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May 12th, 2008, 02:27 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
it is also not necessarily preceeded by a "certain kind of the wind". lmao
About the wind that heralds the coming of the rain, see:
"As the cold front passes, the clouds roll by and you may notice that the air temperature is cooler."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/weather/elementsofweatherrev9.shtml
In addition to the link about the cold front
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Example_of_a_cold_front.svg
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"As the cold front passes, the clouds roll by and you may notice that the air temperature is cooler."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/weather/elementsofweatherrev9.shtml
In addition to the link about the cold front
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Example_of_a_cold_front.svg
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http://universeandquran.site.io
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May 12th, 2008, 05:19 PM
Quoting eanassir
The rain comes down from the sky, not from the cloud.
But the hot wind and the cloud will lead to the falling down of the rain.
The origin of the rain is from the water vapor;
because sun-rays fall down on the earth, so that the water of seas and rivers evaporates by the sun heat;
the vapor goes up in the sky, and the vapor particles convert into water particles because of the coldness of the atmosphere in the high altitudes,
and with the continuation of the influence of the coldness on these particles, they change into snow particles which remain scattered in the sky,
then when some of the water vapor again goes up in the sky, and a hot wind comes to drive it under these snow particles scattered in the sky,
then the heat of the wind and the vapor will melt away that snow, so it will fall down as rain.
God - be exalted – said in the Quran, 30: 48
The explanation: (God is He Who looses the winds, and they stir up [and collect] clouds, which He spreads in the sky as He pleases, and makes them as [many] fragments, and you [man] see the [nearby and large] rain drops issue out of the midst of the [clouds] …etc.)
The الوَدْقَ is the rain, which is nearby to the ground.
So, God -be exalted – explained that the rain comes down from among or through the clouds; and it is not the cloud itself that comes down as rain; that is because the hot wind and the cloud will melt away some of the snow particles scattered high in the sky, so that they will fall down as rain, from among the cloud.
God - be exalted - said also in the Quran, 24: 34
The explanation: (Have you not seen how God drives the clouds, then composes them, then converts them into a heaped mass, then you see the rain issuing out of the midst of them?)
The role of the wind:
The explanation: (And We send forth the 'impregnating' winds, and We send down water from the sky)
The interpretation: the wind impregnates or fertilizes the trees; and the wind impregnates the cloud; because the wind carries some dust and smoke particles and when these collides with the snow particles scattered in the atmosphere, this will lead to warming of these snow particles causing the rain formation. [In addition, these particles will act as nuclei around which some water droplets will collect.]
The explanation: (It is He Who looses the winds bearing good-tidings before [,or heralding, the rain which is] His mercy; till, when they are charged with the heavy cloud [they bear the cloud above them], We drive it to a dead land, and therewith send down [, from the sky, rain] water, and bring forth therewith all the fruits …etc.)
the quran is not scientific
Does the rain come down from the cloud?
The rain comes down from the sky, not from the cloud.
But the hot wind and the cloud will lead to the falling down of the rain.
The origin of the rain is from the water vapor;
because sun-rays fall down on the earth, so that the water of seas and rivers evaporates by the sun heat;
the vapor goes up in the sky, and the vapor particles convert into water particles because of the coldness of the atmosphere in the high altitudes,
and with the continuation of the influence of the coldness on these particles, they change into snow particles which remain scattered in the sky,
then when some of the water vapor again goes up in the sky, and a hot wind comes to drive it under these snow particles scattered in the sky,
then the heat of the wind and the vapor will melt away that snow, so it will fall down as rain.
اللهُ الّذي يُرْسِلُ الرِّياحَ فَتُثِيرُ سَحاباً فَيَبْسُطُهُ في السّماءِ كَيْفَ يَشاءُ و يَجْعَلُهُ كِسَفاً فَتَرَى الوَدْقَ يَخْرُجُ مِنْ خِلالِهِ
The الوَدْقَ is the rain, which is nearby to the ground.
So, God -be exalted – explained that the rain comes down from among or through the clouds; and it is not the cloud itself that comes down as rain; that is because the hot wind and the cloud will melt away some of the snow particles scattered high in the sky, so that they will fall down as rain, from among the cloud.
God - be exalted - said also in the Quran, 24: 34
أَ لَمْ تَرَ أنّ اللهَ يُزْجي سَحاباً ثُمَّ يُؤَلِّفُ بَيْنَهُ ثُمَّ يَجْعَلُهُ رُكاماً فَتَرَى الوَدْقَ يَخْرُجُ مِنْ خِلالِهِ
The role of the wind:
- The wind stirs the seas and rivers to evaporate the water, then the water vapor will rise up, then condenses, then water droplets will form, then snow crystals will form, which will stay scattered in the sky.
- The wind drives the cloud, and moves it.
و اللهُ الّذي أرْسَلَ الرِّياحَ فَتُثِيرُ سَحاباً فَسُقْناهُ إلى بَلَدٍ مَيِّتٍ فَأَحْيَيْنا بِهِ الأرْضَ بَعْدَ مَوْتِها
The explanation: (God is He Who looses the winds, and they stir up [and collect] clouds, which We drive to a desolate [: dead] land, and thereby quicken the land, after it is desolate [: dead] …)
- The wind fertilizes [and impregnates] the cloud, by means of the condensation nuclei [because of the dust and smoke particles that the wind carries], and leads to formation of the cloud.
وَأَرْسَلْنَا الرِّيَاحَ لَوَاقِحَ فَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاء مَاء
The explanation: (And We send forth the 'impregnating' winds, and We send down water from the sky)
The interpretation: the wind impregnates or fertilizes the trees; and the wind impregnates the cloud; because the wind carries some dust and smoke particles and when these collides with the snow particles scattered in the atmosphere, this will lead to warming of these snow particles causing the rain formation. [In addition, these particles will act as nuclei around which some water droplets will collect.]
- Then when a hot wind and a new cloud come under the scattered snow; it will melt that scattered snow leading to the falling down of the rain.
- The wind heralds the coming rain.
A cold front is the transition zone where a cold air mass is replacing the warmer air mass. The cold air is following the warm air, and is gradually moving underneath the warmer air. As the warm air is pushed upwards it will bear the cloud over it. Often the rain will fall in a few minutes as the cold front passes. As the cold front passes, the clouds roll by and you may notice that the air temperature is cooler.
This kind of cold air just before the rain is "a bearer of glad tidings of the coming rain", i.e. such cold moist slow moving air will herald the coming rain; so that many of the people will then anticipate the imminent coming of the rain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Example_of_a_cold_front.svg
God - be exalted - said in the Quran, 7: 57This kind of cold air just before the rain is "a bearer of glad tidings of the coming rain", i.e. such cold moist slow moving air will herald the coming rain; so that many of the people will then anticipate the imminent coming of the rain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Example_of_a_cold_front.svg
و هُوَ الّذي يُرْسِلُ الرِّياحَ بُشْرىً بَيْنَ يَدَيْ رَحْمَتِهِ حَتَّى إذا أَقَلَّتْ سَحاباً ثِقالاً سُقْناهُ لِبَلَدٍ مَيِّتٍ فَأنْزَلْنا بِهِ الماءَ فَأَخْرَجْنا بِهِ مِنْ كُلِّ الثّمَراتِ ...الخ
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May 13th, 2008, 01:43 AM
Quoting ShintoMale
Welcome ShintoMale as a new member.
the quran is not scientific
God Who created everything in the universe, knows everything that He created, and He inserted the physical laws of nature, and gave to all objects their criteria.
God is the same that revealed the heavenly books to guide people to the truth.
The Quran, being the last revealed heavenly book, includes many ayat that invite man to contemplate in the nature and universe to see the might of God and increase the faith and belief.
Moreover, it includes a large number of ayat that pertain to different disciplines of knowledge, and that implicate many things were unknown to people at the time of the revelation of the Quran on Mohammed more than 1400 years ago.
The Quran is the miracle of Prophet Mohammed: from the aspect of eloquent language, and from the large number of the scientific ayat that it includes.
God – be glorified – said in the Glorious Quran 13: 12-13
God is the same that revealed the heavenly books to guide people to the truth.
The Quran, being the last revealed heavenly book, includes many ayat that invite man to contemplate in the nature and universe to see the might of God and increase the faith and belief.
Moreover, it includes a large number of ayat that pertain to different disciplines of knowledge, and that implicate many things were unknown to people at the time of the revelation of the Quran on Mohammed more than 1400 years ago.
The Quran is the miracle of Prophet Mohammed: from the aspect of eloquent language, and from the large number of the scientific ayat that it includes.
God – be glorified – said in the Glorious Quran 13: 12-13
هُوَ الَّذِي يُرِيكُمُ الْبَرْقَ خَوْفًا وَطَمَعًا وَيُنْشِئُ السَّحَابَ الثِّقَالَ . وَيُسَبِّحُ الرَّعْدُ بِحَمْدِهِ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ مِنْ خِيفَتِهِ وَيُرْسِلُ الصَّوَاعِقَ فَيُصِيبُ بِهَا مَن يَشَاء وَهُمْ يُجَادِلُونَ فِي اللّهِ وَهُوَ شَدِيدُ الْمِحَالِ
The explanation: (It is He Who shows you the lightning, for fear and hope, and produces the heavy clouds.
The [sound of the] thunder celebrates His praise as do angels, for fear of Him. He sends the thunderbolt to smite therewith whom He will; yet they dispute about God, the while He is Mighty in interference.)
Therefore, He explained here that the lightning, the thunder and the thunderbolt usually accompany the cloud that is heavy with water, which is called the cumulonimbus.
"cumulonimbus (starting low these clouds will extend very high, sometime bringing thunderstorms, often rain or snow)."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/weather/elementsofweatherrev7.shtml
"These drops of condensation form into clouds, gradually becoming tall thunderstorm clouds, called cumulonimbus."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/weather/elementsofweatherrev6.shtml
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The [sound of the] thunder celebrates His praise as do angels, for fear of Him. He sends the thunderbolt to smite therewith whom He will; yet they dispute about God, the while He is Mighty in interference.)
Therefore, He explained here that the lightning, the thunder and the thunderbolt usually accompany the cloud that is heavy with water, which is called the cumulonimbus.
"cumulonimbus (starting low these clouds will extend very high, sometime bringing thunderstorms, often rain or snow)."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/weather/elementsofweatherrev7.shtml
"These drops of condensation form into clouds, gradually becoming tall thunderstorm clouds, called cumulonimbus."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/weather/elementsofweatherrev6.shtml
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May 13th, 2008, 09:32 AM
what causes lightning and thunder has nothing to do with angels praising god
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder
you call this science?
from the QURAN
what causes lightning and thunder has nothing to do with angels praising god
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder
you call this science?
from the QURAN
- Humans created from a single man. 4: 1
- Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) But, in fact, such acts are common in many other species. 7:80-81
- Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred. 7:124
- Humans created from a single man. 7:189
- Joseph saw in a dream eleven planets. Does this mean that according to the Quran there are eleven planets in our solar system? 12:4
- The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90
- Most scholars consider Dhu'l-Qarneyn ("The Two-Horned Lord") to be Alexander the Great, who is here presented as a devout Muslim. 18:83-98
- The Pharaoh threatens to crucify Hebrews on palm tress. (But crucifixion was a Roman form of punishment that was unknown at the time.) 20:71
- Allah created all animals. Some with no legs, some with two, and some with four. (Most animals have six legs. Did Allah forget about the insects?) 24:45
- The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
- "The sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him." 36:38
- "We decked the nether heaven with lamps.">
Allah put "lamps" in the lower heaven to serve as lights. These are the stars that we see in the sky at night. 41:12 - "Who hath created seven heavens ... Canst thou see any rifts?"
Allah asks Muhammed to examine the sky to see if it has any cracks. 67:3 - Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5
- At the end of the world the earth with the mountains will be lifted up and crushed with one crash. 69:14
- "And hath made the moon a light"</I>
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16 - Someday the stars will fall. 81:2
- Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7
- Allah dealt with the owners of the elephant by sending swarms of "flying creatures". 105:1-3
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May 13th, 2008, 10:28 AM
Quoting missile
Your two favorite drugs are not favorite: the cigarette harm is obvious; while some coffee is o. k. but too much coffee has some harmful effect.
just wanted to let you know that i can't be bothered to read all of your nonsense..actually,you are a waste of good broadband.
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May 13th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Moreover, your two favorite drugs are not favorite: the cigarette harm is obvious; while some coffee is o. k. but too much coffee has some harmful effect.
Quoting missile
I want to hear some scientific objection, but not the words of the "nonsense" party.
just wanted to let you know that i can't be bothered to read all of your nonsense..actually,you are a waste of good broadband.
Moreover, your two favorite drugs are not favorite: the cigarette harm is obvious; while some coffee is o. k. but too much coffee has some harmful effect.
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I just ran this by Ron Burgandy & the Channel 4 News team and according to them, the rain comes out of the ficking clouds, not Allah's eyes.
I just ran this by Ron Burgandy & the Channel 4 News team and according to them, the rain comes out of the ficking clouds, not Allah's eyes.
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May 13th, 2008, 03:25 PM
Quoting ShintoMale
Therefore you cried lies, while not relying on sound base, and want others to think for you.
any meterologists here can debate this quran dude?
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May 13th, 2008, 04:19 PM
you are the onw that is letting the wuran think for you. only a dumbass thinks rain comes from the sky rain can only come from clouds. all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90
The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5
"And hath made the moon a light"</I>
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16
Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7
We decked the nether heaven with lamps.">
Allah put "lamps" in the lower heaven to serve as lights. These are the stars that we see in the sky at night. 41:12
Allah created all animals. Some with no legs, some with two, and some with four. (Most animals have six legs. Did Allah forget about the insects?) 24:45
Someday the stars will fall. 81:2
Quoting eanassir
Therefore you cried lies, while not relying on sound base, and want others to think for you.
you are the onw that is letting the wuran think for you. only a dumbass thinks rain comes from the sky rain can only come from clouds. all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90
The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5
"And hath made the moon a light"</I>
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16
Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7
We decked the nether heaven with lamps.">
Allah put "lamps" in the lower heaven to serve as lights. These are the stars that we see in the sky at night. 41:12
Allah created all animals. Some with no legs, some with two, and some with four. (Most animals have six legs. Did Allah forget about the insects?) 24:45
Someday the stars will fall. 81:2
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May 13th, 2008, 05:10 PM
Quoting ShintoMale
all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90
The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90
There are some books compiled against the Glorious Quran, and have been put at certain websites. Such opponents seek after the mysterious ayat of the Quran (the Mutashabih): means the ayat that needs explanation and will be explained in a time that follows the time of Prophet Mohammed; because their minds could not reach to their exact meaning.
This is similar to the saying of Jesus Christ in the Gospel according to John 16: 12 -13
"12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
I shall explain all these by God's help, according to the interpretation of the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
1.The confusion about the sun-set in relation to the Alexander the Great expedition:
About His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 18: 86
This is similar to the saying of Jesus Christ in the Gospel according to John 16: 12 -13
"12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
I shall explain all these by God's help, according to the interpretation of the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
1.The confusion about the sun-set in relation to the Alexander the Great expedition:
About His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 18: 86
حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًا
قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَن تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا
The explanation: (Until when he reached at sun-set [time], he found it setting under the observation of a black woman, and he found with her a people.
We said, “O Zul-qarnain, you have either to punish or to show them kindness.)
The story: When Alexander of Macedon, during his campaigns, reached the West, i.e. to Abyssinia, he found the citizens of that country worshipping the sun, so that they gathered outside the city at the time of sun-set, looked to the sun and sung their religious songs, and when it was about to set down and disappear from sight behind the horizon, they would kneel down and adore the sun, all of them. They had a black queen in front of them, who led them in prayer, and they imitated her prayer to the sun.
The interpretation:
>> (Until when he) i.e. Alexander (reached)
>> (at sun-set [time] ) means: He arrived, at that place, at the time of sun-set.
>> (he found it setting under the observation of a black woman) means: He found a black woman watching the sun, while it was setting. That woman was a queen; and her people were assembling with her.
The meaning: Alexander found a people worshipping the sun at its setting; they had a queen leading them in prayer to the sun; she was adoring and kneeling down to the sun; so that her people were imitating her, and doing the same as was their queen doing.
In Arabic, the word عين was misinterpreted as the ‘water-spring’; while, actually, it means the ‘watching and observation’; as is it mentioned in many instances in the Quran and in the Arab poetry. Examples:
(1)God - be exalted - said in the Quran 11: 37
The story: When Alexander of Macedon, during his campaigns, reached the West, i.e. to Abyssinia, he found the citizens of that country worshipping the sun, so that they gathered outside the city at the time of sun-set, looked to the sun and sung their religious songs, and when it was about to set down and disappear from sight behind the horizon, they would kneel down and adore the sun, all of them. They had a black queen in front of them, who led them in prayer, and they imitated her prayer to the sun.
The interpretation:
>> (Until when he) i.e. Alexander (reached)
>> (at sun-set [time] ) means: He arrived, at that place, at the time of sun-set.
>> (he found it setting under the observation of a black woman) means: He found a black woman watching the sun, while it was setting. That woman was a queen; and her people were assembling with her.
The meaning: Alexander found a people worshipping the sun at its setting; they had a queen leading them in prayer to the sun; she was adoring and kneeling down to the sun; so that her people were imitating her, and doing the same as was their queen doing.
In Arabic, the word عين was misinterpreted as the ‘water-spring’; while, actually, it means the ‘watching and observation’; as is it mentioned in many instances in the Quran and in the Arab poetry. Examples:
(1)God - be exalted - said in the Quran 11: 37
و اصْنَعِ الفُلْكَ بِأعْيُنِنا ووَحْيِنا
The explanation: (But build the Ark under Our observation and as We instruct you by revelation.)
(2)God – be highly exalted - said in the Quran, 54:14
(2)God – be highly exalted - said in the Quran, 54:14
تَجْرِي بِأعْيُنِنا جَزاءً لِمَنْ كانَ كُفِرَ
The explanation: (Which ran [upon the water,] in Our sight, as a reward for him that was rejected ) i.e. under Our watching and observation.
(3)God - be exalted – said also in the Quran, 52: 48
(3)God - be exalted – said also in the Quran, 52: 48
واصْبِرْ لِحُكْمِ رَبِّكَ فَإنَّكَ بِأعْيُنِنا وسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ حِنَ تَقُومُ
The explanation: (So forbear patiently to the commandment of your Lord: for surely you [Mohammed] are under Our observation. And celebrate the praises of your Lord, when you rise up [from sleep.] )
His saying -be exalted - فَإنَّكَ بِأعْيُنِنا i.e. (for surely you [Mohammed] are under Our observation.) means: under Our observation and watching. [The actual Arabic word may lit. mean “Our eyes” and this word has many meanings like the water-springs, and the eye of the needle …etc which has lead to this confusion.]
[Now we continue the interpretation of the Quranic revelation 18: 87-88]
>> (and he found with her a people.) means: Alexander found, with the black woman, a people doing exactly as was she doing, and imitating her in her worship.
>> (We said, “O Zul-qarnain); this is the surname or the title of Alexander.
>> (you have either to punish) these people who are worshipping the sun, if they do not believe in God and resign or submit themselves to Him.
>> (or to show them kindness) if they believe and obey Our order.
Here, the عينin Arabic means the watching, and it does not mean a water-spring. The proof of this lies in His saying -be exalted - in the Quran 18: 91
His saying -be exalted - فَإنَّكَ بِأعْيُنِنا i.e. (for surely you [Mohammed] are under Our observation.) means: under Our observation and watching. [The actual Arabic word may lit. mean “Our eyes” and this word has many meanings like the water-springs, and the eye of the needle …etc which has lead to this confusion.]
[Now we continue the interpretation of the Quranic revelation 18: 87-88]
>> (and he found with her a people.) means: Alexander found, with the black woman, a people doing exactly as was she doing, and imitating her in her worship.
>> (We said, “O Zul-qarnain); this is the surname or the title of Alexander.
>> (you have either to punish) these people who are worshipping the sun, if they do not believe in God and resign or submit themselves to Him.
>> (or to show them kindness) if they believe and obey Our order.
Here, the عينin Arabic means the watching, and it does not mean a water-spring. The proof of this lies in His saying -be exalted - in the Quran 18: 91
حَتّى إذا بَلَغَ مَطْلِعَ الشّمْسِ وَجَدَها تَطْلُعُ عَلَى قَوْمٍ لَمْ نَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِها سِتْراً
The explanation: (Until when he reached at sun-rising [time], he found it rise upon a people for whom We made no shelter therefrom.)
So, if the عينmeant a water-spring, then God – be glorified – would say: ‘he found it rise from a water-spring!’ But the meaning is: He found it set down for a people having such a description; and rise upon a people having such a description.
Therefore, God - be exalted – meant by that to describe the people, and not to describe the sun.
[ This also is the meaning of the word in the Arab poetry, some of which is mentioned by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, in his Arabic book.]
See more details at this link: Sun
And see there the Question 5 and its answer.
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So, if the عينmeant a water-spring, then God – be glorified – would say: ‘he found it rise from a water-spring!’ But the meaning is: He found it set down for a people having such a description; and rise upon a people having such a description.
Therefore, God - be exalted – meant by that to describe the people, and not to describe the sun.
[ This also is the meaning of the word in the Arab poetry, some of which is mentioned by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, in his Arabic book.]
See more details at this link: Sun
And see there the Question 5 and its answer.
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May 13th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Quoting ShintoMale
all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
This aya is about the monotheism: that God has no associate or equal.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 27: 61
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 27: 61
أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا وَجَعَلَ لَهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ الْبَحْرَيْنِ حَاجِزًا أَإِلَهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation: ([Are their associates, whom they associate with God, better] or is He Who made the earth for a 'habitation and settlement', and made rivers [to flow] through its [mountains and valleys], and made [mountains] that landed on it, and placed a partition between the two seas? Is there [then] any god beside God? No, but [actually] the most of them do not realize [the truth; because they only imitate their fathers.])
The interpretation: He prepared the earth for you, to dwell and settle on it.
The interpretation: He prepared the earth for you, to dwell and settle on it.
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May 13th, 2008, 06:03 PM
Quoting ShintoMale
all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
God – be glorified – revealed the Quran, with two categories of revelations:
1. The Muhkam: that is the plain straightforward revelations: like those concerning the prayer, fasting and other religious rites. God challenged the Arab and all man-kind and demon-kind to bring about an analogue of it.
2. The Mutashabih: that is "similitudes"or the ambiguous revelations, which are like puzzles, that constituted a challenge to people to solve such puzzles and know their secret meaning; like the letters at the beginning of the sooras or chapters of the Quran, and many other revelations including many scientific implication that people in the past did not know, and will appear by time, and most of them will be interpreted by the Paraclite/Mahdi.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 3: 7
هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءتَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ ...
The explanation: ([God] is He Who has revealed to you [Prophet] the Book [: the Quran] some of which being 'precise' aya's; they are the essence of the Book, [whereas] others being 'similitudes'. But those, in whose hearts is a deviation [from the truth]; these follow the 'similitudes' therein: seeking to seduce [people and turn them away], and seeking to interpret it. But none but God [only] does know its interpretation …)
Some misfortunate men, in whose hearts is deviation, chose to be against God and His revealed Quran, and go after such revelations to seduce people by misleading them and giving them false meaning, specially people who do not know Arabic.
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May 13th, 2008, 06:25 PM
Quoting ShintoMale
This is in the Quran 67: 5
all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5
Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5
وَلَقَدْ زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاء الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَجَعَلْنَاهَا رُجُومًا لِّلشَّيَاطِينِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهُمْ عَذَابَ السَّعِيرِ
The explanation: (And We adorned the nearest firmament [to your earth] with [meteors to burn like the] lamps, and made these [meteors] to stone satans [: devils]; and We have prepared for them [for the Day of Judgment] the chastisement of the Blaze.)
See more about the meteors or shooting stars here Meteors
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See more about the meteors or shooting stars here Meteors
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May 13th, 2008, 06:44 PM
Quoting eanassir
You've heard plenty of them, in this thread and your other threads you think are about science. All you do is deny them and continue to insist your Glorious Quran is correct and science must be wrong. With all the resources of the Internet available to you to look things up and verify what science actually says, and all the attempts people have made on your behalf here to set you straight and point you to good sources, you have deliberately chosen to remain ignorant. I believe you've put me on "Ignore" for trying to show you where and why you're wrong about almost everything and finally losing patience with your impenetrable dogmatism, so you won't see this unless you're just lurking without logging in, but somebody should at least try to tell you that deliberately choosing ignorance and dogmatism in the face of the evidence is stupid.
I want to hear some scientific objection, but not the words of the "nonsense" party.
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Rather short-sighted and foolish of Allah to arrange things so that only people who know Arabic can understand him. It means we have to rely on people like you to tell us about it. Given the massive ignorance and unfounded dogmatic certainty you continually display, I wouldn't take your word for anything.
... to seduce people by misleading them and giving them false meaning, specially people who do not know Arabic
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May 13th, 2008, 06:53 PM
The explanation: (It is He Who made the sun: [light-] emitting and the moon: light[-reflecting] and decreed for her stages [of the moon during its revolution around the earth]; that you [people] may know the counting of years and the calculation [of months and days.])
And if you do not believe me, ask one of the Arab about the words: ضِيَاءًand نُورًا and the difference between the two words.
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Quoting ShintoMale
I am answering you, and you have become "Newbie" rather than "knows no bounds".
all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
"And hath made the moon a light"</I>
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16
"And hath made the moon a light"</I>
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16
This is in the Quran 71: 16
وَجَعَلَ الْقَمَرَ فِيهِنَّ نُورًا وَجَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ سِرَاجًا
The explanation: ("And made the moon [as] a light therein [in the ethereal heavens: i.e. the paradises], and made the sun [as] a lamp?")
This aya explains the condition of the sun and the moon in relation to the ethereal heavens (or the kingdom of heavens: i.e. the paradises)
http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Ethereal_Heavens
It does not mean that the moon gives its own light; on the contrary: to make sure see this aya 10: 5
This aya explains the condition of the sun and the moon in relation to the ethereal heavens (or the kingdom of heavens: i.e. the paradises)
http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Ethereal_Heavens
It does not mean that the moon gives its own light; on the contrary: to make sure see this aya 10: 5
هُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ ضِيَاءً وَالْقَمَرَ نُورًا وَقَدَّرَهُ مَنَازِلَ لِتَعْلَمُواْ عَدَدَ السِّنِينَ وَالْحِسَابَ
The explanation: (It is He Who made the sun: [light-] emitting and the moon: light[-reflecting] and decreed for her stages [of the moon during its revolution around the earth]; that you [people] may know the counting of years and the calculation [of months and days.])
And if you do not believe me, ask one of the Arab about the words: ضِيَاءًand نُورًا and the difference between the two words.
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May 13th, 2008, 07:12 PM
The interpretation [by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al Hilly]:
" It means: [The seminal fluid] issues from the body of man, and collects into two [seminal] vesicles near the bladder, and at the sexual intercourse, it issues with ejection or gushing, and pour in the uterus of the woman. So the الصُّلْبِ means the back and the التَّرَائِبِ means the chest bones. "
Quoting ShintoMale
all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7
Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7
This is in the Quran 86:5-7
فَلْيَنظُرِ الْإِنسَانُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ . خُلِقَ مِن مَّاءدَافِقٍ . يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ
The explanation:
( Now let man [who denies Our might] consider from what he is created.
He is created from a gushing fluid.
Issuing from between the back and the chest bones.)
( Now let man [who denies Our might] consider from what he is created.
He is created from a gushing fluid.
Issuing from between the back and the chest bones.)
The interpretation [by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al Hilly]:
" It means: [The seminal fluid] issues from the body of man, and collects into two [seminal] vesicles near the bladder, and at the sexual intercourse, it issues with ejection or gushing, and pour in the uterus of the woman. So the الصُّلْبِ means the back and the التَّرَائِبِ means the chest bones. "
