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January 12th, 2008, 07:51 PM
I doubt very much that you do.
Quoting darkbeaver
Oh god the "generic", diety then, I see.
I doubt very much that you do.
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January 12th, 2008, 08:05 PM
I doubt very much that you do either. But what the hell it's your blue lizard and you are free to worship it any way you like, this is a secular nation after all and the bizzare minority religions are protected.
I doubt very much that you do either. But what the hell it's your blue lizard and you are free to worship it any way you like, this is a secular nation after all and the bizzare minority religions are protected.
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January 13th, 2008, 12:36 AM
You are asking if I will still be thankful to God on the day I have nothing. I don't know. I doubt I could reach a point where I'd have nothing to be thankful for but if I did reach that point, I don't know how I'd react.
But you didn't answer my question. You responded by asking another question, which is fine, but I still want you to answer my original question. I will present it differently.
When a family gathered around a table for a meal give thanks to 'the Lord', who are they giving thanks to? A real entity? Or a projection of their imagination?
Quoting china
God is the greater consciousness that is outside of myself, but which I can be part of, as a conscious being.
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And if / when that beauty and the abundance has bin taken away from you and you will end up sleeping under a bridge with no cover ,nothing , no hope when you wake up in he morrning.....
will you be thank full to God or to the projection of your imagination?.
Just wondering.Who Is God?
And if / when that beauty and the abundance has bin taken away from you and you will end up sleeping under a bridge with no cover ,nothing , no hope when you wake up in he morrning.....
will you be thank full to God or to the projection of your imagination?.
Just wondering.Who Is God?
You are asking if I will still be thankful to God on the day I have nothing. I don't know. I doubt I could reach a point where I'd have nothing to be thankful for but if I did reach that point, I don't know how I'd react.
But you didn't answer my question. You responded by asking another question, which is fine, but I still want you to answer my original question. I will present it differently.
When a family gathered around a table for a meal give thanks to 'the Lord', who are they giving thanks to? A real entity? Or a projection of their imagination?
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January 13th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Quoting china
Well... I don't say that. I'm pretty sure god, God, gawd, gods, whatever anyone wants to call him/her/it/them, in whatever form anyone conceives or perceives him/her/etc., is entirely an invention of human imagination, a fiction.
When you say you love God what does it mean?
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Yes, that sums it up nicely in my view.
It means that you love a projection of your own imagination, a projection of yourself clothed in certain forms of respectability according to what you think is noble and holy; so to say, ‘I love God’, is absolute nonsense.
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Yes I have, and there's not a day goes by that I'm not grateful for it. I've been married to the same woman for 27 years, and as far as I can tell we love and respect and trust each other. I've never had a moment's anxiety about her loyalty or fidelity, neither has she about me, or so she tells me, and I have no reason to doubt her. I think that has mostly to do with the kind of people we are. We're both pretty strong-minded, self-assured individuals, we've stayed together because we genuinely like and respect each other and believe that's worth preserving. We're together because we want to be, not because we need to be. We both know we could function perfectly well without the other, because we did so for years before we met, but we choose not to be without each other.
Have you ever found security in any of your relationships?
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January 13th, 2008, 04:52 AM
this would be an interesting debate, except of course for the fact we're all wrong, since china is right.
China is the sole source of facts in this forum and any attempt at debating his frankly stated facts is pure stupidity
this would be an interesting debate, except of course for the fact we're all wrong, since china is right.
China is the sole source of facts in this forum and any attempt at debating his frankly stated facts is pure stupidity
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January 13th, 2008, 07:16 AM
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Beautiful ,Dexter .
Yes I have, and there's not a day goes by that I'm not grateful for it. I've been married to the same woman for 27 years, and as far as I can tell we love and respect and trust each other. I've never had a moment's anxiety about her loyalty or fidelity, neither has she about me, or so she tells me, and I have no reason to doubt her. I think that has mostly to do with the kind of people we are. We're both pretty strong-minded, self-assured individuals, we've stayed together because we genuinely like and respect each other and believe that's worth preserving. We're together because we want to be, not because we need to be. We both know we could function perfectly well without the other, because we did so for years before we met, but we choose not to be without each other.
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January 13th, 2008, 07:29 AM
darkbeaver ,
darkbeaver ,
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How come you are not with her darkbeaver ?
China, I love God, and when she comes up in the morning I talk to her, she's warm and nurturing and infinetly patient, I obey god without reservation or doubt, when she sinks below the horizon I sleep in the comfort of her memory and wait for her return, she alone has made and kept the rules
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January 13th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Quoting hermanntrude
Really? I don't think that's at all correct, I find everyone of Chinas post stimulating , interesting questions, subjects that should and have been the mainstay of philosophy for all of recorded time.That pertain to the basis of civilization, reason and life itself. You are an intelligent person, share your reasoning please.
this would be an interesting debate, except of course for the fact we're all wrong, since china is right.
China is the sole source of facts in this forum and any attempt at debating his frankly stated facts is pure stupidity
China is the sole source of facts in this forum and any attempt at debating his frankly stated facts is pure stupidity
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January 13th, 2008, 07:33 AM
Quoting china
Iccarus tried that China, you know the story. Think heat shield. In reality I can never be separated from her, she is the well of life. darkbeaver ,
How come you are not with her darkbeaver ?
How come you are not with her darkbeaver ?
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January 13th, 2008, 07:41 AM
Truth, the real God—the real God, not the God that man has made— does not want a mind that has been destroyed, petty, shallow, narrow, limited. It needs a healthy mind to appreciate it; it needs a rich mind—rich, not with knowledge but with innocence—a mind upon which there has never been a scratch of experience, a mind that is free from time. The gods that you have invented for your own comforts accept torture; they accept a mind that is being made dull. But the real thing does not want it; it wants a total, complete human being whose heart is full, rich, clear, capable of intense feeling, capable of seeing the beauty of a tree, the smile of a child, and the agony of a woman who has never had a full meal .
Truth, the real God—the real God, not the God that man has made— does not want a mind that has been destroyed, petty, shallow, narrow, limited. It needs a healthy mind to appreciate it; it needs a rich mind—rich, not with knowledge but with innocence—a mind upon which there has never been a scratch of experience, a mind that is free from time. The gods that you have invented for your own comforts accept torture; they accept a mind that is being made dull. But the real thing does not want it; it wants a total, complete human being whose heart is full, rich, clear, capable of intense feeling, capable of seeing the beauty of a tree, the smile of a child, and the agony of a woman who has never had a full meal .
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January 13th, 2008, 08:42 AM
My name is Jim, and I'm in love. Not in a hormone induced delusion but just the same old loves that are confessed here on this thread, gerryh, dexter and others confess it too. So much for the we cannot love theory.
And I love God, and I love the law, and I love people. Love demands expression. The 'love' of the law is respect. The love of most people that I meet is good manners. The love of my wife is many things.
If China thinks that my God is a projection, it is for good reason. China's god is a projection, and not a very convincing one. China is right - his god is not credible. Tin god. But my god is credible to me.
My name is Jim, and I'm in love. Not in a hormone induced delusion but just the same old loves that are confessed here on this thread, gerryh, dexter and others confess it too. So much for the we cannot love theory.
And I love God, and I love the law, and I love people. Love demands expression. The 'love' of the law is respect. The love of most people that I meet is good manners. The love of my wife is many things.
If China thinks that my God is a projection, it is for good reason. China's god is a projection, and not a very convincing one. China is right - his god is not credible. Tin god. But my god is credible to me.
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January 13th, 2008, 09:14 AM
It says " we have been built in the image of god" what that means is what it says. It is that image that we all seek to emulate, to be the masters of our own destinys, to mold our lives according to that felt but undefineable power that we have called god. God can be called that which we consciously understand to be the binding ordered force of our universe and consequently our existance. A definition of god that comes with a manuel is frankly not within the realm of reality. We can only chase god, to become god means to unbecome being human. To think that "the god" exists for mankind is in the face of the enormity of the universe frankly a true measure of human conciet and poverty of imagination. The god of all will by definition remain forever beyond the mind of mankind. Something to be forever felt and obeyed but never fully understood or defined, such is the power of god. To understand, one must become god and have intimate knowledge with every particle in this universe and the next, there simply is no other way.
It says " we have been built in the image of god" what that means is what it says. It is that image that we all seek to emulate, to be the masters of our own destinys, to mold our lives according to that felt but undefineable power that we have called god. God can be called that which we consciously understand to be the binding ordered force of our universe and consequently our existance. A definition of god that comes with a manuel is frankly not within the realm of reality. We can only chase god, to become god means to unbecome being human. To think that "the god" exists for mankind is in the face of the enormity of the universe frankly a true measure of human conciet and poverty of imagination. The god of all will by definition remain forever beyond the mind of mankind. Something to be forever felt and obeyed but never fully understood or defined, such is the power of god. To understand, one must become god and have intimate knowledge with every particle in this universe and the next, there simply is no other way.
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January 13th, 2008, 10:23 AM
Dark Beaver... "We can only chase god, to become god means to unbecome being human."
I don't know this unbecoming, or death, yet I think that I've never seen you more lucid.
The acknowledgement of something greater than ourselves that we are a part of is the acknowledgement of meaning. When meaning speaks to me, she is always doing so through someone else. People get to us, and we derive meaning from our actions in relation to them. We really aught to find a good meaning rather than a bad. We have a choice. Some people prefer the bad. Others prefer the good.
I demand the good in a god, and my god is very good indeed. I did not have adequate righteous imagination to characterize my god, so I adopted someone else's. My god makes me see myself as a hypocrite every day. This is one problem with a great god. All people of such a god are automatically the worst hypocrites upon the earth.
Dark Beaver... "We can only chase god, to become god means to unbecome being human."
I don't know this unbecoming, or death, yet I think that I've never seen you more lucid.
The acknowledgement of something greater than ourselves that we are a part of is the acknowledgement of meaning. When meaning speaks to me, she is always doing so through someone else. People get to us, and we derive meaning from our actions in relation to them. We really aught to find a good meaning rather than a bad. We have a choice. Some people prefer the bad. Others prefer the good.
I demand the good in a god, and my god is very good indeed. I did not have adequate righteous imagination to characterize my god, so I adopted someone else's. My god makes me see myself as a hypocrite every day. This is one problem with a great god. All people of such a god are automatically the worst hypocrites upon the earth.
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January 13th, 2008, 11:12 AM
Well put Mr Short, the good and the bad are oposite ends of the stick we beat each other with, what. The trick is to hold the stick in the middle and beat ignorance with both ends.
Well put Mr Short, the good and the bad are oposite ends of the stick we beat each other with, what. The trick is to hold the stick in the middle and beat ignorance with both ends.
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January 14th, 2008, 08:14 AM
One of the fundamental questions consists in man’s relationship to reality. That reality has been expressed in different ways: in the East in one way and in the West in another. If we do not discover for ourselves what that relationship is, independently of the theoreticians and the theologians and the priests, we are incapable of discovering what relationship with reality is. That reality may be named as God—and the name is really of very little importance—because the name, the word, the symbol, is never the actual, and to be caught in symbols and words seems utterly foolish—and yet we are so caught, Christians in one way, Hindus, Muslims and others in other ways—and words and symbols have become extraordinarily significant. But the symbol, the word, is never the actual, the real thing. So in asking the question, as to what is the true relationship of man to reality, one must be free of the word with all its associations, with all its prejudices and conditions. If we do not find that relationship, then life has really very little meaning; then our confusion, our misery is bound to grow, and life will become more and more intolerable, superficial, meaningless. One must be extraordinarily serious to find out if there is such a reality, or if there is not, and what is man’s relationship to it.
One of the fundamental questions consists in man’s relationship to reality. That reality has been expressed in different ways: in the East in one way and in the West in another. If we do not discover for ourselves what that relationship is, independently of the theoreticians and the theologians and the priests, we are incapable of discovering what relationship with reality is. That reality may be named as God—and the name is really of very little importance—because the name, the word, the symbol, is never the actual, and to be caught in symbols and words seems utterly foolish—and yet we are so caught, Christians in one way, Hindus, Muslims and others in other ways—and words and symbols have become extraordinarily significant. But the symbol, the word, is never the actual, the real thing. So in asking the question, as to what is the true relationship of man to reality, one must be free of the word with all its associations, with all its prejudices and conditions. If we do not find that relationship, then life has really very little meaning; then our confusion, our misery is bound to grow, and life will become more and more intolerable, superficial, meaningless. One must be extraordinarily serious to find out if there is such a reality, or if there is not, and what is man’s relationship to it.
