December, casting his past support of a mandate as an antidote to the health care overhaul proposed by Hillary Rodham Clinton during her husband’s administration.

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The claim that "Hillary care" is tantamount to "socialized medicine" does not stand up to serious examination. The Clinton health care plan has more in common with the Massachusetts plan signed into law by Governor Mitt Romney than the British National Health system.

Fact Checker - 'Hillary Care' and 'Socialized Medicine'




Neither Clinton nor Obama are being fully candid about the gaps in their health care proposals. Neither plan truly provides for "universal" coverage, although Clinton's proposal probably comes somewhat closer to reaching this goal than Obama's.

Fact Checker - Clinton vs. Obama on Health Care

tay said:

Obamacare isn't so great which is why it was rejected in the past.

It is basically what was the right wings response to Hillary Care, which they didn't want either and the only winners are, as you point out, the medical and insurance industry...........

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Yes, of course.

Though I wouldn't expect you to agree to my proposal for health care either.

I was just pointing out, with considerable amusement, that the right-wingers on this board have decided I'm a shrieking liberal, and therefore ascribe to me a whole sheaf of positions and beliefs that I do not hold.

It's an exercise in personal realities, and it's instructive in pondering why we spend so much time shouting past each other instead of communicating. It's because in the minds of people who are only able to think in broad and inaccurate categories, the "you" that they honestly believe exists has almost nothing in common with the "you" that actually exists.

This example is right-wing, but please believe the left wing is no better. And sadly, the wings get all the attention, mostly because "screaming at the top of their lungs" appears to be their only mode of discourse.

They only 'oppose it' because they named it 'Obamacare' to tie it to him in case they are successful in getting it to somehow fail.

Now the Republicans are running around trying to (no pun intended) spook the unknowing.

But at the end of the day I do have to snicker at those that 'follow their Political Conservative leaders' in denouncing Obamacare when those same Politicians, have the Cadillac of Health Care paid by those same taxpayers.

Good luck suckers.........




A refusal to accept Medicaid expansion funding under Obamacare will probably result in higher health insurance premiums. At least that's the case for Texas.



GOP lawmakers, strongly encouraged by Gov. Rick Perry, decided not to add poor adults to Medicaid’s rolls. That means about 1.3 million fewer Texans will have health coverage by 2016 than if the federal Affordable Care Act were fully implemented in the state, according to the study by the nonprofit research organization Rand Corp.

About 320,000 adult Texans just above the poverty line will take advantage of the Affordable Care Act’s federal subsidies and buy coverage in the individual insurance market, the researchers said. Those are people who would have been enrolled in Medicaid as the federal law was written and before that part of it was altered by a Supreme Court ruling.

The study said that because low-income people generally are not as healthy as wealthier people, their inclusion in private health insurance exchanges will increase costs. That will force a 9.3 percent increase in premiums for all 3 million Texans who will be enrolled in the individual market by 2016, the study said.


Study says Texas premiums will rise with Medicaid expansion opposition | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News

If it were like Canada, it would be run by individual States, Regional Health Districts and Counties. Now that is truly Socialist Health Care.

I don't follow this Obamcare debate. Is it anything close to Socialist like we are?