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April 7th, 2008, 10:23 PM
…Relationship is the only thing that we have, and without understanding that relationship we can never find out what reality is or God is. So, to bring about a complete change in the social structure, in society, the individual must cleanse his relationship, and the cleansing of relationship is the beginning of his own transformation.Just thinking .
…Relationship is the only thing that we have, and without understanding that relationship we can never find out what reality is or God is. So, to bring about a complete change in the social structure, in society, the individual must cleanse his relationship, and the cleansing of relationship is the beginning of his own transformation.Just thinking .
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April 8th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Quoting china …Relationship is the only thing that we have, and without understanding that relationship we can never find out what reality is or God is. So, to bring about a complete change in the social structure, in society, the individual must cleanse his relationship, and the cleansing of relationship is the beginning of his own transformation.Just thinking .
Relationships are what keeps me alive!!!! I try to understand those who I build my relationship on. My family, friends, and that "special" person. However; the only relationship that had changed my life completely was between me and my 3 year old neice. With her unconditioned love for her uncle; she brought me to life again just by being there and looking up tome. She asked me questions which at one time were irrelevant to me. She gave my a hug when I was not expecting it. She was so truthful in her observations of me. She brought me to life again. She will never know how she saved her uncle from self pity.......I will never want to cleanse that relationship.
…Relationship is the only thing that we have, and without understanding that relationship we can never find out what reality is or God is. So, to bring about a complete change in the social structure, in society, the individual must cleanse his relationship, and the cleansing of relationship is the beginning of his own transformation.Just thinking .
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April 8th, 2008, 01:14 AM
Quoting china …Relationship is the only thing that we have, and without understanding that relationship we can never find out what reality is or God is. So, to bring about a complete change in the social structure, in society, the individual must cleanse his relationship, and the cleansing of relationship is the beginning of his own transformation.Just thinking .
I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, and I doubt you do either. Relationship to what? God? Family? Friends? Reality? What does it mean to cleanse a relationship? Do we need to bring about a complete change in the social structure? What *are* you going on about?
…Relationship is the only thing that we have, and without understanding that relationship we can never find out what reality is or God is. So, to bring about a complete change in the social structure, in society, the individual must cleanse his relationship, and the cleansing of relationship is the beginning of his own transformation.Just thinking .
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April 8th, 2008, 05:06 AM
Quoting Dexter Sinister
i think ya gotta read between the lines
I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, and I doubt you do either. Relationship to what? God? Family? Friends? Reality? What does it mean to cleanse a relationship? Do we need to bring about a complete change in the social structure? What *are* you going on about?
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April 8th, 2008, 07:10 AM
Dexter Sinister ,
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Thanks for your post Dexter .I'll explain it the way it is : Life is relationship, and without relationship there is no possibility of life. There is no living in isolation, because living is a process of relationship, and relationship is not with abstractions; it is your relationship to property, to people, to your3 year old neice and to ideas. In relationship you see your self as you are, whatever you are, ugly or beautiful, subtle or gross; in the mirror of relationship you see precisely every new problem, the whole structure of yourself as you are. Because you think that you cannot alter your relationship fundamentally, you try to escape intellectually or mystically, and this escape only creates more problems, more confusion, and more disaster. But if, instead of escaping, you look at your life in relationship and under stand the whole structure of that relationship, then there is a possibility of going beyond that which is very close. Surely, to go very far, you must begin very near, but to begin near is very difficult for most of us because we want to escape from what is, from the fact of what we are.Without understanding ourselves, we cannot go far, and we are in constant relationship, there is no existence at all without relationship .
I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, and I doubt you do either. Relationship to what? God? Family? Friends? Reality? What does it mean to cleanse a relationship? Do we need to bring about a complete change in the social structure? What *are* you going on about?
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April 8th, 2008, 07:12 AM
faithlessforeve
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Thanks for a beautiful post ,faithlessforever .
Relationships are what keeps me alive
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April 8th, 2008, 07:29 AM
Dexter
From what I gather, China's inferring that everything is relative. Our individual existence is the product of "relationship". Because "I" exist and "you" exist (or a tree rock or solar radiation) the essence of our understanding of both the "I" the "you" and everything else is co-dependent....
Once one becomes like a Shea Stadium hotdog..."One with everything" this "relationship", this relativistic reality disappears.
Dexter
From what I gather, China's inferring that everything is relative. Our individual existence is the product of "relationship". Because "I" exist and "you" exist (or a tree rock or solar radiation) the essence of our understanding of both the "I" the "you" and everything else is co-dependent....
Once one becomes like a Shea Stadium hotdog..."One with everything" this "relationship", this relativistic reality disappears.
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April 8th, 2008, 08:47 AM
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What I have stated Mikey is that that the unloved (the ones that no one loves) ,can develop an emotion of hatred.Love is an entity and an entity don't have an opposites for the simple reason that the opposites contain them selves That which is an entity doesn't contain anything not of itself .
Hate isn't the opposite of love China, the opposite of love is indifference.
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April 8th, 2008, 09:16 AM
China
So indifference is subsumed within love?
I don't think so!
What you really don't like...translate into something to do with me....is someone who questions your thinking. You're response is very little different than.."You don't embrace my way of thinking and my ideology because.....___________!
You offer these opinions not as opinions, but as some fundamental truth! If anyone is struggling with self-hate it's probably that person least prepared and unable to accomodate the idea that dynamics both ideological and psychological as well as spiritual aren't black and white. There is no absolute condition of hate or love or any other circumstance since as you've said, and I'd challenge the assumption "Opposites contain..."
One of the great obstacles to human beings is identifying and acknowledging that "love" exists in the hearts and minds of those whom other ideas and perspectives paint as unworthy of respect and inclusion as a member in the community of mankind. One can "hate" as a white hates a black for his/her racial differences...one can "hate" Christians if you're a Moslem...but the "love" that a black man or woman or a Christian person feels for their children, their father their mother...it's the same "love"! If we embrace the idea that "hate" is a viable absolute condition of human psychology and/or human "spirit" we can't accept that the loss of a child or a parent is just as devastating to the people we "hate".
You need to work on your understanding of what it is to be a human being China.
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So indifference is subsumed within love?
I don't think so!
What you really don't like...translate into something to do with me....is someone who questions your thinking. You're response is very little different than.."You don't embrace my way of thinking and my ideology because.....___________!
You offer these opinions not as opinions, but as some fundamental truth! If anyone is struggling with self-hate it's probably that person least prepared and unable to accomodate the idea that dynamics both ideological and psychological as well as spiritual aren't black and white. There is no absolute condition of hate or love or any other circumstance since as you've said, and I'd challenge the assumption "Opposites contain..."
One of the great obstacles to human beings is identifying and acknowledging that "love" exists in the hearts and minds of those whom other ideas and perspectives paint as unworthy of respect and inclusion as a member in the community of mankind. One can "hate" as a white hates a black for his/her racial differences...one can "hate" Christians if you're a Moslem...but the "love" that a black man or woman or a Christian person feels for their children, their father their mother...it's the same "love"! If we embrace the idea that "hate" is a viable absolute condition of human psychology and/or human "spirit" we can't accept that the loss of a child or a parent is just as devastating to the people we "hate".
You need to work on your understanding of what it is to be a human being China.
