Intelligence and knowledge .

[china]

I think the skill of intelligence is to put knowledge in its right place. Without knowledge it’s not possible to live in this technological and almost mechanical civilization but it will not transform the human being and his society. Knowledge is not the excellence of intelligence; intelligence can and does use knowledge and thus transforms man and his society. Intelligence is not the mere cultivation of the intellect and its integrity. It comes out of the understanding of the whole consciousness of man, yourself and not a part, a separate segment, of yourself. The study and the understanding of the movement of your own mind and heart give birth to this intelligence. You are the content of your consciousness;in knowing yourself you will know the universe .This knowing is beyond the word for the word is not the thing. The freedom from the known, every minute, is the essence of intelligence. It’s this intelligence that is in operation in the universe if you leave it alone. You are destroying this sacredness of order through the ignorance of yourself. This ignorance is not banished by the studies others have made about you or themselves. You yourself have to study the content of your own consciousness.
That is ones point of view.8O

 

[talloola]

It matters not, what all of the so-called intelligent minds have decided re:
what is good for us, or not, why we do things, or not, what matters is how
well one can see through all of that, and know ourselves, and appreciate our
home on this earth, and embrace that, and see the same way the cave man saw,
and go from there to figure out how to survive in this world inspite of all of the
forces against us.
The cave man had the same intelligence we have, and had to
depend on himself to survive, and because we are here, he obviously was successful.

 

[AnnaG]

That's a lot of words just to say intelligence is the ability to apply knowledge and curiosity is the drive to acquire knowledge.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

That's a lot of words just to say intelligence is the ability to apply knowledge...

:smile: Yeah, and it's not true anyway. Acquiring knowledge and comprehension would also seem to have something to do with intelligence.

 

[china]

AnnaG

That's a lot of words just to say intelligence ......

......and it takes an intelligent mind to find the reason why.:lol:

 

[china]

Acquiring knowledge and comprehension would also seem to have something to do with intelligence.

That's what my post says;obviously some people have allot of knowledge but they lack the comprehension .:-|

 

[AnnaG]

Sometimes. Other times I think they lack the comprehension because the message isn't clear and concise.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

That's what my post says

No it's not. Maybe that's what you were thinking, and what you intended to say, but it's not what came out. Most of what you wrote is incomprehensible, and what *is* comprehensible is wrong.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

:smile: Yeah, and it's not true anyway. Acquiring knowledge and comprehension would also seem to have something to do with intelligence.

Here you are talking of two different things. I agree that comprehension requires intelligence. But that is not necessarily true of knowledge. One could acquire knowledge without any comprehension or intelligence. I could even program my computer to download all kinds of things from the internet. Thus computer can acquire knowledge, but it does not have intelligence to comprehend it.

Indeed, how many times it happens in mystery novels, somebody knows some minor detail but does not know how important that detail is. It requires the intelligence on the part of the detective to realize its importance, to put it in the proper place in the puzzle and to solve the mystery.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...Thus computer can acquire knowledge, but it does not have intelligence to comprehend it.

No, the computer acquires data, not knowledge. The computer can't meaningfully be said to know anything, any more than a book full of knowledge knows anything, it's a deterministic automaton. You can't have knowledge without comprehension, or you don't really know it.

 

[talloola]

Intelligence is what we are born with, our genetic inheritance from our parents and grandparents etc., we do not earn it.


Then the learning begins. Then the knowledge is gained, or not. ;-)

 

[china]

Most of what you wrote is incomprehensible,
and what *is* comprehensiolble is wrong.[/QUOTE

Like told you before you have problem comprehending even the
simplest things .Now , that's neither right or wrong ; it's just the way it is8O

No, the computer acquires data, not knowledge. The computer can't meaningfully be said to know anything, any more than a book full of knowledge knows anything

We can't meaningfully say that the sun is rising , we know better -but
we say it any way

 

[china]

AnnaG

Sometimes. Other times I think they lack the comprehension because the message isn't clear and concise.

A brain which is addicted to acquiring knowledge is only capable to function within that knowledge , it is incapable of stepping outside , into the 'unknown'.Such a brain has stopped learning from moment to moment and therefore it is incapable of comprehending anything new.

 

[china]

posted 2x

 

[china]

There is a distinction between intellect and intelligence. Intellect is thought functioning independently of emotion, whereas intelligence is the capacity to feel as well as to reason .
Knowledge is not comparable with intelligence, knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not marketable, it is not a merchandise that can be bought with the price of studying , learning or discipline. Wisdom cannot be found in books; it cannot be accumulated, memorized or stored up. Wisdom comes with the abnegation of the self. To have an open mind is more important than learning; and we can have an open mind, not by cramming it full of information but by being aware of our own thoughts and feelings, by carefully observing ourselves and the influences about us. Wisdom does not come through fear and oppression, but through the observation and understanding of everyday incidents in human relationship.
8OObviously some will not comprehend the above.8O

 

[SirJosephPorter]

No, the computer acquires data, not knowledge. The computer can't meaningfully be said to know anything, any more than a book full of knowledge knows anything, it's a deterministic automaton. You can't have knowledge without comprehension, or you don't really know it.

Maybe we are arguing about semantics, but what you call data, I call knowledge. When you take in knowledge, process it, draw conclusions from it and use it in life, I call that wisdom. To me knowledge is simply information, nothing more.

Thus I know the names of all the 14 Gilbert and Sullivan operas, that is knowledge. That is little more than data. Anybody can acquire knowledge through books, internet, television etc. But when there is comprehension, when you know what the knowledge means and apply it to real life, to me, that is wisdom, not knowledge.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Most of what you wrote is incomprehensible,
and what *is* comprehensiolble is wrong.[/QUOTE

Like told you before you have problem comprehending even the
simplest things .Now , that's neither right or wrong ; it's just the way it is

How do you manage to insert a spelling error when you're quoting, and fail to get the quote function to work properly? Preview is your friend, china.
I have no problem comprehending most things, the problem is that you seem unable to string together simple declarative sentences most of the time.

We can't meaningfully say that the sun is rising , we know better -but
we say it any way

That's just silly. It has meaning because there are conventions in language and usage that we all understand and agree on.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Maybe we are arguing about semantics...

Yes, that seems likely. Or should I say, "Quite so?" :lol:

I distinguish quite sharply among data, information, and knowledge. In overly simple terms (nobody'd read this if I explained it in detail), data's just a string of bits, information involves having data about the data (metadata, it's usually called) that gives it meaning, and knowledge means you comprehend that meaning and can do something with it.

 

[AnnaG]

AnnaG
A brain which is addicted to acquiring knowledge is only capable to function within that knowledge , it is incapable of stepping outside , into the 'unknown'.Such a brain has stopped learning from moment to moment and therefore it is incapable of comprehending anything new.

roflmao If you don't retain knowledge there is no point to learning. If you don't act upon your curiosity, you don't learn. You expect enlightenment to happen without knowledge? Remove all the cells in your head that have to do with remembering knowledge and you WILL be enlightened.
If you know nothing of the solar system, you don't understand that Earth orbits the sun. No knowledge, no comprehension.
Your hands must be burnt to stumps by now from that hot stove.

 

[AnnaG]

Princeton University Press defines "intellect" as "mind: knowledge and intellectual ability"
PUP defines "intelligence" as "the ability to comprehend; to understand and profit from experience", which is what the mind does.

Merriam-Webster says "intelligence" is

1 a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind c : mental acuteness : shrewdness
2 a : an intelligent entity; especially : angel b : intelligent minds or mind <cosmic intelligence>
3 : the act of understanding : comprehension
4 a : information, news b : information concerning an enemy or possible enemy or an area; also : an agency engaged in obtaining such information
5 : the ability to perform computer functions

and "intellect" is

1 a : the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will : the capacity for knowledge b : the capacity for rational or intelligent thought especially when highly developed
2 : a person with great intellectual powers