The mind that is seeking truth will never find it

[china]

You cannot find truth through anybody else. How can you? Surely, truth is not something static; it has no fixed abode; it is not an end, a goal. On the contrary, it is living, dynamic, alert, alive. How can it be an end? If truth is a fixed point, it is no longer truth; it is then a mere opinion. Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it. For mind is made up of the known, it is the result of the past, the outcome of time;which you can observe for yourself. Mind is the instrument of the known, hence, it cannot find the unknown; it can only move from the known to the known. When the mind seeks truth, the truth it has read about in books, that truth is self-projected, for then the mind is merely in pursuit of the known, a known more satisfactory than the previous one. When the mind seeks truth, it is seeking its own self-projection, not truth.
Your point of view .8O

 

[Avro]

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[lone wolf]

This Krishnamurti fellow sounds a bit pessimistic.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Your point of view .8O

My point of view is that according to your tortured illogic we can't ever discover truth. Whatever that is. Truth is not some abstract thing sitting out there to be discovered (though according to you it can't be discovered anyway, so it doesn't matter), there has to be a context for it, it has to be about something. I take you to mean Truth in a philosophical sense as some ideal or fundamental reality that exists separate from our sensory experiences of it, and to a certain extent I'd agree. There is an objective reality out there that exists regardless of our perceptions of it, but I'd strenuously dispute what you appear to be claiming, that it's undiscoverable in principle.

 

[darkbeaver]

So then there is no truth only the road to a far far distant light, in the remotest reaches of whatever it is we and the road are suspended in, which I presume is an inn which serves very fine pork chops and ale where we are inclined to refresh ourselves truthfully before embarking once again on the interminable slogging toward another bloody light on the far away horizon of some very substantial event .:-?

 

[AnnaG]

You cannot find truth through anybody else. How can you? Surely, truth is not something static; it has no fixed abode; it is not an end, a goal. On the contrary, it is living, dynamic, alert, alive. How can it be an end? If truth is a fixed point, it is no longer truth; it is then a mere opinion.

Rocks aren't hard and trees aren't made of wood? Well, shiver me timbers; I never would have guessed.

Truth is the unknown,

No. Actually the unknown is a truth. But the truth is simply what is true. It is a known.

and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it.

lmao You will never know that rocks are hard, that people are fallible, and trees are made of wood, then. How sad for you.

For mind is made up of the known, it is the result of the past, the outcome of time;which you can observe for yourself. Mind is the instrument of the known, hence, it cannot find the unknown; it can only move from the known to the known. When the mind seeks truth, the truth it has read about in books, that truth is self-projected, for then the mind is merely in pursuit of the known, a known more satisfactory than the previous one. When the mind seeks truth, it is seeking its own self-projection, not truth.
Your point of view .8O

That's funny and definitely not true. If truth cannot be sought nor found, then it is irrelevant.
So people should just wander through life aimlessly. That's a dismal point of view you have.

 

[darkbeaver]

If wandering is the aim then it cannot be aimless.

 

[AnnaG]

If wandering is the aim then it cannot be aimless.

You misunderstood. The aim is to wonder, the act is to wander.

 

[darkbeaver]

They are both acts aren't they?

 

[countryboy]

You misunderstood. The aim is to wonder, the act is to wander.

Y'know, I always thought I had a reasonably adequate grip on the English language, but now I'm beginning to wonder. Since post #1 of this particular thread, I've been wandering - somewhat aimlessly - through the various posts, wondering if I've been wandering in wonder at what the truth actually is. Or isn't. Or might not be.
Or it could be bewilderment that I'm experiencing, not wonder. Hmm...I wonder...

As was originally mentioned by China in post #1, "truth is not something static; it has no fixed abode; it is not an end, a goal." So, if a witness to a crime is sworn to tell "the whole truth and nothing but the truth", does that mean they can refuse to testify based on the fact that the truth may be dynamic? (the opposite of static, and thus a "moving target") - we used to call it "bending the truth" but if there is no truth - or at least the mind can't find the truth - then I assume it isn't bendable.

My parents always told me I should tell the truth but as China points out, "Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it", then I shouldn't have been worried about telling the truth as it would be difficult for a child to figure out exactly what it is. Or isn't. An adult (in this case, me) is having enough trouble figuring it out.

In fact, I'm still wondering exactly what this thread is all about. Am I supposed to be seeking truth or defining it? (Another quote from post #1: "When the mind seeks truth, it is seeking its own self-projection, not truth.") Does that mean that if/when the mind is NOT seeking truth, it is seeking someone else's self-projection, thus "the truth?" Or, is there any such thing as "the truth?"

Perhaps it doesn't exist at all. Perhaps we've all been seeking "what is known" vs. "what is truth." Mind you, if something is known to be the truth, then we have a problem. Perhaps it is the unknown that is truth, but if it's unknown, then we can't know about it, and thus would not be able to determine if it is the truth. Or the untruth. Or anything else, because after all, we don't even know about it!

Geez, now I'm really in deep. Let's see, we have mind, truth, known, unknown, untruth (formerly known as a lie, or least a fib), self-projection, and possible someone else's self-projection. Which actually couldn't be self-projection because we talking about someone else, not our "self."

For some reason, I'm still experiencing a degree of wonder here...I'm wondering what the hell is going on! Perhaps I've lost my way (also known as "wandering", although that might not be the truth because, as we've already surmised, there is no truth), or maybe it's my mind, which is now in serious wandering mode. I can no longer self-project (and that could be detrimental to my social life. (It's true! Er, maybe not "true" but at least some kind of delusion) I can't even think anymore. And I sure as hell am no closer to finding the truth. Or even a lie. Maybe not even a satisfactory delusion. At least I know that truth cannot exist, in my mind or perhaps anywhere else.

However, I can still find 2 things: "Submit Reply" and "Logout."

 

[Nuggler]

""""""""""""For some reason, I'm still experiencing a degree of wonder here...I'm wondering what the hell is going on! Perhaps I've lost my way (also known as "wandering", although that might not be the truth because, as we've already surmised, there is no truth), or maybe it's my mind, which is now in serious wandering mode. I can no longer self-project (and that could be detrimental to my social life. (It's true! Er, maybe not "true" but at least some kind of delusion) I can't even think anymore. And I sure as hell am no closer to finding the truth. Or even a lie. Maybe not even a satisfactory delusion. At least I know that truth cannot exist, in my mind or perhaps anywhere else.

However, I can still find 2 things: "Submit Reply" and "Logout." """"""""""""


Ain't it the truth, though.:confused3:


gotta remember; bullshyte baffles brains.:tongue4:

 

[Cliffy]

I think that the gist of the ramble is that seeking the truth will keep it out of reach, because you have to believe you don't already have it. But if you stop for a moment and remember how many times life has had to whack you upside the head to get you to pay attention, it is at those times that the truth becomes really obvious.

 

[countryboy]

I think that the gist of the ramble is that seeking the truth will keep it out of reach, because you have to believe you don't already have it. But if you stop for a moment and remember how many times life has had to whack you upside the head to get you to pay attention, it is at those times that the truth becomes really obvious.

OK, that's starting to make sense. But, the truth about what? Or, perhaps I should ask if we have a definition of what the truth is?

 

[JLM]

You cannot find truth through anybody else. How can you? Surely, truth is not something static; it has no fixed abode; it is not an end, a goal. On the contrary, it is living, dynamic, alert, alive. How can it be an end? If truth is a fixed point, it is no longer truth; it is then a mere opinion. Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it. For mind is made up of the known, it is the result of the past, the outcome of time;which you can observe for yourself. Mind is the instrument of the known, hence, it cannot find the unknown; it can only move from the known to the known. When the mind seeks truth, the truth it has read about in books, that truth is self-projected, for then the mind is merely in pursuit of the known, a known more satisfactory than the previous one. When the mind seeks truth, it is seeking its own self-projection, not truth.
Your point of view .8O

What have you been smoking today? I don't have much problem getting the truth, but you have to know the right expert to ask or you can go to one of many reference books, like a Dictionary or Wikipedia. If it's a plumbing problem try a plumber, if an electrical problem try an electrician if a medical problem try a doctor- it's not rocket science.

 

[Cliffy]

OK, that's starting to make sense. But, the truth about what? Or, perhaps I should ask if we have a definition of what the truth is?

The truth is relative to the beholder. Just look at all the various opinions on this forum on just about any subject. Each opinion is based on the opinionator's belief in what is true about the subject. The truth is subjective, therefore, not objective and only relevant to the one who thinks it is true. That is why it is relatively difficult to ascertain. You have to wade through all those opinions but in the end it is only true to you because of your personal experiences in life. Whatever anybody else says is only their opinion and cannot be the truth once it escapes their mouth or keyboard.

 

[countryboy]

The truth is relative to the beholder. Just look at all the various opinions on this forum on just about any subject. Each opinion is based on the opinionator's belief in what is true about the subject. The truth is subjective, therefore, not objective and only relevant to the one who thinks it is true. That is why it is relatively difficult to ascertain. You have to wade through all those opinions but in the end it is only true to you because of your personal experiences in life. Whatever anybody else says is only their opinion and cannot be the truth once it escapes their mouth or keyboard.

Thanks, Cliff...makes sense to me.

Now let's keep in mind that some folks might not accept that, in light of the fact that it is not supported with documented evidence prepared an acknowledged and certified expert or experts in the field of truth.
ottytrain5:

 

[Cliffy]

Thanks, Cliff...makes sense to me.

Now let's keep in mind that some folks might not accept that, in light of the fact that it is not supported with documented evidence prepared an acknowledged and certified expert or experts in the field of truth.
ottytrain5:

I am a certifiable has been drip under pressure.:lol:

After seeking the truth for over forty years I came to the conclusion that the purpose of life is to be happy in spite of all the insanity around me. (of course, all that insanity is a projection of my own mind.) That is my truth. Everyone else can kiss my imaginary butt (since I am only a figment of my own imagination).

 

[darkbeaver]

China, is it true that you post here at CC under the name China?

 

[china]

China, is it true that you post here at CC under the name China?

Sometimes .

 

[Cliffy]

Ah So! You have an alter ego? Whom would that be? Mhz, eanassir, Paul Martin?