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Posts: 32 
Location: Saskatchewan
Location: Saskatchewan
March 29th, 2006, 12:01 AM
In Saskatchewan, there are not any jobs being created in rural Saskatchewan. This is because the NDP government is focussed primarily on the cities because that is where they get their votes from. There's a major rural-urban split in voters here. Rural Saskatchewan votes for the Sask Party and the cities vote for the NDP (which in Saskatchewan is pretty much a right-wing party, it's nothing like what the CCF was).
Rural Saskatchewaners will not get jobs in cities because they don't want to live in a city. They want to continue living the rural way of life. A huge percentage of Saskatchewan farmers go to Northern BC and ALberta to work in either oil, gas or logging during the winters so that they can afford to continue to farm.
In Saskatchewan, there are not any jobs being created in rural Saskatchewan. This is because the NDP government is focussed primarily on the cities because that is where they get their votes from. There's a major rural-urban split in voters here. Rural Saskatchewan votes for the Sask Party and the cities vote for the NDP (which in Saskatchewan is pretty much a right-wing party, it's nothing like what the CCF was).
Rural Saskatchewaners will not get jobs in cities because they don't want to live in a city. They want to continue living the rural way of life. A huge percentage of Saskatchewan farmers go to Northern BC and ALberta to work in either oil, gas or logging during the winters so that they can afford to continue to farm.
Newbie
Posts: 32
Location: Saskatchewan
Location: Saskatchewan
March 29th, 2006, 11:07 AM
Most of those 25.000 were probably from Saskatchewan.
What most people don't realize is that Saskatchewan and Alberta pretty much have the same resources (oil, gas, lumber, minerals etc.) and once upon a time Saskatchewan was even doing better than Alberta. However, things changed when Saskatchewan's government got too greedy (and as many said before, ended up going to jail for it). The government ruined things for us and we have been left with an urban-focussed NDP government (now a right-wing party, nothing like what the CCF Party used to be). The "new" NDP gave a lot of control of our resources to the federal government (remember the energy fight of the late 70s?). Alberta, on the other hand, had a strong government who stood for Alberta first and foremost. King Ralph is hugely respected in Saskatchewan. Saskatchewaners relocate to Alberta in droves because of the good government. Alberta is truly thought of as a "land of oppourtunity". I am 22 and everyone my age heads to Alberta. I know very few people who stay in Saskatchewan. It is not because they don't love Saskatchewan, because they do, but because they (and I) know that there is no future there for us right now. Our parents, though they wanted us to stay, pushed us to go west. Things need to change. I myself am not living there right now (I am living in the dreary city of Winnipeg going to school and will probably go to Alberta when I graduate). I love the rural way of life and will never be happy living in a city. Alberta is a place where I can still do that.
Most of those 25.000 were probably from Saskatchewan.
What most people don't realize is that Saskatchewan and Alberta pretty much have the same resources (oil, gas, lumber, minerals etc.) and once upon a time Saskatchewan was even doing better than Alberta. However, things changed when Saskatchewan's government got too greedy (and as many said before, ended up going to jail for it). The government ruined things for us and we have been left with an urban-focussed NDP government (now a right-wing party, nothing like what the CCF Party used to be). The "new" NDP gave a lot of control of our resources to the federal government (remember the energy fight of the late 70s?). Alberta, on the other hand, had a strong government who stood for Alberta first and foremost. King Ralph is hugely respected in Saskatchewan. Saskatchewaners relocate to Alberta in droves because of the good government. Alberta is truly thought of as a "land of oppourtunity". I am 22 and everyone my age heads to Alberta. I know very few people who stay in Saskatchewan. It is not because they don't love Saskatchewan, because they do, but because they (and I) know that there is no future there for us right now. Our parents, though they wanted us to stay, pushed us to go west. Things need to change. I myself am not living there right now (I am living in the dreary city of Winnipeg going to school and will probably go to Alberta when I graduate). I love the rural way of life and will never be happy living in a city. Alberta is a place where I can still do that.
Newbie
Posts: 32
Location: Saskatchewan
Location: Saskatchewan
March 29th, 2006, 02:11 PM
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Perhaps, but there is a major difference between Alberta and Ontario (Southeast Ontario). As a Western Canadian I think I might feel like a traitor moving to Ontario. As a Saskatchewaner I have much more loyalty to Alberta.
"Alberta is a place where I can still do that."
Ontario too!
Ontario too!
Newbie
Posts: 32
Location: Saskatchewan
Location: Saskatchewan
March 29th, 2006, 02:32 PM
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There are huge differences between Ontario and Alberta but you are right, we probably wouldn't agree what those things are. But that's healthy.
Interesting.
There is a huge diffrence between the two, but I doubt we agree on what that is!
There is a huge diffrence between the two, but I doubt we agree on what that is!
Newbie
Posts: 32
Location: Saskatchewan
Location: Saskatchewan
March 29th, 2006, 03:01 PM
Northwest Ontario is pretty much a part of the west (what many people don't realize). I have many friends from there who have shared their thoughts with me. I think they should get their own province with Thunder Bay as the capital or something. Apparently they feel they have no real voice in the province since the provincial government basically works for Southeast Ontario. Ontario's government doesn't do a lot for the rural areas, does it? Alberta does. That's what makes the difference. The provincial Alberta government has always maintained that rural Alberta is the backbone of Alberta.
I know I'm very rural-focussed. I am a fifth-year student with a joint Family Studies/Canadian Studies major at university with a specializtion in Rural Canadian Family Studies. I do a lot of research in that area.
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Now, what is it I'm wrong about?
Not if your wrong about it isn't.... 
Northwest Ontario is pretty much a part of the west (what many people don't realize). I have many friends from there who have shared their thoughts with me. I think they should get their own province with Thunder Bay as the capital or something. Apparently they feel they have no real voice in the province since the provincial government basically works for Southeast Ontario. Ontario's government doesn't do a lot for the rural areas, does it? Alberta does. That's what makes the difference. The provincial Alberta government has always maintained that rural Alberta is the backbone of Alberta.
I know I'm very rural-focussed. I am a fifth-year student with a joint Family Studies/Canadian Studies major at university with a specializtion in Rural Canadian Family Studies. I do a lot of research in that area.
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Posts: 8,366 
March 29th, 2006, 05:05 PM
Does the Ontario government support rural?
Rural in Ontario is massive....basically if it isn't town or city it is farm field, pasture or it's covered in trees. In southwestern Ontario, there aren't any massive forests; there are wood lots on private land and conservation areas. Basically living in southwestern Ontario is living in a cornfield. If it isn't a cornfield its cow pasture mabey some trees. On or about 80% of Ontario is "crown land" land held by the province. Southwestern Ontario is mostly in private hands with northern Ontario and chunks of eastern Ontario are owned by the government. Northern Ontario gets tons of infrastructure money it couldn't maintain, including things like universities and hospitals. Southwestern Ontario has agriculture and industry. All of these things receive various supports from the government.
It is true there is an attachment to the west in northern Ontario and this stems from history and geography. Winnipeg is a closer city for those people than other major cities in Ontario. Manitoba can barley support itself now they couldn't take Northern Ontario, and personally I think instead of northern Ontario separating, Manitoba should join Ontario.
Just so you know, I am from Sudbury and grew up in southwestern Ontario, so I am familiar with both areas...I just haven't made it out to Ottawa yet.
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I'm just kidding with you...trying to create a little east vs. west rivalry. Quoting
Now, what is it I'm wrong about?
Not if your wrong about it isn't....
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Yes I'm aware of the animosity that northern Ontario has towards the southwestern/central parts of the province. To put it bluntly, northern Ontario couldn’t survive on their own; they don't have the population or the infrastructure to pull it off. What they fail to realize is, as much as they say they don't have a voice in Ontario, a disproportional amount of Ontario money goes north for the population they hold. With a population of only 110k in Thunder Bay, and that being the only city in the entire region, they don't stand a chance. We are already funding the project that is northern Ontario, if they separated we would just be funding them through transfer payments to do the same things we are doing now. The area you are talking about is also huge and you can't grow anything there other than trees and blueberries. Half the year it is under 10ft of snow. The only thing happening up there is natural resources or working for the government. There is some retail also.
Northwest Ontario is pretty much a part of the west (what many people don't realize). I have many friends from there who have shared their thoughts with me. I think they should get their own province with Thunder Bay as the capital or something. Apparently they feel they have no real voice in the province since the provincial government basically works for Southeast Ontario. Ontario's government doesn't do a lot for the rural areas, does it? Alberta does. That's what makes the difference. The provincial Alberta government has always maintained that rural Alberta is the backbone of Alberta.
Does the Ontario government support rural?
Rural in Ontario is massive....basically if it isn't town or city it is farm field, pasture or it's covered in trees. In southwestern Ontario, there aren't any massive forests; there are wood lots on private land and conservation areas. Basically living in southwestern Ontario is living in a cornfield. If it isn't a cornfield its cow pasture mabey some trees. On or about 80% of Ontario is "crown land" land held by the province. Southwestern Ontario is mostly in private hands with northern Ontario and chunks of eastern Ontario are owned by the government. Northern Ontario gets tons of infrastructure money it couldn't maintain, including things like universities and hospitals. Southwestern Ontario has agriculture and industry. All of these things receive various supports from the government.
It is true there is an attachment to the west in northern Ontario and this stems from history and geography. Winnipeg is a closer city for those people than other major cities in Ontario. Manitoba can barley support itself now they couldn't take Northern Ontario, and personally I think instead of northern Ontario separating, Manitoba should join Ontario.
Just so you know, I am from Sudbury and grew up in southwestern Ontario, so I am familiar with both areas...I just haven't made it out to Ottawa yet.
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Thats great. It takes all kinds to run this place.
I know I'm very rural-focussed. I am a fifth-year student with a joint Family Studies/Canadian Studies major at university with a specializtion in Rural Canadian Family Studies. I do a lot of research in that area.
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
March 29th, 2006, 05:16 PM
I was born here, grew up mostly in Calgary, lived in Saskatoon and Winnipeg for short stints. I'm a westerner at heart, even after all these years.
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Yeah, well. Ottawa is where it's at!
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I was born here, grew up mostly in Calgary, lived in Saskatoon and Winnipeg for short stints. I'm a westerner at heart, even after all these years.
Newbie
Posts: 32
Location: Saskatchewan
Location: Saskatchewan
March 29th, 2006, 05:25 PM
I'm living in Winnipeg right now and you are dead wrong about Manitoba not being able to support itself. It is doing quite well actually--slow growth but that can be a good thing.
Northwest Ontario has a population of about 350,000 people (including about 150,000 people in Thunder Bay).
Ontario's situation is very similar to Canada's situation as a whole (the east verses west argument). Some say Northern Ontario has a much smaller population so it only deserves a proportionate amount of provincial money and power. But Northern Ontario contains a lot more land and natural resources.
The Ontario government pays Manitoba transfer payments for the Northern Ontario residents who use Manitoba's governemnt services including healthcare. If anything, Northern Ontario should join Manitoba.
I am a proponent of proportional representation. I think monies and seats should be divided via land area rather than via population amount.
Manitoba is not as gungho pro-West as the rest of Canada but if push came to shove they would never in a million years join Ontario. Western alienation and seperatism has its roots in Manitoba and Manitoba would side with its Western neighbours any day over Ontario.
Oh, by the way, I'm not a Western seperatist but I am pro-West, in support of reforming the federal governing institutions. There is a difference.
I'm living in Winnipeg right now and you are dead wrong about Manitoba not being able to support itself. It is doing quite well actually--slow growth but that can be a good thing.
Northwest Ontario has a population of about 350,000 people (including about 150,000 people in Thunder Bay).
Ontario's situation is very similar to Canada's situation as a whole (the east verses west argument). Some say Northern Ontario has a much smaller population so it only deserves a proportionate amount of provincial money and power. But Northern Ontario contains a lot more land and natural resources.
The Ontario government pays Manitoba transfer payments for the Northern Ontario residents who use Manitoba's governemnt services including healthcare. If anything, Northern Ontario should join Manitoba.
I am a proponent of proportional representation. I think monies and seats should be divided via land area rather than via population amount.
Manitoba is not as gungho pro-West as the rest of Canada but if push came to shove they would never in a million years join Ontario. Western alienation and seperatism has its roots in Manitoba and Manitoba would side with its Western neighbours any day over Ontario.
Oh, by the way, I'm not a Western seperatist but I am pro-West, in support of reforming the federal governing institutions. There is a difference.
Yo
Posts: 3,537
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
Location: Counting Flowers on the Wall
March 29th, 2006, 05:29 PM
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Do you get outside of Ottawa much? Are there lots of farms and such?
Yes, lots of wiiiiiddddeee open spaces. The population is about 600k now, lots of room for cows yet.
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Post on message boards. What do you think we do while at work after smoking ajoint at lunch. Duuhh.
Do you get outside of Ottawa much? Are there lots of farms and such?
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Posts: 8,366
March 29th, 2006, 05:34 PM
I'm pro west too, in the Alberta sense of it. We do need to change this little arrangement we have set up, that's a big reason why I vote conservative.
Ontario should annex Manitoba...face it, you would be happier.
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Doesn't Manitoba receive transfer payments from the feds?
I'm living in Winnipeg right now and you are dead wrong about Manitoba not being able to support itself. It is doing quite well actually--slow growth but that can be a good thing.
Northwest Ontario has a population of about 350,000 people (including about 150,000 people in Thunder Bay).
Ontario's situation is very similar to Canada's situation as a whole (the east verses west argument). Some say Northern Ontario has a much smaller population so it only deserves a proportionate amount of provincial money and power. But Northern Ontario contains a lot more land and natural resources.
The Ontario government pays Manitoba transfer payments for the Northern Ontario residents who use Manitoba's governemnt services including healthcare. If anything, Northern Ontario should join Manitoba.
I am a proponent of proportional representation. I think monies and seats should be divided via land area rather than via population amount.
Manitoba is not as gungho pro-West as the rest of Canada but if push came to shove they would never in a million years join Ontario. Western alienation and seperatism has its roots in Manitoba and Manitoba would side with its Western neighbours any day over Ontario.
Oh, by the way, I'm not a Western seperatist but I am pro-West, in support of reforming the federal governing institutions. There is a difference.
Northwest Ontario has a population of about 350,000 people (including about 150,000 people in Thunder Bay).
Ontario's situation is very similar to Canada's situation as a whole (the east verses west argument). Some say Northern Ontario has a much smaller population so it only deserves a proportionate amount of provincial money and power. But Northern Ontario contains a lot more land and natural resources.
The Ontario government pays Manitoba transfer payments for the Northern Ontario residents who use Manitoba's governemnt services including healthcare. If anything, Northern Ontario should join Manitoba.
I am a proponent of proportional representation. I think monies and seats should be divided via land area rather than via population amount.
Manitoba is not as gungho pro-West as the rest of Canada but if push came to shove they would never in a million years join Ontario. Western alienation and seperatism has its roots in Manitoba and Manitoba would side with its Western neighbours any day over Ontario.
Oh, by the way, I'm not a Western seperatist but I am pro-West, in support of reforming the federal governing institutions. There is a difference.
I'm pro west too, in the Alberta sense of it. We do need to change this little arrangement we have set up, that's a big reason why I vote conservative.
Ontario should annex Manitoba...face it, you would be happier.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 583
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
March 30th, 2006, 01:44 AM
I'm on the other side of this. I'll be one of the few people moving from Alberta to Saskatchewan. Seeing as how the cost of living has skyrocketed with the wages around here, its next to impossible to go to school and have enough money to eat and pay rent. Especially here in Calgary.
I'm on the other side of this. I'll be one of the few people moving from Alberta to Saskatchewan. Seeing as how the cost of living has skyrocketed with the wages around here, its next to impossible to go to school and have enough money to eat and pay rent. Especially here in Calgary.
