Crime stats in Saskatoon (Saskatoon Crime)

Winnipegger
#91
Good because it appears that you, like most aboriginals, like to blame everyone else for your problems. We do not need more of that.
 
Creeman
#92
hahahaha.... you're so funny man. you truly are an idiot. what exactly is it that you are saying? that i blame you for my problems? what problems are you refering to? I clearly said that every one is this blog who is racist SUCKS, and i mean that.

you got some major issues man, so don't point the finger at anyone because when you do there's always three pointing back at you.
 
snfu73
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#93
Quote: Originally Posted by bmckieView Post

This may be a touchy subject...
I was reading some stats today, and it appears that crime is really high in Saskatoon (first place across Canada!). The indexes and a quick search on the web (various articles describing robberies, murders, car thefts etc) painted a rather grim image of what I used to consider a "nice little Prairies town". Is it possible that I was grossly mistaken? I mean, for someone living in Montreal (a city with an apparently elevated crime rate), this comes as a shock to me.
So - what's the situation out there? I tend to take with a grain of salt discourses like "I'm afraid to walk into the streets of Saskatoon's downtown at 5pm" or "many of my female colleagues have been mugged/nearly raped/etc in broad daylight" or anything similar; on the other hand, I'm ready to admit that the (sad) reality is sometimes worse than fiction... so, honestly - which one is it?

It is sad to see that Saskatoon does have high crime statistics. It is a really nice town. I have never feared for my life there or anything like that, however, I will acknowledge that there are issues. What the issues are, I'm not sure...but I don't think that the actions of what appears to be a corrupt police force have helped matters much...
 
snfu73
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#94
Quote: Originally Posted by WinnipeggerView Post

Good because it appears that you, like most aboriginals, like to blame everyone else for your problems. We do not need more of that.

WHAT THE!!!! I can't believe you wrote that crap...and that is what it is...crap...racist frickin crap.
 
Winnipegger
#95
Let's use Phil Fontaine's recent adventure: attack the government for not spending more, more, more and more money on Aboriginal foster children.

Is he telling Aboriginal mothers to cease having children if they cannot care for them? NO! he is blaming everyone else. This is typical for Aboriginal leaders. Rather than fix the root of the problem, he lashes out at the government. Fontaine needs to tell Aboriginal women to stop having babies when they cannot take care of them; go to school, get a good job, then have babies.

In the US, Bill Cosby has criticized African Americans for not working harder to better themselves, and need to take more responsibility for thier families and communities. he argues that they need to stop blaming whites and take control of their children and communities.

In Winnipeg, efforts are underway to revitalize downtown. I see no Aboriginal leaders stepping up to contribute. Main Street can be a rich mosaic hub of Aboriginal culture, yet no one in the community is making an effort. I suppose because they are expecting the "white man" to do this for them.

It is the easiest and most convenient excuse to call someone racist, as opposed to looking at your community and identifying what you are doing wrong; namely having children, then expecting the taxpayers to take care of them when you cannot.
 
Creeman
#96
"Let's use Phil Fontaine's recent adventure: attack the government for not spending more, more, more and more money on Aboriginal foster children.

Is he telling Aboriginal mothers to cease having children if they cannot care for them? NO! he is blaming everyone else. This is typical for Aboriginal leaders. Rather than fix the root of the problem, he lashes out at the government. Fontaine needs to tell Aboriginal women to stop having babies when they cannot take care of them; go to school, get a good job, then have babies.

In the US, Bill Cosby has criticized African Americans for not working harder to better themselves, and need to take more responsibility for thier families and communities. he argues that they need to stop blaming whites and take control of their children and communities.

In Winnipeg, efforts are underway to revitalize downtown. I see no Aboriginal leaders stepping up to contribute. Main Street can be a rich mosaic hub of Aboriginal culture, yet no one in the community is making an effort. I suppose because they are expecting the "white man" to do this for them.

It is the easiest and most convenient excuse to call someone racist, as opposed to looking at your community and identifying what you are doing wrong; namely having children, then expecting the taxpayers to take care of them when you cannot."

Phil Fontaine is not our leader; he never has been, so stop using his name so much in here. he's just a puppet for the Canadian government, a sell out. what kinda people do you get your facts from? I mean Bill Cosby, seriously how can you expect to get anyone to listen to you by qouting him?
 
Winnipegger
#97
Um, Bill Cosby is more respected than you can ever hope to be.

Phil Fontaine is not employed, nor does he work on behalf of the Canadian Government, so how can he be its puppet?

he is one example of an Aboriginal activist who blames government for Aboriginal problems, and while there is a role for government, it should not be attacked because it does not spend the whole Canadian budget on Aboriginals.

I have talked with numerous people, from residents of northern communities, to government officials, to friends who have visited reserves, and they all say the same thing: Aboriginals purposely destroy their homes, etc. They have no regard for anyone or anything. Stop having children, then you won't have overcrowding. Why is that so hard to comprehend? No income = no children. It really is that simple.

Reserves, in their current form, do not work. It is fine that some Aboriginals want to live on reserves, but industry needs to set up shop to provide employment. The governmentof Canada can play a role in offering tax incentives for companies that open businesses near reserves.

Jobs = home ownership = pride.
 
Creeman
#98
"Um, Bill Cosby is more respected than you can ever hope to be.

Phil Fontaine is not employed, nor does he work on behalf of the Canadian Government, so how can he be its puppet?

he is one example of an Aboriginal activist who blames government for Aboriginal problems, and while there is a role for government, it should not be attacked because it does not spend the whole Canadian budget on Aboriginals.

I have talked with numerous people, from residents of northern communities, to government officials, to friends who have visited reserves, and they all say the same thing: Aboriginals purposely destroy their homes, etc. They have no regard for anyone or anything. Stop having children, then you won't have overcrowding. Why is that so hard to comprehend? No income = no children. It really is that simple.

Reserves, in their current form, do not work. It is fine that some Aboriginals want to live on reserves, but industry needs to set up shop to provide employment. The governmentof Canada can play a role in offering tax incentives for companies that open businesses near reserves.

Jobs = home ownership = pride."

Bill Cosby is a more respected person than me? how so? you don't know me, so how could you come to that conclusion? could it be because i am an indian?

i like it how you're still trying to impose your values on indians, too. jobs=home ownership= pride? what kinda ethnocentric bull**** is that? you live on our land. the land is our pride and the land is all we need to live.

of course the reserves don't work. you're telling me that? do you think that we wanted to be stuck on those stupid reserves while the rest of our land gets raped by bigots like you?

phil fontaine works for the afn and he claims to be the national chief right? traditionally, we never had national chiefs or indian act band councils, that whole puppet system was imposed on our people.
 
Winnipegger
#99
Get this through your head: this is not your land.

What in hell do you intend to do with any land given? In order to do anything with it, you need money, and you expect that from us? Forget it. This is not 1800, and you cannot rely on a fire and tipi, and animal skins. Either evolve like the rest of us, or just kill yourself. Simple! You would enjoy being primitive and barbaric living life as your ancestors did? That is a warped perception of what life is. The world is connecting, and you want to sit around a fire and chant?

grow up!
 
hermanntrude
#100
welcome to the two newbies. fight nicely :0)
 
Creeman
#101
not my land? and whose land is it then? yours. dream on buddy.

i will live as my ancestors did because it is my right to and you cannot deny me of anything no matter who you are. i would like to see it. is that your idea of human evolution? to become so advanced, that everything natural is primitive? listen to yourself. it is because of idiots like you that our world is coming to an end.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by CreemanView Post

not my land? and whose land is it then? yours. dream on buddy.

i will live as my ancestors did because it is my right to and you cannot deny me of anything no matter who you are. i would like to see it. is that your idea of human evolution? to become so advanced, that everything natural is primitive? listen to yourself. it is because of idiots like you that our world is coming to an end.

Nice idiot identification Creeman.
 
Winnipegger
#103
I am the furthest from religious, but it is God's land. You should know this because traditional Aboriginal teachings often refer to God (creator) and spiritual awareness. We are all here on it, and we have to make the best lives for ourselves. While there are both good and bad results of progression (good: advances in medicine, bad: man relies too much on automation), it cannot be stopped, so you might as well join society.

For starters, why not go preach your gospel to the aboriginal youth trash who hang around Portage Place because they have nothing better to do. You think you are so edified, then share your ideas with your people.
 
Creeman
#104
WinnipeggerI am the furthest from religious, but it is God's land. You should know this because traditional Aboriginal teachings often refer to God (creator) and spiritual awareness. We are all here on it, and we have to make the best lives for ourselves. While there are both good and bad results of progression (good: advances in medicine, bad: man relies too much on automation), it cannot be stopped, so you might as well join society.

For starters, why not go preach your gospel to the aboriginal youth trash who hang around Portage Place because they have nothing better to do. You think you are so edified, then share your ideas with your people.

you're telling me that the " if you can't beat em, join em" attitude will work for everyone. I will not assimilate because you tell me to. why can't you seem to understand anything? I can live in both worlds and having people stereo type me doesn't really help anything.

that's all we ever have been to people like you is "aboriginal youth trash". there lies the problem. you can't even recognize our people as human.

let me ask you a question. what makes you so much better than native people. i'm just curious.
 
Winnipegger
#105
I never said I was better than you. I think Aboriginal youth who reject schooling and congregate outside a mall are trash.

First off, you need to decide what you want. You criticize me for saying that industry is needed on reserves to employ Aboriginals who prefer to live on reserves. So if I said abolish reserves all together, and basically relocate all on-reserve Aboriginals to cities, you would criticize that too. So, I guess the only alternative is to NOT attract jobs to reserves, let Aboriginals stay on reserves, but have government support? Hmmm, that seems like a horrible solution. What about the equation jobs = pride is flawed? if government is not doing enough in the eyes of many Chiefs, why do Aboriginals on reserves not return to their historic way of life? I am thinking because they do not want to. Otherwise, we would see an instant transformation of reserves into a collection of tipis, etc.

I grew up with an alcoholic father who was abusive. This did not affect who i wanted to be, and what I wanted out of life. I am successful because of hard work, and focusing on what i want. I had no role model (my mother as a person) but no guidance to help me shape a career, etc. I had to figure that out on my own.
 
Creeman
#106
Quote: Originally Posted by WinnipeggerView Post

I never said I was better than you. I think Aboriginal youth who reject schooling and congregate outside a mall are trash.

First off, you need to decide what you want. You criticize me for saying that industry is needed on reserves to employ Aboriginals who prefer to live on reserves. So if I said abolish reserves all together, and basically relocate all on-reserve Aboriginals to cities, you would criticize that too. So, I guess the only alternative is to NOT attract jobs to reserves, let Aboriginals stay on reserves, but have government support? Hmmm, that seems like a horrible solution. What about the equation jobs = pride is flawed? if government is not doing enough in the eyes of many Chiefs, why do Aboriginals on reserves not return to their historic way of life? I am thinking because they do not want to. Otherwise, we would see an instant transformation of reserves into a collection of tipis, etc.

I grew up with an alcoholic father who was abusive. This did not affect who i wanted to be, and what I wanted out of life. I am successful because of hard work, and focusing on what i want. I had no role model (my mother as a person) but no guidance to help me shape a career, etc. I had to figure that out on my own.

There is nothing wrong with that Jobs=home ownership= pride equation. I simply pointed out that it is ethnocentric or perhaps eurocentric. that whole concept was brought to this continent via western civilization and to top it off it was a culture that was forced on my people. That is what I have a problem with.

FYI. there is people living traditional lives. you just don't understand to which length that they live it. i wouldn't go as far as saying living in tipis or anything like that; nevertheless, they still live off the land and practise ceremony and speak the language fluently, ect. If you haven't noticed that all the buffalo are no longer running wild in the prairies; it would be almost impossible to return to that way of life. besides, not every tribe lived in tipis or hunted buffalo ( do some research).

my grandfather always taught his kids to work and at the same time to live off the land, having said that, i am not arguing against making more jobs for people on reserves; however, I am saying that going in and further destroying land for profit is where i would draw the line. Capitalism is not something that i encourage or would teach to my people, not that they haven't already learned about it.
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Creeman
#107
Quote: Originally Posted by WinnipeggerView Post

I am the furthest from religious, but it is God's land. You should know this because traditional Aboriginal teachings often refer to God (creator) and spiritual awareness. We are all here on it, and we have to make the best lives for ourselves. While there are both good and bad results of progression (good: advances in medicine, bad: man relies too much on automation), it cannot be stopped, so you might as well join society.

For starters, why not go preach your gospel to the aboriginal youth trash who hang around Portage Place because they have nothing better to do. You think you are so edified, then share your ideas with your people.

Do I look like a christian to you?

My guess is that you think crown land and the Canadian government think they're god right?
They laid claims to it when we told em it wasn't ours to sell, they still proceeded with colonization anyway. It is our land; it is ours to take care of it. it's not in the same way that you think though. it is meant for all of our people to share and ensure that it is still here for our future generations. that's the difference.
 
Winnipegger
#108
Too bad more people (even non-Aboriginals) do not seem to share your Grandfather's wisdom.

I am an Outsider looking in, just as all non-Aboriginals are; I do not mean to force anything on Aboriginals, but as a community that is plagued with so many issues, it needs to be rejuvinated. Reserves need to be abolished, but of course, there are many Aboriginals on reserves who want to live in such a community. So, in order for there to be adequate housing, etc, jobs need to be provided.
 
CDNBear
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#109
Quote: Originally Posted by CreemanView Post

I am confused now. Are people in this blog just being straight out racist or are people just trying to figure why natives have these types of things going on in their communities?

I speak my truth here and if people cannot acknowledge it, then perhaps, you should be talking about topic that you know more about.

Creeman, I have been saying that since I got here. There are many miss conceptions and stereotypical thoughts floating around here. Like I mentioned in my reply to you in another thread, these sereotypes come from somewhere, they didn't just pop up last night, in peoples minds. It's people like me and you that have to get the word out, that we are not all gas huffing asshats. We can be and are productive citizens, that contribute greatly to society.
 
Creeman
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Creeman, I have been saying that since I got here. There are many miss conceptions and stereotypical thoughts floating around here. Like I mentioned in my reply to you in another thread, these sereotypes come from somewhere, they didn't just pop up last night, in peoples minds. It's people like me and you that have to get the word out, that we are not all gas huffing asshats. We can be and are productive citizens, that contribute greatly to society.

yeah, you are right.
 
CDNBear
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#111
Quote: Originally Posted by CreemanView Post

yeah, you are right.

This is likely the reason for your confusion on where I stand.

I generally only hold contempt for Native people who do more damage to the cause, then benefit, by playing right into the myths and stereotypes and of course politicians. But being the arrogant ass that I am, it pisses me right off, when I blow my peeps horn and make a good show of it, then some posts some new stupid move by another Native leader or criminal. It hurts my ego and my heart.
 
Winnipegger
#112
Like this?

Officer deflects attack
Man charged with assault with weapon
Sun Mar 4 2007

A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday evening after he lunged at a Winnipeg police officer's head with a knife.

Patrolling city police stopped to investigate a dispute between a man and woman near Higgins Avenue and Main Street shortly after 7 p.m. The man approached the police cruiser to speak with officers, pulled a knife from his jacket pocket and lunged through the window of the cruiser.
The officer deflected the blow and the two struggled. The suspect broke away from the officer, dropped his weapon and attempted to flee the area.
After a short foot chase, the man was arrested.
Sgt. Kelly Dennison said the violent incident was unusual, and police officers are rarely attacked with dangerous weapons.
"Nobody was injured, luckily," Dennison said. "It could've been quite serious." Dennison said the incident shows the dangers police officers face each day on the job, noting physical assaults are much more common than attacks with weapons. Elvis Alexander Turtle, 23, has been charged with assault with a weapon, possession of a weapon for dangerous purpose and obstructing an officer.
 
Winnipegger
#113
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Where the hell are native leaders denouncing this?
 
Winnipegger
#114
It is absolutely ridiculous that things like this seem to happen every f*cken day. I am so sick of this. If you cannot act like a human being, kill yourself, or go live in the wild....


Winnipeg police are looking for a man who tried unsuccessfully to sexually assault a woman in the West End last night.

Police say the man grabbed an 18-year-old woman near the corner of Sherbrook Street and Sargent Avenue about 10 p.m. yesterday then dragged her to a nearby back lane. He then tried to sexually assault her, but she got away and took off.

The man is described as being about 18 to 25 years old, Aboriginal, about 6-foot-2 or 6-foot-3, 200 pounds, with light skin, short dark hair, a thin moustache, thick dark eyebrows and scabs on his knuckles. He was wearing a white windbreaker, black jeans, white “Phat Farm” runners and a black and white camo baseball hat.
Anyone with information on the attack is asked to call police at 986-6668 or Crime Stoppers anonymously at 786-TIPS.
 
habsfan4life
#115
I didn't read the whole thread but are Saskatchewan's crime rates higher than Toronto and Montreal?
 
snfu73
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#116
Quote: Originally Posted by CreemanView Post

Everyone in this blog who is racist sucks.

that's all i will say.

That seems to be the overwhelming majority. What's with that?? I can't believe the crap I am reading in here. Seems that people would prefer to stick to their comfortable stereotypes than actually find out something about the issues they are discussing.
 
snfu73
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#117
Quote: Originally Posted by WinnipeggerView Post

It is absolutely ridiculous that things like this seem to happen every f*cken day. I am so sick of this. If you cannot act like a human being, kill yourself, or go live in the wild....


Winnipeg police are looking for a man who tried unsuccessfully to sexually assault a woman in the West End last night.

Police say the man grabbed an 18-year-old woman near the corner of Sherbrook Street and Sargent Avenue about 10 p.m. yesterday then dragged her to a nearby back lane. He then tried to sexually assault her, but she got away and took off.

The man is described as being about 18 to 25 years old, Aboriginal, about 6-foot-2 or 6-foot-3, 200 pounds, with light skin, short dark hair, a thin moustache, thick dark eyebrows and scabs on his knuckles. He was wearing a white windbreaker, black jeans, white “Phat Farm” runners and a black and white camo baseball hat.
Anyone with information on the attack is asked to call police at 986-6668 or Crime Stoppers anonymously at 786-TIPS.

And white folks never commit crimes? Hmmm...what colour skin did James Rosco have again? Hmmmm.

Remember that little incident...the one where Saskatoon police brought a young man named Neil Stonechild to the edge of the city in the middle of a freezing cold night...where he was found later...dead. What colour were those cops? White? Yaaaaaaa.
 
snfu73
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#118
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Creeman, I have been saying that since I got here. There are many miss conceptions and stereotypical thoughts floating around here. Like I mentioned in my reply to you in another thread, these sereotypes come from somewhere, they didn't just pop up last night, in peoples minds. It's people like me and you that have to get the word out, that we are not all gas huffing asshats. We can be and are productive citizens, that contribute greatly to society.

Then face the facts...native canadians aren't the only ones commiting crimes. Frick, in Edmonton, kids keep getting stabbed outside of bars and crap...none of it is related to a native canadian at all. Why is no one mentioning these crimes? What race was Paul Bernardo again? What race was Robert Pickton? You don't think white folks commit crimes? It's just native folks? No, what I am seeing in this thread is an overwhelming amount of racism...and it's sad...it's scary. This is the kinda crap I would expect from Klan members. Some of you even have the nerve to claim you are christian? Is this what your god is teaching you?
 
hermanntrude
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#119
Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Canada is an extremely poor example of a democracy. Said it for years - it's crappy. We should bolt the doors of parliament and dare the mounties to undo them. A civil war fought to free a people of the grip of club democracy, where parties fight primarily to gain favours for their membership, is a worthy cause. And might in the end give this people a chance to be proud again.

advocating war? great idea. that'll help canada no end

Violence is not the answer.
 
Winnipegger
#120
Well considering the number of "white" people in our country, of course crimes will be committed by us--my God, what a feeble argument, the weakest argument.

The fact is, and the crime reports confirm, that in Winnipeg, the majority of crimes are committed by Aboriginals. Ignoring that, or offering flimsy arguments to the contrary is pathetic.

CJOB Radio:
Mon March 12/2007

Winnipeg Police are looking for suspects in a shooting in the core area this morning. Police confirm a shotgun blast through a window at 389 Avenue just after 5 this morning. No-one was hurt. No arrests have been made and they are looking for a number of young, Aboriginal suspects.
 

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