What is this Global Warming You Speak Of?

Murphy

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The polar ice cap is melting! The ozone layer is disappearing! Whales (or whatever) are at risk! Blah, blah, blah. I'd like some irrefutable proof please, not speculation like - maybe, probably, it appears that, I predict, etc.
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Two Minutes with Murphy

What is this Global Warming You Speak Of?

This morning, I listened to another ‘expert’ hammer the audience with his views on global warming. The gist was that humans are destroying the planet and that we have to change our ways. The evidence, he said, was irrefutable.

For a moment, I thought that I was in church listening to an old time fire and brimstone sermon, delivered by one of the faithful. After he finished ranting, I turned off the radio, disappointed. It was the same old, tired message - heavy on gloom and doom, but short on hard evidence. He told me that the evidence was irrefutable, but failed to tell me what it was or where to find it.

What did I learn? Nothing, except that environmentalists continue to bray. Like repeatedly burping up a bad meal, their continual warnings of our impending demise are wearing thin. Because of the non-stop whining, people are switching them off. It is reminiscent of the boy who cried wolf.

I am not a scientist and claim no special knowledge or understanding of what’s happening weather wise on this rock. I will not take issue with any paper that supports or disputes global warming. The reason is simple: I have no credentials in that area. While I may not have any scientific qualifications, it does not mean that I am bereft of the power to reason. Moreover, I will question anyone who, without proof, continues to scream 'The sky is falling!'

Based on personal observations, I have chosen to ignore the global warming crowd. The reason? Every scientific paper I've read is pure speculation. These papers speak of past events, but never effectively connect what happened to what will happen. They conclude with dire warnings, but use these words and phrases - 'might...', 'if we keep doing this we might see...', 'it's probable that...', 'it is reasonable to expect...', 'this will likely cause...' In short, their arguments aren’t convincing.

I cannot live my life based on what ‘might’ happen. If the earth’s scientific community cannot find consensus, then it is pointless to lose any sleep over global warming, droughts, or a melting polar ice cap. Simply put, there are too many wildly differing opinions coming from the experts. It seems to me that they are no more qualified than soothsayers when it comes to accurately predicting the future.

Former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien’s whimsical observation about providing evidence to back an assertion belongs here. He said,

“A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."

So I must ask the environmentalists, where is the proof?

These brainy Bo Peeps are taught to follow what is called ‘the scientific method’. It is described in the Oxford English Dictionary as, ‘a procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses…’

In other words, scientists use logical, time proven methods to formulate an opinion about a problem like global warming. Supported with evidence, they propose a solution that should be for everyone’s own good. And there’s the rub. The scientific community has yet to find that irrefutable evidence and communicate it clearly. They are the thinkers, so we depend on them to find the solutions to difficult questions, based on hard evidence.

What have the scientists managed so far? Not a lot. All sides have arrived at different conclusions, and the result is muddled. Hundreds (or thousands) of research papers have been written and debated, but the scientific community cannot come to an agreement. In the meantime, we're still waiting for someone to break the logjam.

But what about us, the general public? We're the people that have to be convinced, one way or the other. We see most of this as long winded, confusing, and generally unintelligible. We cannot understand why similarly credentialed individuals have contradictory opinions. Whom are we supposed to believe?

Based on what I have seen and read, and by simply staring out my front door, I have concluded that some of these professionals are fear mongers. There are also a few using ‘the environmental crisis’ to pad their pocketbooks. This is shameful.

But what about those who genuinely believe that, unless we change our ways, mankind is fated to die in some imminent environmental disaster? Keep researching and bring the world some hard evidence to prove your assertion. Show us the way forward, but be aware that until you can convince us otherwise, you’re just another crackpot.
 

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Maybe the grenade will explose.
Certainly I run far away....

But in this case... there is no escape ...
 

Danbones

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Geez, what ever happened to the good old fashioned hellfire scam...fire and brimstone..
red hot beer Ice cold women
Oh oh, we are losing adherents at the collection plate
better up the ante...

repent you sinnerds
 

Murphy

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What ever happened to common sense?
What ever happened to writing (not printing)?
What ever happened to old fashioned love?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2L7mpQhlc
 

Danbones

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You can't serve 2 masters.

M't:24:12:
And because iniquity shall abound,
the love of many shall wax cold.
damn I wish that read
"And because iniquity shall abound, love many shill wacks"
thats good religion right there
 

MHz

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Really??

M't:12:25:
And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and said unto them,
Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
M't:12:26:
And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his kingdom stand?

damn I wish that read
"love many shill wacks"
thats good religion right there
It does say wackos will be popular, more popular than the sane ones.
 

Danbones

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Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
That's just good common sense, and it indicates balkanization is NOT a new tactic.
 

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Thank you .
For Summary ,this is the most important picture :


 

Danbones

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Could you post a link Ungern please
so we can see what the chart actually says?
 

Dexter Sinister

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Every scientific paper I've read is pure speculation. These papers speak of past events, but never effectively connect what happened to what will happen. They conclude with dire warnings, but use these words and phrases - 'might...', 'if we keep doing this we might see...', 'it's probable that...', 'it is reasonable to expect...', 'this will likely cause...' In short, their arguments aren’t convincing.

I cannot live my life based on what ‘might’ happen. If the earth’s scientific community cannot find consensus...[etc]
That's simply the way scientists are trained to think and speak. Science does not, and can not, deal in absolutes, all knowledge but the trivial is provisional to some degree, pending receipt of better information or better ideas. Science can give you the weight of probability and the evidence that supports it, not absolute proof. If you want absolutes, look to religion, not science, it doesn't have them. The evidence pretty strongly suggests that global warming is real and human activities are contributing significantly to it, but this is an extremely complex scientific problem and there is still much that is not well understood. No scientist worthy of the title would claim there's no other conceivable explanation for the data, but anthropogenic global warming is currently the best explanation we have, that IS the scientific consensus, and that's the smart way to bet.

You, in common with everybody else, live your whole life based on what 'might' happen. Nobody has complete and perfect knowledge of the consequences of any choice they make or any event that happens. We're all struggling along trying to make sensible decisions in a sea of incalculable possibilities so vast it might as well be purely random, you won't get proof that you're right or wrong until the consequences have happened and it's too late to change your mind.

And just in case you're wondering, yes I DO have legitimate scientific credentials, B.Sc. with a triple major in physics, geology, and mathematics. Took me 5 years as an undergrad to get that, after three years in the physics program I switched to the earth sciences for another two years. And then I did a Masters degree... And then I was so tired of being poor I decided finding a job was a better option than a Ph.D.
 
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Danbones

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No absolutes in science?
How about absolute zero, which is NOT a religious concept, it's a scientific one
Some things are a mathematical certainty like DEATH - religion pretends to negate that
{lol, after you die...face palm)
Science and Math go hand in hand and math is full of absolutes

Looks like to me, you have that backwards.

I have a family member who with 4 university degrees and 1 college diploma, blew a really good job interview because the question was "what does scientific method mean to you?"
She got a fail on science 101
(and our mother was a DrVM and was later the head of our high school science department)

Now I have to ask you with all due respect
( and I do green thump a fair amount of your posts, so this isn't a trolling )
"what exactly does scientific method mean to you?"
 

MHz

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There are lots of Scientists that say man has not contributed to global warming at all. The Scientists that do support global warming are the ones that get the big grants from a Government who is beholden to big businesses who are making a lot of money combating something that doesn't need any combating.
CO2 rise is minimal at best and volcanoes contribute much more than people do, methane is also on the rise and human activity does not account for that rise. The danger of rises in methane is not global warming but damage to red blood cells ability to carry O2 throughout the body and particularly the brain.
Plants are the cure for a rise in CO2 if it was even a factor, so far that has not been promoted but a very expensive alternative that will hit 3rd world countries the hardest and eliminate their ability to advance their countries so all their citizens can have basic services like electricity and clean running water. That is something the developed countries will keep even though they are promoted as being the main factors on the increase of CO2. They will pay a 'fine' that the developing Nations simply cannot afford so there will never be a narrowing of the line between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.

Dex, all your schooling did is give you an ego that doesn't let you admit you can be in error. You have been out long enough that the newest information is not something you have been keeping up with. You often cite references that are decades old and newer info, like the series, How the earth was born, is not part of your knowledge. You showed that a few years ago when i posted one of their vids, what you missed is the errors in the vid that allows the current propaganda to remain in place. If you are unable to question current promotions then you are just accepting what is promoted and all your training is of no use except to agree with those that have more credentials than you.
So far I have found very little that you promote that can't be debunked through reasonable thinking that follows scientific principles. One huge glaring example is the expanding earth theory. Even today if the rifts, all 40,000 miles, are spreading faster than the crust is 'subducting' then the earth is expanding. The spreading would also include the release of gas that is found at all active volcano sites and since that is an unknown factor you cannot accept that the gas increases are only caused by man using fossil fuels.

The Scientists who dispute the man-made global warming are what, honest hard working professionals or quacks? It is a well established trend that anybody who bucks the 'established view' will have their careers tanked by that same scientific community that you hold in high regard.