Let's Talk Quebec / Discutons Ensemble


Niksyk8
#1
We are a group of Concordia University students studying Power and Conflict Resolution that would like to facilitate a respectful dialogue between the English, French and Aboriginals of Quebec. Please help us out by filling out our anonymous survey below or by taking part in the discussion on our Facebook page. Thanks for your help!


Nous sommes un groupe des étudiants de l'Université Concordia étudiant la résolution de conflits et de pouvoir qui souhaitent faciliter un dialogue respectueux entre les Anglais, les Français et les Autochtones du Québec. Donnez-nous votre opinion en remplissant notre sondage anonyme et bilingue sur les sujet qui concerne Québec! Merci pour votre collaboration!


LINK to survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PBLNGL6 (external - login to view)
LINK to Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/discutonsletstalkquebec/ (external - login to view)
 
Hoof Hearted
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#2  Top Rated Post
I'll start the dialogue...

The English are fat, donut-eating overlords who stole the Native's land and won't allow the French to have their own nation.

The French are fiddle-dancing, speedo-wearing and poutine-eating cry babies.

The Natives are glue-sniffing layabouts.

Discuss...

(In other news, I just signed up at Ancestry.com and found out I'm 90% a$$hole!)
 
Tecumsehsbones
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof HeartedView Post

I'll start the dialogue...

The English are fat, donut-eating overlords who stole the Native's land and won't allow the French to have their own nation.

The French are fiddle-dancing, speedo-wearing and poutine-eating cry babies.

The Natives are glue-sniffing layabouts.

Discuss...

(In other news, I just signed up at Ancestry.com and found out I'm 90% a$$hole!)

All of which is overshadowed by the fact they're all Canadian.
 
Johnnny
#4
You mean to tell me there are French that want to treat the English in their province like human beings?
 
Hoof Hearted
#5
I think the members of the Concordia University Student's Association just spit-taked their Starbucks lattes all over their textbooks when they read my opening post.

Bring in the therapy dogs!!
 
bobnoorduyn
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

All of which is overshadowed by the fact they're all Canadian.


Oh, you're not Canadian unless you're a hyphenated Canadian, (Anglophones need not apply though).
 
nanl
#7
You guys are hilarious! Seriously though....we're actually not from the Concordia Student Association...We're a group of students taking a class on power and conflict resolution doing this for a final project and we could really use your (serious) input...Please go to the Facebook page link (above) or to the survey (link also above) to weigh in...We'd really appreciate! Thanks for your help!
 
Machjo
#8
I did answer the survey questions.

Thanks
 
nanl
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I did answer the survey questions.

Thanks

Thanks so much!
 
Machjo
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by nanlView Post

Thanks so much!

Please post the results once it's done. It'll be interesting to read.

Thanks.
 
Johnnny
#11
Somebody called in the backup. It is hilarious because bill 101 is a joke

Lol

You know what else is funny?

A Quebecious who supports the language law but denounces Trump. Lol
 
nanl
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Please post the results once it's done. It'll be interesting to read.

Thanks.

Will do! They'll be posted in the next week on the Facebook page and I'll be sure to come back here to post them as well...Thanks again!

Hey, did you guys see this in the news today? WATCH: St. Jean Baptiste Society files complaints against English-only web sites (external - login to view)

Come give us your thoughts on our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/discutonsle...notifications/ (external - login to view)
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by nanlView Post

WATCH: St. Jean Baptiste Society files complaints against English-only web sites (external - login to view)

Come give us your thoughts on our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/discutonsle...notifications/ (external - login to view)

Who would want to watch that, oh yeah bigots and idiots? Just be a bunch of ignorant retards talking about taking 2 steps backwards as opposed to forward like the rest of Canada is trying to do.
 
Niksyk8
#14
Very funny everyone... you may want to check out a unique anglo perspective on how easy things are for the english in quebec in comparison to the rest of the francophones in canada at facebook discutons ensemble /let's talk quebec or snaek peek at Kathleen Wynne apologizes formally for 1912 ban on French in schools - Toronto - CBC News.

 
Johnnny
+1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Niksyk8View Post

Very funny everyone... you may want to check out a unique anglo perspective on how easy things are for the english in quebec in comparison to the rest of the francophones in canada at facebook discutons ensemble /let's talk quebec or snaek peek at Kathleen Wynne apologizes formally for 1912 ban on French in schools - Toronto - CBC News.

I heard she did apologized for something that happened 100 years ago. Also I'm from Northern Ontario and no one is Restricting the use of the French Language.

If it's no problem then why the stupid bill 101? Restricting someone the use of an official language sounds counter intuitive to the point your making?

To say the English have it better in Quebec than the French have it in Ontario is kind of silly because there are no police cracking down on the use of the French Language when advertising for example.
 
Niksyk8
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

I heard she did apologized for something that happened 100 years ago. Also I'm from Northern Ontario and no one is Restricting the use of the French Language.

If it's no problem then why the stupid bill 101? Restricting someone the use of an official language sounds counter intuitive to the point your making?

To say the English have it better in Quebec than the French have it in Ontario is kind of silly because there are no police cracking down on the use of the French Language when advertising for example.

Thanks for your input Johnny, we really appreciate it at Discutons Ensemble, Let's Talk Quebec
 
Niksyk8
#17
What do you think if Quebec adopted an inclusive language policy?
Work continues on building a Cree Education Act in Quebec - North - CBC News
at facebook discutons ensemble, let's talk quebec
 
Johnnny
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Niksyk8View Post

What do you think if Quebec adopted an inclusive language policy?
Work continues on building a Cree Education Act in Quebec - North - CBC News
at facebook discutons ensemble, let's talk quebec

Sounds like Quebec is trying really hard to cater to everyone not English. But the rest of Canada knows this anyways.

But you wouldn't get it anyways because Quebec supports similar laws that Ontario had 100s of years ago.

One day Quebec will get over their victim mentality, one day...
 
Machjo
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Niksyk8View Post

What do you think if Quebec adopted an inclusive language policy?
Work continues on building a Cree Education Act in Quebec - North - CBC News
at facebook discutons ensemble, let's talk quebec

I've supported that for a long time. Right now for example, if a shop in Gatineau QC put up a bilingual sign in Algonquin and French both the same size and Algonquin appearing first, that would violate the French Language Charter! Even if French appeared first, it would still violate it since French must be clearly predominant. I would day that a business can have any of the following four languages replace French to fulfil the French language requirements of the Charter:

1. The local indigenous sign language.
2. International sign.
3. The local indigenous oral and written language.
4. Esperanto.

Any public school should be free to have the local indigenous written language replace French as the written language of instruction, the local indigenous sign language or oral language replace French ad the spoken language of instruction, Eseranto replace French as the written second language, and Esperanto or International Sign replace French as the spoken second language. Any parent should be allowed to request a school voucher for his child.

Even federally, the local indigenous language or Esperanto should be allowed to fulfil the English and French requirement of packaging and labeling laws. And any person should be allowed to request a media voucher with 1/20 of funding going to Esperanto or International Sign and 19/20 to the local indigenous language. I also don't think Federal offices in Quebec should be required to provide service in English.
 
Niksyk8
#20
thanks so much guys for your thoughts!!!
 
Johnnny
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post


4. Esperanto.


Dude i've traveled to 25 countries and i have not met anyone who spoke esperanto. I've met a lot of people who spoke many languages and not one of them told me that they spoke esperanto. And people love to brag about the # of languages they speak.
 
Machjo
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Dude i've traveled to 25 countries and i have not met anyone who spoke esperanto. I've met a lot of people who spoke many languages and not one of them told me that they spoke esperanto. And people love to brag about the # of languages they speak.

I speak 4 languages, and I met more Esperanto-speakers than French-speakers in China. Plus Esperanto is from five to ten times easier to learn than English and I presume French too.

Numbers aside though, I found that while the prevalent form of English in China as in Quebec was broken to the point of risking misinterpretation in any higher-level communication, Esperanto-speakers, as few in number as they are, master the language.
 
Johnnny
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I speak 4 languages, and I met more Esperanto-speakers than French-speakers in China. Plus Esperanto is from five to ten times easier to learn than English and I presume French too.

Numbers aside though, I found that while the prevalent form of English in China as in Quebec was broken to the point of risking misinterpretation in any higher-level communication, Esperanto-speakers, as few in number as they are, master the language.

Just because a few people learned this language so far doesn't mean there is a flaw in English. The people who learn Esperanto want to and have the time to learn it. If Esperanto was as wide spread as English it would suffer the same number of misinterpretations as English does.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Just because a few people learned this language so far doesn't mean there is a flaw in English. The people who learn Esperanto want to and have the time to learn it. If Esperanto was as wide spread as English it would suffer the same number of misinterpretations as English does.

A study done in France in the eighties found that an average French speaker achieved an equal level of proficiency in his second language after 2000 hours of German, 1500 hours of English, 1000 hours of Italian, and 150 hours of Esperanto.

Going from from 1500 hours for English to 150 for Esperanto is no rounding error.
 
Johnnny
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

A study done in France in the eighties found that an average French speaker achieved an equal level of proficiency in his second language after 2000 hours of German, 1500 hours of English, 1000 hours of Italian, and 150 hours of Esperanto.

Going from from 1500 hours for English to 150 for Esperanto is no rounding error.

That's fair it is easier to learn i'll admit that. But if it got to that point it would still be subjected to regional differences over time and eventually break apart into other languages, that's inevitable.
 
Machjo
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

That's fair it is easier to learn i'll admit that. But if it got to that point it would still be subjected to regional differences over time and eventually break apart into other languages, that's inevitable.

I don't think so, and here's why. Statistically even today, around 70% of the world's English speakers (not counting those who can't even hold a conversation in the language) speak it as a mother tongue. As a result, they pick up unique local native English idiosyncrasies.

In the case of Esperanto, over 99% speak it as a second language. This means most would learn it formally in school and would tend to use it only in interlinguistic communication. This would promote a normalising effect on the language.

Indonesian is a good example. With over 70% speaking Indonesian as a second language, it is highly normalized among its around 200 million speakers.

Consider too that accent variations if English that existed since before the modern age have been diminishing. So I don't see why Esperanto would break apart, especially due to its grmatical regularity.
 
Johnnny
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I don't think so, and here's why. Statistically even today, around 70% of the world's English speakers (not counting those who can't even hold a conversation in the language) speak it as a mother tongue. As a result, they pick up unique local native English idiosyncrasies.

In the case if Esperanto, over 99% speak it as a second language. This means most would learn it formally in school and would tend to use it only in interlinguistic communication. This would promote a normalising effect on the language.

Indonesian is a good example. With over 70% speaking Indonesian as a second language, it is highly normaluzed among its around 200 million speakers.

i guess :P
 
Niksyk8
#28
let us know what you think at facebook discutons ensemble quebec, let's talk quebec


Do you think that revisiting past conflicts will allow resolution to truely take place or will it simply cause tension?
An upcoming documentry that explores the mass departure of anglos in the 1970's?

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Niksyk8
#29
Here are the results from our survey on conflict in Quebec between French, English and Aboriginals!
Thank you for participating!

https://www.facebook.com/discutonsle...595070770460:0 (external - login to view)
 
lone wolf
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I don't think so, and here's why. Statistically even today, around 70% of the world's English speakers (not counting those who can't even hold a conversation in the language) speak it as a mother tongue. As a result, they pick up unique local native English idiosyncrasies.

In the case of Esperanto, over 99% speak it as a second language. This means most would learn it formally in school and would tend to use it only in interlinguistic communication. This would promote a normalising effect on the language.

Indonesian is a good example. With over 70% speaking Indonesian as a second language, it is highly normalized among its around 200 million speakers.

Consider too that accent variations if English that existed since before the modern age have been diminishing. So I don't see why Esperanto would break apart, especially due to its grmatical regularity.

I know some people who speak Klingon, Romulan and Pig Latin too. Which one have you heard before?
 
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