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February 7th, 2008, 10:52 PM
When opportunity knocks, be ready to answer. There is all the luck you need.
When opportunity knocks, be ready to answer. There is all the luck you need.
Mighty Intellect
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February 7th, 2008, 11:30 PM
Replace luck with chance and you might have something to go on. Preparedness for opportunities is often confused with luck.
Luck assumes some sort of organizing agent, methinks.
I would rather be persistent and ready than just plain lucky.
It still is a handy, if misleading, term.
Pangloss
Replace luck with chance and you might have something to go on. Preparedness for opportunities is often confused with luck.
Luck assumes some sort of organizing agent, methinks.
I would rather be persistent and ready than just plain lucky.
It still is a handy, if misleading, term.
Pangloss
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February 7th, 2008, 11:43 PM
luck [luk]
n
1. good fortune: success that seems to happen by chance
a stroke of luck
2. chance: the arbitrary distribution of events or outcomes
a game of luck
3. event determined by chance: something that seems to happen by chance rather than as a logical consequence
bad luck
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Quoting Pangloss
Luck and chance are the same
Replace luck with chance and you might have something to go on. Preparedness for opportunities is often confused with luck.
Luck assumes some sort of organizing agent, methinks.
I would rather be persistent and ready than just plain lucky.
It still is a handy, if misleading, term.
Pangloss
Luck assumes some sort of organizing agent, methinks.
I would rather be persistent and ready than just plain lucky.
It still is a handy, if misleading, term.
Pangloss
luck [luk]
n
1. good fortune: success that seems to happen by chance
a stroke of luck
2. chance: the arbitrary distribution of events or outcomes
a game of luck
3. event determined by chance: something that seems to happen by chance rather than as a logical consequence
bad luck
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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February 8th, 2008, 01:08 AM
Quoting hariharan
There are always some external factors, that you can't influence, or even forsee. Sometimes they can undo any amount of proper planning and hard work. So, if by luck you mean a fortunate concurrence of external circumstances, then yes, we still need good luck.
If we properly plan everything work hard towards our goal, to succeed in what we do, still we need good luck?
Electoral Member
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Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
February 8th, 2008, 05:55 AM
Quoting hariharan
Good luck I found it, bad luck for he who lost it Ok, when we walk on the road assume we get some 100$, what will you call that.
Without our effort if we get anything that is luck. Can we conclude in this way?
Without our effort if we get anything that is luck. Can we conclude in this way?
February 8th, 2008, 08:25 AM
Quoting MikeyDB
If someone doesn't put themself in a position to capitalize they will never be "lucky". I know a guy who seems like the luckiest guy in the world (even won a lottery but that's only the start of it) but when when you peel away the onion and look at his life he easily puts himself in better chances to succeed than others. Mostly work and perseverance.
"Good fortune"..."Luck" ..."Happenstance (favorable and otherwise) is all relative in nature. Hard work, discipline perseverance and a facility to capitalize on advantages and opportunities is the key to "success".
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February 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Quoting Kreskin
I agree, but when it comes to the lottery it's all luck/fate/chance
If someone doesn't put themself in a position to capitalize they will never be "lucky". I know a guy who seems like the luckiest guy in the world (even won a lottery but that's only the start of it) but when when you peel away the onion and look at his life he easily puts himself in better chances to succeed than others. Mostly work and perseverance.
Mighty Intellect
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February 8th, 2008, 05:56 PM
Lester:
There is, of course, the definition supplied by your dictionary (but the Encarta? Please get a better one, for your own sake), and then there is the sense of the word as I was using it, and indeed as is suggested by the title of this thread, and the OP:
"If we properly plan everything work hard towards our goal, to succeed in what we do, still we need good luck?"
The question, to my reading, asks if there is any need for that strange attractor of good fortune, "luck." Luck, in this sense, is that thing that appears to be more than random chance when someone has 3 winning lottery tickets in a row, or gets a great job, or the last parking space.
My point is that appearances deceive - chance is chance is chance, and our colloquial idea of luck is an illusion.
My reading could be completely wrong, of course.
Pangloss
Lester:
There is, of course, the definition supplied by your dictionary (but the Encarta? Please get a better one, for your own sake), and then there is the sense of the word as I was using it, and indeed as is suggested by the title of this thread, and the OP:
"If we properly plan everything work hard towards our goal, to succeed in what we do, still we need good luck?"
The question, to my reading, asks if there is any need for that strange attractor of good fortune, "luck." Luck, in this sense, is that thing that appears to be more than random chance when someone has 3 winning lottery tickets in a row, or gets a great job, or the last parking space.
My point is that appearances deceive - chance is chance is chance, and our colloquial idea of luck is an illusion.
My reading could be completely wrong, of course.
Pangloss
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February 9th, 2008, 01:33 AM
Not if your goal is realistically acheivable- to win three lottey tickets in a row is luck since there is no way to predict the way the numbers will be drawn. You could of course buy all available tickets and you would win because you have eliminated chance from the equation. luck is a name that we give to unpredictable phenoms that affect our life, throughout our life- luck of the draw, lucky he wasn't killed when he fell and so on. when you embark on an enterprise do you not count on a little luck to get you through a sticky spot- such as the weather cooperating, have you ever happened upon an accident that only occurred minutes before?lucky you stopped for that coffee or whatever or it would be you being pryed from the wreckage. I don't think luck is needed or not needed, it just is.
Quoting Pangloss
To me if it's not luck then it's fate
Lester:
There is, of course, the definition supplied by your dictionary (but the Encarta? Please get a better one, for your own sake), and then there is the sense of the word as I was using it, and indeed as is suggested by the title of this thread, and the OP:
"If we properly plan everything work hard towards our goal, to succeed in what we do, still we need good luck?"
The question, to my reading, asks if there is any need for that strange attractor of good fortune, "luck." Luck, in this sense, is that thing that appears to be more than random chance when someone has 3 winning lottery tickets in a row, or gets a great job, or the last parking space.
My point is that appearances deceive - chance is chance is chance, and our colloquial idea of luck is an illusion.
My reading could be completely wrong, of course.
Pangloss
There is, of course, the definition supplied by your dictionary (but the Encarta? Please get a better one, for your own sake), and then there is the sense of the word as I was using it, and indeed as is suggested by the title of this thread, and the OP:
"If we properly plan everything work hard towards our goal, to succeed in what we do, still we need good luck?"
The question, to my reading, asks if there is any need for that strange attractor of good fortune, "luck." Luck, in this sense, is that thing that appears to be more than random chance when someone has 3 winning lottery tickets in a row, or gets a great job, or the last parking space.
My point is that appearances deceive - chance is chance is chance, and our colloquial idea of luck is an illusion.
My reading could be completely wrong, of course.
Pangloss
Not if your goal is realistically acheivable- to win three lottey tickets in a row is luck since there is no way to predict the way the numbers will be drawn. You could of course buy all available tickets and you would win because you have eliminated chance from the equation. luck is a name that we give to unpredictable phenoms that affect our life, throughout our life- luck of the draw, lucky he wasn't killed when he fell and so on. when you embark on an enterprise do you not count on a little luck to get you through a sticky spot- such as the weather cooperating, have you ever happened upon an accident that only occurred minutes before?lucky you stopped for that coffee or whatever or it would be you being pryed from the wreckage. I don't think luck is needed or not needed, it just is.
