Physics and Tautology.

socratus

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Physics and Tautology.
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Where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?
These masses came from surrounding space.
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Where did these masses from surrounding space come from ?
These masses came from ‘big bang’.
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Why he is poor ?
Because he is stupid.
Why he is stupid?
Because he is poor.
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gore0bsessed

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physics and tautology.
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where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?
these masses came from surrounding space.
2
where did these masses from surrounding space come from ?
these masses came from ‘big bang’.
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why he is poor ?
because he is stupid.
why he is stupid?
because he is poor.
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how is babby formed

 

socratus

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Physics and Tautology.
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Where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?
These masses came from surrounding space.
2
Where did these masses from surrounding space come from ?
These masses came from ‘big bang’.
===.
Why is he poor ?
Because he is stupid.
Why is he stupid?
Because he is poor.
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The ‘big bang’ doesn’t give answer to the question:
where did the mass come from ?
To understand this we need go out from ‘ big bang’ .
But ‘ the big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened
at the very beginning of our universe. Prior to that moment there
was nothing;’
So, . . where do we go out ?
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weaselwords

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Physics and Tautology.
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Where did the masses for ‘ big bang ‘ come from ?
These masses came from surrounding space.
2
Where did these masses from surrounding space come from ?
These masses came from ‘big bang’.
===.
Why is he poor ?
Because he is stupid.
Why is he stupid?
Because he is poor.
===.
The ‘big bang’ doesn’t give answer to the question:
where did the mass come from ?
To understand this we need go out from ‘ big bang’ .
But ‘ the big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened
at the very beginning of our universe. Prior to that moment there
was nothing;’
So, . . where do we go out ?
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It is all from a black hole of a collapsing prior universe. Just like what will happen to our universe in another oh 20B or more years
 

Locutus

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It's like a fart-filled lava lamp man.

Each so-called 'big bang' is a little fart bubble that expands only so far within a larger globular goo-fest that goes on to infinity. Then it is withheld by the surrounding mass and kept together only to float about affecting by local fart gravity globules until it blumps into another wet fart ball and voila, a bigger damp flobbly form.

Happy now.
 

petros

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The truth is out there....

It's like a fart-filled lava lamp man.

Each so-called 'big bang' is a little fart bubble that expands only so far within a larger globular goo-fest that goes on to infinity. Then it is withheld by the surrounding mass and kept together only to float about affecting by local fart gravity globules until it blumps into another wet fart ball and voila, a bigger damp flobbly form.

Happy now.
Fg=mg..... Who knew that F=fart?
 

Locutus

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Well, the sticklers might say Flatulence but between friends, it's a fart eh.
 

socratus

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So, . . where do we go out ?
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If we go out of mass then it can be only one possibility -
- we will enter into an empty space.
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‘ A world without masses, without electrons, without an
electromagnetic field is an empty world. Such an empty
world is flat. But if masses appear, if charged particles
appear, if an electromagnetic field appears then our world
becomes curved. Its geometry is Riemannian, that is,
non- Euclidian.’
/ Book ‘Albert Einstein’ The page 116 . by Leopold Infeld. /
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Niflmir

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So, . . where do we go out ?
==.
If we go out of mass then it can be only one possibility -
- we will enter into an empty space.
==.
‘ A world without masses, without electrons, without an
electromagnetic field is an empty world. Such an empty
world is flat. But if masses appear, if charged particles
appear, if an electromagnetic field appears then our world
becomes curved. Its geometry is Riemannian, that is,
non- Euclidian.’
/ Book ‘Albert Einstein’ The page 116 . by Leopold Infeld. /
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The whole point of Colabi-Yau manifolds is to create manifolds which satisfy the equations of general relativity with no mass. So, yes, you can have non-trivial universes without mass.
 

socratus

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The whole point of Colabi-Yau manifolds is to create manifolds
which satisfy the equations of general relativity with no mass.
So, yes, you can have non-trivial universes without mass.


I also read about Colabi-Yau spaces in the book
' The Elegant Universe. by Brian Greene.'

' . . . may Colabi-Yau spaces ' in fact be reduced to a problem of cosmology '
/ page 361 /

The question is:
What are phisical parameters of ' non-trivial universes without mass ' ?

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Niflmir

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I also read about Colabi-Yau spaces in the book
' The Elegant Universe. by Brian Greene.'

' . . . may Colabi-Yau spaces ' in fact be reduced to a problem of cosmology '
/ page 361 /

The question is:
What are phisical parameters of ' non-trivial universes without mass ' ?

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Well, they are purely gravitational. I should have said matter instead of mass, actually. There is a subtle difference...

Actually, with Kaluza-Klein theory you can completely describe a universe with gravity and electricity and magnetism (light) using only the theory of general relativity (gravity).
 

socratus

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Well, they are purely gravitational.
I should have said matter instead of mass, actually.
There is a subtle difference...

Actually,
with Kaluza-Klein theory you can completely describe a universe with gravity
and electricity and magnetism (light) using
only the theory of general relativity (gravity).

The question was:

What are phisical parameters of ' non-trivial universes without mass ' ?

The answer was:

Well, they ( parameters ) are purely gravitational.
I should have said matter instead of mass, actually.
There is a subtle difference...
Actually,
with Kaluza-Klein theory you can completely describe a universe
with gravity and electricity and magnetism (light) using only
the theory of general relativity (gravity).
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My conclusion from Niflmir answer:

Hmm.
I asked the parameters of ' non-trivial universes without mass '
and Niflmir answered :
. . they ( parameters ) are purely gravitational ( Matter / Mass )
. . .
with Kaluza-Klein theory you can completely describe a universe
with gravity ( Matter / Mass ) and electricity and magnetism (light)
using only the theory of general relativity (gravity).
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But which theory I need to know in order to understand
the parameters of ' non-trivial universes without mass ' ?

!!!
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Niflmir

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But which theory I need to know in order to understand
the parameters of ' non-trivial universes without mass ' ?

!!!
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You'd need to study up a bit on differential geometry. If you have a good grasp of calculus and analysis you ought to be able to learn about it right away. Once you know a bit of differential geometry focus on Einstein manifolds and everything should become clear from there.