Global warming 'past the point of no return'

mrmom2

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By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 16 September 2005
A record loss of sea ice in the Arctic this summer has convinced scientists that the northern hemisphere may have crossed a critical threshold beyond which the climate may never recover. Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase of warming which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice that has helped to keep the climate stable for thousands of years.

They believe global warming is melting Arctic ice so rapidly that the region is beginning to absorb more heat from the sun, causing the ice to melt still further and so reinforcing a vicious cycle of melting and heating.

The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a "tipping point" beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically.

Satellites monitoring the Arctic have found that the extent of the sea ice this August has reached its lowest monthly point on record, dipping an unprecedented 18.2 per cent below the long-term average.

Experts believe that such a loss of Arctic sea ice in summer has not occurred in hundreds and possibly thousands of years. It is the fourth year in a row that the sea ice in August has fallen below the monthly downward trend - a clear sign that melting has accelerated.

Scientists are now preparing to report a record loss of Arctic sea ice for September, when the surface area covered by the ice traditionally reaches its minimum extent at the end of the summer melting period.

Sea ice naturally melts in summer and reforms in winter but for the first time on record this annual rebound did not occur last winter when the ice of the Arctic failed to recover significantly.

Arctic specialists at the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre at Colorado University, who have documented the gradual loss of polar sea ice since 1978, believe that a more dramatic melt began about four years ago.

In September 2002 the sea ice coverage of the Arctic reached its lowest level in recorded history. Such lows have normally been followed the next year by a rebound to more normal levels, but this did not occur in the summers of either 2003 or 2004. This summer has been even worse. The surface area covered by sea ice was at a record monthly minimum for each of the summer months - June, July and now August.

Scientists analysing the latest satellite data for September - the traditional minimum extent for each summer - are preparing to announce a significant shift in the stability of the Arctic sea ice, the northern hemisphere's major "heat sink" that moderates climatic extremes.

"The changes we've seen in the Arctic over the past few decades are nothing short of remarkable," said Mark Serreze, one of the scientists at the Snow and Ice Data Centre who monitor Arctic sea ice.

Scientists at the data centre are bracing themselves for the 2005 annual minimum, which is expected to be reached in mid-September, when another record loss is forecast. A major announcement is scheduled for 20 September. "It looks like we're going to exceed it or be real close one way or the other. It is probably going to be at least as comparable to September 2002," Dr Serreze said.

"This will be four Septembers in a row that we've seen a downward trend. The feeling is we are reaching a tipping point or threshold beyond which sea ice will not recover."

The extent of the sea ice in September is the most valuable indicator of its health. This year's record melt means that more of the long-term ice formed over many winters - so called multi-year ice - has disappeared than at any time in recorded history.

Sea ice floats on the surface of the Arctic Ocean and its neighbouring seas and normally covers an area of some 7 million square kilometres (2.4 million square miles) during September - about the size of Australia. However, in September 2002, this dwindled to about 2 million square miles - 16 per cent below average.

Sea ice data for August closely mirrors that for September and last month's record low - 18.2 per cent below the monthly average - strongly suggests that this September will see the smallest coverage of Arctic sea ice ever recorded.

As more and more sea ice is lost during the summer, greater expanses of open ocean are exposed to the sun which increases the rate at which heat is absorbed in the Arctic region, Dr Serreze said.

Sea ice reflects up to 80 per cent of sunlight hitting it but this "albedo effect" is mostly lost when the sea is uncovered. "We've exposed all this dark ocean to the sun's heat so that the overall heat content increases," he explained.

Current computer models suggest that the Arctic will be entirely ice-free during summer by the year 2070 but some scientists now believe that even this dire prediction may be over-optimistic, said Professor Peter Wadhams, an Arctic ice specialist at Cambridge University.

"When the ice becomes so thin it breaks up mechanically rather than thermodynamically. So these predictions may well be on the over-optimistic side," he said.

As the sea ice melts, and more of the sun's energy is absorbed by the exposed ocean, a positive feedback is created leading to the loss of yet more ice, Professor Wadhams said.

"If anything we may be underestimating the dangers. The computer models may not take into account collaborative positive feedback," he said.

Sea ice keeps a cap on frigid water, keeping it cold and protecting it from heating up. Losing the sea ice of the Arctic is likely to have major repercussions for the climate, he said. "There could be dramatic changes to the climate of the northern region due to the creation of a vast expanse of open water where there was once effectively land," Professor Wadhams said. "You're essentially changing land into ocean and the creation of a huge area of open ocean where there was once land will have a very big impact on other climate parameters," he said.

A record loss of sea ice in the Arctic this summer has convinced scientists that the northern hemisphere may have crossed a critical threshold beyond which the climate may never recover. Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase of warming which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice that has helped to keep the climate stable for thousands of years.

They believe global warming is melting Arctic ice so rapidly that the region is beginning to absorb more heat from the sun, causing the ice to melt still further and so reinforcing a vicious cycle of melting and heating.

The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a "tipping point" beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically.

Satellites monitoring the Arctic have found that the extent of the sea ice this August has reached its lowest monthly point on record, dipping an unprecedented 18.2 per cent below the long-term average.

Experts believe that such a loss of Arctic sea ice in summer has not occurred in hundreds and possibly thousands of years. It is the fourth year in a row that the sea ice in August has fallen below the monthly downward trend - a clear sign that melting has accelerated.

Scientists are now preparing to report a record loss of Arctic sea ice for September, when the surface area covered by the ice traditionally reaches its minimum extent at the end of the summer melting period.

Sea ice naturally melts in summer and reforms in winter but for the first time on record this annual rebound did not occur last winter when the ice of the Arctic failed to recover significantly.

Arctic specialists at the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre at Colorado University, who have documented the gradual loss of polar sea ice since 1978, believe that a more dramatic melt began about four years ago.

In September 2002 the sea ice coverage of the Arctic reached its lowest level in recorded history. Such lows have normally been followed the next year by a rebound to more normal levels, but this did not occur in the summers of either 2003 or 2004. This summer has been even worse. The surface area covered by sea ice was at a record monthly minimum for each of the summer months - June, July and now August.

Scientists analysing the latest satellite data for September - the traditional minimum extent for each summer - are preparing to announce a significant shift in the stability of the Arctic sea ice, the northern hemisphere's major "heat sink" that moderates climatic extremes.

"The changes we've seen in the Arctic over the past few decades are nothing short of remarkable," said Mark Serreze, one of the scientists at the Snow and Ice Data Centre who monitor Arctic sea ice.

Scientists at the data centre are bracing themselves for the 2005 annual minimum, which is expected to be reached in mid-September, when another record loss is forecast. A major announcement is scheduled for 20 September. "It looks like we're going to exceed it or be real close one way or the other. It is probably going to be at least as comparable to September 2002," Dr Serreze said.
"This will be four Septembers in a row that we've seen a downward trend. The feeling is we are reaching a tipping point or threshold beyond which sea ice will not recover."

The extent of the sea ice in September is the most valuable indicator of its health. This year's record melt means that more of the long-term ice formed over many winters - so called multi-year ice - has disappeared than at any time in recorded history.

Sea ice floats on the surface of the Arctic Ocean and its neighbouring seas and normally covers an area of some 7 million square kilometres (2.4 million square miles) during September - about the size of Australia. However, in September 2002, this dwindled to about 2 million square miles - 16 per cent below average.

Sea ice data for August closely mirrors that for September and last month's record low - 18.2 per cent below the monthly average - strongly suggests that this September will see the smallest coverage of Arctic sea ice ever recorded.

As more and more sea ice is lost during the summer, greater expanses of open ocean are exposed to the sun which increases the rate at which heat is absorbed in the Arctic region, Dr Serreze said.

Sea ice reflects up to 80 per cent of sunlight hitting it but this "albedo effect" is mostly lost when the sea is uncovered. "We've exposed all this dark ocean to the sun's heat so that the overall heat content increases," he explained.

Current computer models suggest that the Arctic will be entirely ice-free during summer by the year 2070 but some scientists now believe that even this dire prediction may be over-optimistic, said Professor Peter Wadhams, an Arctic ice specialist at Cambridge University.

"When the ice becomes so thin it breaks up mechanically rather than thermodynamically. So these predictions may well be on the over-optimistic side," he said.

As the sea ice melts, and more of the sun's energy is absorbed by the exposed ocean, a positive feedback is created leading to the loss of yet more ice, Professor Wadhams said.

"If anything we may be underestimating the dangers. The computer models may not take into account collaborative positive feedback," he said.

Sea ice keeps a cap on frigid water, keeping it cold and protecting it from heating up. Losing the sea ice of the Arctic is likely to have major repercussions for the climate, he said. "There could be dramatic changes to the climate of the northern region due to the creation of a vast expanse of open water where there was once effectively land," Professor Wadhams said. "You're essentially changing land into ocean and the creation of a huge area of open ocean where there was once land will have a very big impact on other climate parameters," he said.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Global warming 'past

Most of this has been fairly clear since the Arctic Assessment report came out last year. They are really just re-inforcing that with new data. Things are going to start changing a little faster over the few years. We'll see more severe weather, including hurricanes, and we'll see that weather creeping into places it's been rare or non-existent before.

Even places you'd think would benefit from rising global temperatures won't. Here in Winnipeg we can expect more storms and more cold snaps in the winter. The springs will bring more flooding and the summers more severe storms and more droughts.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Yeah, the main result seems to be more extreme weather conditions, not anything you'd personally detect as a shift to a warmer climate. Hot spells will be longer and hotter, cold spells will be longer and colder, dangerous thunder storms will get bigger and more frequent, droughts will be drier and more frequent... Everything gets more extreme and variable.

If it's really true that it's gone past the point of no return--and I have no opinion on that yet--we're going to lose a lot of cities. I don't have the exact figures at hand, but something over 80% of the world's population (of humans) lives within a few kilometers of a sea coast, and if sea level rises the predicted tens of meters... well, it'll be goodbye New Orleans, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Montreal, Vancouver, Victoria, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, London... It's a long list, and almost every city of over a million people is on it.

Another sobering thought: this is human-caused. We are the only creature on the planet whose activities disrupt the global biosphere and lead hundreds of other species into extinction. A million years hence, the fossil record will show a massive extinction event at this time, and we'll have done it. Homo sapiens ("wise man?" Ha! It is to laugh; most of us are fools, in my not very humble opinion) is, by any biological measure, a plague upon the planet.

Nature has ways of taking care of such things. Overpopulation leads to population crashes from disease and predation. Our technology shelters us, but it won't work forever if we continue to foul the air and soil and water.

It'll get worse before it gets better. If it ever does... I've thought for years that the planet would be better off without us.
 

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RE: Global warming 'past

PM Martin seems to think gloabal warming is a concern.

One striking example is climate change. This November, Canada will host the UN Conference on Climate Change, and our goal for this conference is clear: climate change is real, and the world must recognize it; human activity is a defining cause, and the world must act on it.

Our mandate in Montreal will be two-fold: first the Kyoto parties have started their work and need to build on it by making continued progress on their existing commitments, second we will initiate discussions to achieve a truly global and inclusive regime to achieve deep and genuine reductions of greenhouse gas emissions.

Read rest here from PM's official page

edited to add: you need to scroll down a bit or you can read the whole speech he gave at UN today.
 

Ocean Breeze

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This is Global Warming, Says Environmental Chief
As Hurricane Rita Threatens Devastation, Scientist Blames Climate Change

by Michael McCarthy

Super-powerful hurricanes now hitting the United States are the "smoking gun" of global warming, one of Britain's leading scientists believes.

'SMOKING GUN'
Rita moves west across the Gulf of Mexico in a satellite image taken Friday at 2:45 a.m. ET. (NOAA)


If this makes the climate loonies in the States realise we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation.



The growing violence of storms such as Katrina, which wrecked New Orleans, and Rita, now threatening Texas, is very probably caused by climate change, said Sir John Lawton, chairman of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution. Hurricanes were getting more intense, just as computer models predicted they would, because of the rising temperature of the sea, he said. "The increased intensity of these kinds of extreme storms is very likely to be due to global warming."

In a series of outspoken comments - a thinly veiled attack on the Bush administration, Sir John hit out at neoconservatives in the US who still deny the reality of climate change.

Referring to the arrival of Hurricane Rita he said: "If this makes the climate loonies in the States realise we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation." As he spoke, more than a million people were fleeing north away from the coast of Texas as Rita, one of the most intense storms on record, roared through the Gulf of Mexico. It will probably make landfall tonight or early tomorrow near Houston, America's fourth largest city and the centre of its oil industry. Highways leading inland from Houston were clogged with traffic for up to 100 miles north.

There are real fears that Houston could suffer as badly from Rita just as New Orleans suffered from Hurricane Katrina less than a month ago.

Asked what conclusion the Bush administration should draw from two hurricanes of such high intensity hitting the US in quick succession, Sir John said: "If what looks like is going to be a horrible mess causes the extreme sceptics about climate change in the US to reconsider their opinion, that would be an extremely valuable outcome."

Asked about characterizing them as "loonies", he said: "There are a group of people in various parts of the world ... who simply don't want to accept human activities can change climate and are changing the climate."

"I'd liken them to the people who denied that smoking causes lung cancer."

With his comments, Sir John becomes the third of the leaders of Britain's scientific establishment to attack the US over the Bush government's determination to cast doubt on global warming as a real phenomenon.

Sir John's comments follow and support recent research, much of it from America itself, showing that hurricanes are getting more violent and suggesting climate change is the cause.

A paper by US researchers, last week in the US journal Science, showed that storms of the intensity of Hurricane Katrina have become almost twice as common in the past 35 years.

Although the overall frequency of tropical storms worldwide has remained broadly level since 1970, the number of extreme category 4 and 5 events has sharply risen. In the 1970s, there was an average of about 10 category 4 and 5 hurricanes per year but, since 1990, they have nearly doubled to an average of about 18 a year. During the same period, sea surface temperatures, among the key drivers of hurricane intensity, have increased by an average of 0.5C (0.9F).

Sir John said: "Increasingly it looks like a smoking gun. It's a fair conclusion to draw that global warming, caused to a substantial extent by people, is driving increased sea surface temperatures and increasing the violence of hurricanes."
 

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Re: RE: Global warming 'past

no1important said:
Talks to open on climate change

Interesting, but will it really accomplish anything? It seems whenever politicians are involved things move awfully slow.

..........well, they sure do TALK a lot...... :wink:

and while they "talk"....the situation deteriorates. then when a crisis occurs............they claim they were not prepared......or are stunned by the extent of the crisis.....

duh!!
 

Ocean Breeze

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no1important said:
I wonder as well, as Blair seems to do as Georgie tells him to. Even with Iraq Blair went against peoples wishes but did it because Georgie told him too.


diverting from original topic for a moment........but I too have wondered about this Bush/Blair duo relationship. On first take ,did not figure blair for a follower/wimpish chap....and yet he cowtows to bush as if bush was the new messiah.

very weird. .........as any leader who listens to a leader of another far off nation.......before he listens to the people who elected him.........might be carrying a few secrets that make him vulnerable.

They are so different ..... one articulate/smooth, and apparently intelligent....../the other a clutz at every turn.
 

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Bush and Blair (I always want to spell it Blare, only partly to avoid confusion with our esteemed Reverend Blair) are both earnest Christians who expect the End of the World and The Rapture any time now. That's the root of the bond between them. Or to put it another way, they're both fools engaged in making sure their understanding of certain prophecies from Christian mythology comes true. Major combats in the Middle East are a big part of that. It's all god's will, you see, and we know god talks to both of them, they've said so... :roll:
 

mrmom2

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If thats the case Dex what the feck are they doing devil worshipping at Bohemian grove :? There no more christian than me :wink:
 

Jo Canadian

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Dexter Sinister said:
Bush and Blair (I always want to spell it Blare, only partly to avoid confusion with our esteemed Reverend Blair) are both earnest Christians who expect the End of the World and The Rapture any time now.

 

Summer

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Oy.

I've been involved in a discussion of global warming for a few months (off and on) on a science fiction website. Believe it or not, some of the people you'd expect to be most likely to not only understand the dire consequences of such a thing but also to be reasonably accepting of the fact that human beings do actually influence the environment (hell, just expecting them to be reasonable wouldn't be much of a stretch, you'd think) - well, some of these people are in the deepest denial of anyone I've ever met when it comes to global warming. As if that weren't bad enough, then they have the stones to get ANGRY and defensive whenever the subject even comes up, and they attack the messenger, no matter who that messenger is.

Makes me want to cry, and actually has once or twice. How can people be so friggin' STUPID???

The whole situation just :cwm10:s me.

*sigh*
 

Timetrvlr

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I am a pro-active sort of person, instead of heaping more stats on the problem pile; I'm inclined to do something about it. Take a look at this Wikipedia link on Carbon Dioxide Sequestration:
CARBON DIOXIDE SINK


The article enumerates several ways of removing this greenhouse gas from the atmosphere. If you want to remove a lot of CO2 from the atmosphere, it can be done with present technology. This is a short excerpt:
"One of the most promising ways to increase the efficiency of this sink is to fertilize the water with iron sulfate: this has the effect of stimulating the growth of the plankton. A test in 2002 in the Southern Ocean around Antarctica suggests that between 10,000 and 100,000 carbon atoms are sunk for each iron atom added to the water. Advocates of this technique estimate that a large use of it could make a significant dent in the greenhouse effect."

Global warming and what to do about it is the subject of an article in the August 2005 issue of Popular Science magazine. Their article discusses five different technologies that could be used. The link to that story has now expired.

:cheers:
 

Summer

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RE: Global warming 'past

Dang, I'm going to have to make a trip the library, then. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out ways that the warming could be reversed by modern technology.

If I can research this well enough, not only will I perhaps be a little less depressed over it all, but also I might manage to get a good story out of it. (There's a reason I hang out on science fiction sites... I write the stuff, or at least attempt to. Nothing published yet, tho...)
 

Jo Canadian

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Changing climate has more Inuit shopping for food

....He says erratic weather in the North is speeding up that trend, as hunters face less ice and uncertain travel conditions on land.

"They're finding it harder to get out as often as they normally would, less people are going hunting as frequently as they normally would, therefore decreasing the amount of hunting that they're doing," he says. "So there's a concern there's less country food circulating within the community."

Furgal says the early breakup in the spring is especially a concern since it reduces access to seals on the ice...... more