Be free from time .

[china]

Without meditation, there is no self-knowledge; without self-knowledge, there is no meditation. So, you must begin to know what you are. You cannot go far without beginning near, without understanding your daily process of thought, feeling , and action. In other words, thought must understand its own working, and when you see yourself in operation, you will observe that thought moves from the known to the known. You cannot think about the unknown. That which you know is not real because what you know is only in time. To be free from the net of time is the important concern, not to think about the unknown, because you cannot think about the unknown. The answers to your prayers are of the known. To receive the unknown, the mind itself must become the unknown. The mind is the result of the thought process, the result of time, and this thought process must come to an end. The mind cannot think of that which is eternal, timeless; therefore, the mind must be free of time, the time process of the mind must be dissolved. Only when the mind is completely free from yesterday, and is therefore not using the present as a means to the future, is it capable of receiving the eternal.... Therefore, the concern in meditation is to know oneself, not only superficially, but the whole content of the inner, hidden consciousness. Without knowing all that and being free of its conditioning, you cannot possibly go beyond the mind's limits. That is why the thought process must cease, and for this cessation there must be knowledge of oneself.8O

 

[Spade]

To be free of time, travel at the speed of light!

 

[talloola]

I will never accomplish what you describe, as I don't meditate,
and don't have any desire to meditate. My daughter meditates very
deeply, more deeply than most, and I do understand what she is
doing, but will never be able to do it, and the only way one can
accomplish what you describe is to meditate, as there doesn't
seem to be any other way to be free of every thought that is possible.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Without meditation, there is no self-knowledge; without self-knowledge, there is no meditation.

So where do you start? If you can't get self-knowledge without meditation, and you can't meditate without self- knowledge, it would seem then that both must be permanently out of reach, you can't get there from here. So what's the point? Take a course in elementary logic.

 

[countryboy]

Quote: "That is why the thought process must cease, and for this cessation there must be knowledge of oneself"

I think many peoples' thought processes would cease after reading your introduction. The language you used - obviously a translation from another language - is very difficult to follow, mainly due to the style choices.

Would you please boil it all down into a short paragraph, and kindly include your motivation or objective here? It might help to promote a good discussion if most people could understand it. Thank you.

 

[AnnaG]

lmao More pseudophilosophical nonsense?
A person doesn't need to meditate to learn about themselves. All you need for that is a memory of something, the way it made you feel, and a little self-analysis.

 

[Cliffy]

The logic in the OP could be compared to a circle jerk. Meditation is one means of quieting the mind, but not the only. It has been said that we only use 10% of our brain. That is absurd. If that were true our brains would shrink to 10% of its size. What is true of most people is that they only use 10% of their mind consciously.

If you pay attention you will find that the mind drones on and on repeating stuff it has heard during its life, much of which is negative. It is the core of our beliefs about ourselves and the "reality" we live in. But if you listen closely you will hear the voices of those who have influenced your life. Very few of those thoughts are very useful to us in our present life but they colour how we act and react to life as we experience it. This is the beginning of learning who we are. Once we know, we can change that dialogue to more positive ones that will have more positive effects on our lives.

 

[china]

Dexter Sinister

So where do you start? If you can't get self-knowledge without meditation, and you can't meditate without self- knowledge, it would seem then that both must be permanently out of reach, you can't get there from here. So what's the point? Take a course in elementary logic

At one time I have accused you of having a crystallized brain . Obviously you have repudiate that but your response to my latest post shows that my judgment was correct .

 

[weaselwords]

The easy way to grt there is to navel gaze.

 

[china]

To the above posts;
I hope that the following post which I have placed over a year ago will answer some of your questions.


8Ohat morning the sea was like a lake or an enormous river without a ripple, and so calm that you could see the reflections of the stars so early in the morning. The dawn had not yet come, and so the stars, and the reflection of the cliff, and the distant lights of the town, were there on the water. And as the sun came up over the horizon in a cloudless sky it made a golden path, and it was extraordinary to see that light of a China filling the earth and every leaf and blade of grass. As you watched, a great stillness came into you. The brain itself became very quiet, without any reaction, without a movement, and it was strange to feel this immense stillness. "Feel" isn't the word. The quality of that silence, that stillness, is not felt by the brain; it is beyond the brain. The brain can conceive, formulate or make a design for the future, but this stillness is beyond its range, beyond all imagination, beyond all desire. You are so still that your body becomes completely part of the earth, part of everything that is still.
And as the slight breeze came from the hills, stirring the leaves, this stillness, this extraordinary quality of silence, was not disturbed. The house was between the hills and the sea, over- looking the sea. And as you watched the sea, so very still you really became part of everything. You were everything. You were the light, and the beauty of love. Again, to say "you were a part of everything" is also wrong: the word "you" is not adequate because you really weren't there. You didn't exist. There was only that stillness, the beauty, the extraordinary sense of love. The words you and I separate things. This division in this strange silence and stillness doesn't exist. And as you watched out of the window, space and time seemed to have come to an end, and the space that divides had no reality. That leaf and that eucalyptus and the blue shining water were not different from you.
Meditation is really very simple. We complicate it. We weave a web of ideas round it what it is and what it is not. But it is none of these things. Because it is so very simple it escapes us, because our minds are so complicated, so time-worn and time-based. And this mind dictates the activity of the heart, and then the trouble begins. But meditation comes naturally, with extraordinary ease, when you walk on the sand or look out of your window or see those marvellous hills burnt by last summer's sun. The ecstasy of solitude comes when you are not frightened to be alone no longer belonging to the world or attached to anything. Then, like that dawn that came up this morning, it comes silently, and makes a golden path in the very stillness, which was at the beginning, which is now, and which will be always there.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Dexter Sinister

At one time I have accused you of having a crystallized brain .

Yeah, you've accused me of a lot of things. You haven't been right yet, because you have no idea what you're talking about and don't know how to think clearly or write a simple declarative sentence. You're full of meaningless New Age pseudo-profundity.

 

[talloola]

Yes China, I go to a place by the oceans edge often, where many of
the things you explain do happen, and I become just another blue heron, fishing ,or bald eagle soaring over the
ocean looking for lunch, and it is just part of life on earth, blending in and right at home, without a thought in the world,
a very simple setting, but nothing is more valuable or calming
or capable of settling one into 'what' really is life at it's best.

 

[Johnnny]

there are many ways to learning about yourself, too each his own i say

 

[china]

there are many ways to learning about yourself, too each his own i say

Many...............? Show me Johnnny , always learning.

 

[Johnnny]

use yor imagination i cant hold your hand

everyone has there thing, what works for me wont work for you per say

 

[china]

use yor imagination i cant hold your hand :icon_smile:

everyone has there thing, what works for me wont work for you per say

Hey Johnnny ....................that,s profound.

 

[Johnnny]

whats profound mean? i actually dont know what it means

 

[Cliffy]

Use profound in a Sentence
See web results for profound

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–adjective 1. penetrating or entering deeply into subjects of thought or knowledge; having deep insight or understanding: a profound thinker. 2. originating in or penetrating to the depths of one's being; profound grief. 3. being or going far beneath what is superficial, external, or obvious: profound insight. 4. of deep meaning; of great and broadly inclusive significance: a profound book. 5. pervasive or intense; thorough; complete: a profound silence. 6. extending, situated, or originating far down, or far beneath the surface: the profound depths of the ocean. 7. low: a profound bow. 8. deep.

 

[china]

Cliiffy,

–adjective 1. penetrating or entering deeply into subjects of thought or knowledge; having deep insight or understanding: a profound thinker. 2. originating in or penetrating to the depths of one's being; profound grief. 3. being or going far beneath what is superficial, external, or obvious: profound insight. 4. of deep meaning; of great and broadly inclusive significance: a profound book. 5. pervasive or intense; thorough; complete: a profound silence. 6. extending, situated, or originating far down, or far beneath the surface: the profound depths of the ocean. 7. low: a profound bow. 8. deep.

Heavy .
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deep&db=luna

 

[weaselwords]

China, sounds like your a follower of Sydney Banks (Aus not Can)