Quantum Entanglement

karrie

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I recently saw an episode of 'Weird or What' that discussed serendipity, coincidence, those odd little statistically improbable occurences that take place, and it raised the issue of quantum entanglement. A physics professor they had on the program discussed his theory that quantum entanglement may apply on a scale much larger than simply the atomic level, that lives brushing up against one another in significant ways can then become linked, and will impact one another as they move through life. I found it an intriguing idea, given many of the occurences I deal with on a regular basis with no apparent explanation, like my husband's ability to wake me up if he wakes up in the middle of the night.... when he's away working. It's a running joke that he can call, and I can tell him what times he was called out to the rig floor in the middle of the night, because I'd pop wide awake. Other instances occur with great regularity too for me, such as getting a headache and thinking about someone, only to give their home phone a ring on the off chance they're not at work, and finding they've stayed home because they have a massive stress headache, and were needing someone to talk to.

Probably my most notable though was dreaming about my cousin. A vivid, terrible dream, where he was walking away from me, and I was desparate to make him come back and talk. But he wouldn't look at me, just kept walking, looking sad. I screamed and cried for him to come back. But he was gone. I woke up crying, told hubby about it, and was heavy hearted all day, thinking I needed to call him that night when he got home from work. Rarely do people pop into your head (okay my head) like that for no reason. But it was too late. He'd died in a car wreck as I was waking up.

And yes yes, I know the math, I know the statistics and the science often says it's mere coincidence... law of probabilities... but let me tell you it sure doesn't feel like it when you know.
 

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You know of course that the professional skeptics will poopoo the whole idea with relish as they are too stupid and frightened by the unknown to simply say, I don't know.

You have it backwards. A professional skeptic has no problem at all saying I don't know. It's attribution of uncertain causes that pique the skeptical mind. Theories are always interesting to entertain, but the answer remains I don't know about that, until there is some proper evidence.
 

El Barto

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Karrie , little things like that used to happen to me a lot. There are stranger things science can't explain , or should i say yet. I don't believe in coincedences..... we are way more conected than we want to believe.
Skeptics will brush it off as that , a coincedence but when you start doing the probabilities .....it's another story .
 

Dexter Sinister

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Skeptics will brush it off as that , a coincedence but when you start doing the probabilities .....it's another story .
Not really, it's the same story, and not a coincidence at all, it's quite predictable. Extremely low probability events happen all the time, simply because there are so many possible events. We attach significance to some and remember them, and forget the rest, but without data on the rest of them we can't realistically assess the significance of the ones we remember.
 

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You have it backwards. A professional skeptic has no problem at all saying I don't know. It's attribution of uncertain causes that pique the skeptical mind. Theories are always interesting to entertain, but the answer remains I don't know about that, until there is some proper evidence.

A professional skeptic says what the customer requires, every time or there is no pay. Evidence is or it isn't.
 

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There's stuff that can't be explained,no matter how much datta you have to realistically assess the significance,some people have it, some don't.Sometimes it's just odd,sometimes it's scary,if you take it too seriously it can drive you nuts.
 

Tonington

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A professional skeptic says what the customer requires, every time or there is no pay.

No, that would be a stooge, like a scientist hired by tobacco companies. Or one paid by fossil fuel companies. Hence the irony with the term skeptics for those who aren't really skeptical at all.

Evidence is or it isn't.
Only in the dream world is there such certainty, and I might add this isn't a useful or helpful way of looking at things. Maybe the hypothesis only needs to be modified slightly to find the association.
 

darkbeaver

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No, that would be a stooge, like a scientist hired by tobacco companies. Or one paid by fossil fuel companies. Hence the irony with the term skeptics for those who aren't really skeptical at all.

Only in the dream world is there such certainty, and I might add this isn't a useful or helpful way of looking at things. Maybe the hypothesis only needs to be modified slightly to find the association.

No I was correct. A professional skeptic would do exactly as I said, as completely and convincingly argue for or against, as the customer required. And he would of course be a degree bearing stooge preferably. Of which there are several million presently looking for work. They spin stories about toothpaste toilet paper climate guns rat poison screw drivers pills beer you name it they'll lie through their teeth about it, because they're professional stooges and they can.

There's stuff that can't be explained,no matter how much datta you have to realistically assess the significance,some people have it, some don't.Sometimes it's just odd,sometimes it's scary,if you take it too seriously it can drive you nuts.

I think you have a good approach.
 
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Tonington

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No I was correct. A professional skeptic would do exactly as I said, as completely and convincingly argue for or against, as the customer required.
No, you weren't. It violates the definition of skeptic. Smoke some more birch bark beaver, it might bring you round to coherent.
 

darkbeaver

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No, you weren't. It violates the definition of skeptic. Smoke some more birch bark beaver, it might bring you round to coherent.

and they violate the definition of skeptic as well and still get paid , violated definitions are a sign of the times Tonnington, get with the program, if I were coherent what makes you think you could keep up, I have to sedate to get slowed down to you



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pt 3a; and that will be my last contribution to this thread that does not strictly adhere to the OPs subject matter. Why do you always have to turn every thread into a defence of stooges?
 
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karrie

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Karrie , little things like that used to happen to me a lot. There are stranger things science can't explain , or should i say yet. I don't believe in coincedences..... we are way more conected than we want to believe.
Skeptics will brush it off as that , a coincedence but when you start doing the probabilities .....it's another story .

Dex is right, individual instances CAN be explained away with probabilities. But, when it's recurring things like with hubby and my sleep schedules impacting one another from clear across the continent, it goes beyond being able to explain away as improbable events sticking in one's head
 

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How can I trust you?
I'm not asking you to trust me. If I were going to ask anything of you, it would be to make sensible comments.

My god man you have a degree. Science and scientists have very bad reputations these days.
Yes, lots of ignorance. It's easy to fear and smear what you don't understand.
 

darkbeaver

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I'm not asking you to trust me. If I were going to ask anything of you, it would be to make sensible comments.


Yes, lots of ignorance. It's easy to fear and smear what you don't understand.

You are afraid because you don't understand that I understand, understood. I'm beginning to empathize with the inquisition and there problem with Bruno. Now lets return the thread to Karrie and the schedualed program.
 

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I made a discovery about some archeological theory that disproved it. I mentioned it to an archaeologist I know and he said, "Oh ya, we've known that for at least five years." I said, why is it not known by the general public then. he said it takes anywhere from ten to twenty years for information to reach the general public. I am discovering that that seems to be the case with most schools of scientific thought. There is a vested interest of those who receive awards for their "discoveries" to suppress anything that refutes them.

I have mentioned before that quantum physics is proving that there is a correlation between what we think and how we feel and how life is influenced by it. Quantum entanglement does influence our lives but few of us know about it or pay attention to it. But more and more physicists are agreeing that thought, feelings, beliefs and mind set do influence matter, that science is getting closer to proving what the mystics have been saying all along.
 

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... science is getting closer to proving what the mystics have been saying all along.
Sorry Cliffy, those ideas have been around at least since 1975 when Fritjof Capra wrote The Tao of Physics, and they've gained no traction in the scientific community in the 36 years since. That claim is simply not true. Quantum entanglement just doesn't scale up to things the size of us, it happens only under very particular circumstances between pairs of closely interacting quantum particles. Granted there's a lot of deeply counter-intuitive weirdness at the fringes of physics, but there's nothing in it that justifies that claim.
 

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And that is the beauty of science: there are no absolutes. There are quantum physicists who agree with what I said and a bunch that would agree with you. But the only constant in the universe is change. And ten or twenty years from now most sciences will look different than they do today. Some beliefs will be expanded upon and some will be abandoned.
 

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Dex is right, individual instances CAN be explained away with probabilities. But, when it's recurring things like with hubby and my sleep schedules impacting one another from clear across the continent, it goes beyond being able to explain away as improbable events sticking in one's head
Had occurences of being weeks away from home and having both me and the x dreaming of the same subject on the same night....
I think sometimes close ties with someone you may tend to get way more connected .