Education/Learning

There is no need to education. It is not that you read a book, pass an examination, and finish with education. The whole of life, from the moment you are born to the moment you die, is a process of learning.

You comments Dexter.

You must understand the whole of life, not just one little part of it. That is why you must read, that is why you must look at the skies, that is why you must sing and dance, and write poems, and suffer, and understand, for all that is life.

In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself.

Suggest a book China, I can't dance it's dark and cloudy my throat hurts I have no rythme and my suffering is constant.

China, "You must understand the whole of life, not just one little part of it."

This imperative, who has willed it and by what authority?

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China, "You must understand the whole of life, not just one little part of it."

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This imperative, who has willed it and by what authority?

I have willed it , I,m the authority of my will.Whose your authority jimshort19
.....the liberals?

darkbeaver

Suggest a book ?, ok , it's called 'a brain'.In it you will find all the answers to your questions

Without meditation, there is no self-knowledge; without self-knowledge, there is no meditation. So you must begin to know what you are. You cannot go far without beginning near, without understanding your daily process of thought, feeling, and action. In other words, thought must understand its own working, and when you see yourself in operation, you will observe that thought moves from the known to the known. You cannot think about the unknown. That which you know is not real because what you know is only in time. To be free from the net of time is the important concern, not to think about the unknown, because you cannot think about the unknown. The answers to your prayers are of the known. To receive the unknown, the mind itself must become the unknown. The mind is the result of the thought process, the result of time, and this thought process must come to an end. The mind cannot think of that which is eternal, timeless; therefore, the mind must be free of time, the time process of the mind must be dissolved. Only when the mind is completely free from yesterday, and is therefore not using the present as a means to the future, is it capable of receiving the eternal. …Therefore, our concern in meditation is to know oneself, not only superficially, but the whole content of the inner, hidden consciousness. Without knowing all that and being free of its conditioning, you cannot possibly go beyond the mind's limits. That is why the thought process must cease, and for this cessation there must be knowledge of oneself. Therefore meditation is the beginning of wisdom, which is the understanding of one's own mind and heart.

Perhaps you mean to say there's no need of 'school' versus 'education? Because, when you describe a 'process of learning' you are describing education, just not in its formal sense.

education.... "the act or process of imparting or acquiring general knowledge, developing the powers of reasoning and judgment, and generally of preparing oneself or others intellectually for mature life."

I fail to see how you would think this isn't necessary in life, yet spend almost every chance you get on this forum trying to impart your own brand of wisdom to others.

China, "I have willed it , I,m the authority of my will.Whose your author_ity jimshort19
.....th_e liberals?"

Yes, you have willed it. I will it also. We did not will it first. First a star, in time the sea, and then what we call life. The mind will end for all of us, not by our effort, but by our nature. To think to desire the end of thought and desire is a waste of time and mind, and whatever we have in these. Vote Liberal.

They can't give you the key or door, but they can show you keys and doors you didn't know of. Has your life of learning not been enhanced by a mentor of any sort? Has it been an entirely solitary venture? The keys you choose to use, and the resulting doors you choose to open, are indeed your own prerogative, but do you not agree that being shown alternatives by those who have seen them is a valuable asset to have?

Moderation in all things, counsels Solomon. Immoderate introspection is a life of drinking one's own urine, and I prefer beer. While one may bury one's talents in thought, it is of no good use in this phase of things without coming up for air or going down to drink, with others.

The peace of death or the joy of Heaven is for the dead and the resurrected, and we are neither one. Here we are and there we go, but on the way the journey is everything. A wise chief said, lamenting the troubles of his people, "... nor can we just sit beside the trail." His fear came true, and his people are miserable. You do not fight the good fight. You do not run the race. You pronounce yourself finished. This is vanity.

The endless juxtaposition of symbols is all the mind does in endless rumination. This is meaningful to the universe only when the devotee stands up and acts out of it. And meaning to oneself alone is nothing, and makes oneself nothing, before the nothing time, and ever after. Self flagellation is worth nothing, but to carry water is creditable.

Sit forever in your enclave, broadcast your resignation. Neither work nor vote nor care. Teach the benefits of nothing and the vanity of breathing. Bring as many down with you as possible, so that you do not waste alone. As for me, I'd rather vote Liberal.

Can I get that at Coles China? I don't think it's still in-print. Didn't that woman Eve O Lution write it?

Hey Dark Beaver, I'm ready to hit my macro and toast this blowhard - but I spilled beer on my control console. She says I'm a Liberal. I say she's a capitalist. Go for it.

you couldn't put that more clearly. There's obviously a need for someone to education you.

Well Jim as much as I understand your sentiment I do not subscribe to it, both of you are guiding lights for the saner many, as you burn we see the path all the more clearly. Your service will be memorialized, perhaps a small brass plaque in some museum, memorialized but never exercised again. vote socialist

You jump to such funny gender conclusions! China's a man. Stop fantasizing about spanking him.

Kirk, "Well Spock, what do you make of it?"
Spock tears streaming down Vulcan cheeks, smiling, "It's too pure! So very very pure!"
Kirk, "Checkove, Spock has gone to pieces! Where to Hell are we?"
Chzezkov, "Nonetheless Sir, it would appear that Spock is correct. And we are out of photon torpedoes. They just seem to disappear into some kind of juice!"
Kirk, "O'hoora! Hail again!"
Ohoora, "We have received a theoretical transmission Sir!"
Kirk, "Dammit O'hoora!"
Ohoora, "It's a brown wave transmission sir, detected only by an utterly useless feature installed in the 21st century in case of the return of the NDP. It's from the planet surface Sir... coming on now."
Speaker, "This is planet Bullschitt!"
Scotty bursting onto bridge, "Weve channelled the latrines to the photon torpedo tubes Sir!"
Kirk, pressing general alarm and speaking on the P.A. "All hands to the latrines!"
Kirk, stripping off his pants, "Checkov, set macros on BULLSCHIT. When I fart, hit all macros!

It took a long time for me to get Scar Trek out of my mind Jim but it can be done, you just have to try harder. It's passing strange to me that we communicate through the medium of so much long dead fiction, but since we insist on the comfort of those fictions in a vain stupid attempt to realize them we are compelled to ignore reality, and miss the meat of life. oh yah where was I going with this, coughcoughcoughcoughhack, pardon didn't get any on your shirt did I, I did not mention the NDP Jim I mentioned socialism not some completely sold out bunch of silly slaves to the economy. coughhackhackhack
Anyway this is Chinas thread and he wants something from us. His threads always demand what we cannot deliver, he is never satisfied to accept less than certified work of genius, sadly I can never help him but Dexter Sinister can spin him a bedtime story that puts him back to sleep everytime. It's a good nights sleep that China wants, Dexter seems able to deliver the milk and cookies and a thousand word lullabye that sooths and completes the little tuck-in for the night that China craves. At least that's my take on it anyway, I could be mistaken, but what am I to do invent some lie for you. What would be the point?
There is no need to education. A simple enough statement in at least two ways what, on the surface we would think, no sweat, he's full of ****, right, no way, he always ends up making the crew upchuck everything including the kitchen sink in an attempt to provide a winning reply.

So here goes, certainly there is no need to education, education cannot of itself need anything, except perhaps completion or continuation. If he had said there is no need to learning, we would have an entirely different thing, right. Who knows? Only the China knows.

Dark Beaver, semantics. What a cop out. You start out with a brilliant wind up and end up with a cheap duck. Where is Dexter anyway?

Scotty, "The dilithuium clystles are covered in schitt Captain! She canna take any more! Somethin' has ta give!"
Kirk, "How much Exlax have we got Chechov?"

karrie

I don't think it ,I live it karrie.

Isn't it what the forum is for karrie? g'me a break karrie .Pretty soon you'll be saying I force everyone to read my posts .

Tonington brothers and sisters are my mentors
Yes Tonington ,Alternatives to what Tonington ?Truth is choice less , Truth Is.

It's OK China in my case it's still very much applicable, I could use more of both, more often eh.

Dexter's very busy deconstructing the universe into it's tiniest constituant parts and catoloqing them while they change states, he's very busy somewhere near the rings of Saturn, I don't know I'm not his mum.

China - how can one live without learning? I'm not being facetious here - I'd like to know if you really think that's possible.

Unless there is substantial developmental damage or one is living in a vacuum, I don't see how it's possible to live without learning something. How we learn what we know is just a matter of semantics. A formalized education process, or thrown to the wolves to fend for ourselves - we're gonna learn.

Long before a formalized education process took front and centre as our primary means of 'educating' our young, we were still teaching them, and life was still teaching them - through experiential learning, through vicarious learning, through trial and error. Through each evolutionary phase of man's development, we've been learning and passing what we 'know' onto our future generations, sometimes even tossing what we learned eons ago out the window upon learning something new.

I had a teacher once who said the day we stop learning is the day we start dying. Ironic that I'd think of his words in a conversation about the irrelevance of learning... maybe I learned something from him.

China, "There is no need (for formal) education."

Towards what end? To be an idiot, no. To be a doctor, yes. To be a criminal, no. To be a teacher, yes. To be human there is no need for food. But if one aspires to live, food is an excellent idea.

It is obvious to the point of inanity that if one simply lowers one's standards enough, there is no need for anything at all. It is equally obvious that this is not wisdom but empty foolish talk. Nothing good can be aided or constructed of this blather. But perhaps it has a purpose.

What is that purpose?

Why me in particular I wonder? The first sentence I'd say is false, assuming I've understood it correctly. I presume it means either that "There is no need to educate," or that "There is no need for education," both of which I'd argue are false. The other two are true.

It might depend a little on what you mean by education though. The process of formal education the law requires us all to undergo up to a certain age, which seems to be what the second sentence is about, doesn't necessarily actually result in anything we might call an education. All it means is that you've learned enough to pass the examinations, doesn't mean you really understood anything or will retain any of it. Passing examinations is not the primary goal of formal education, it's merely the method used to measure success. It's often not a very good one, but that's another issue.

Formal, legally mandated minimal education is necessary for most people if they're ever going to have any hope of understanding the world around them, and as children they're not in a position to know what they need to know, so it's prescribed for them by adults. The purpose of education, at least at that level, is to give everybody the same foundation, and a basis for going on with whatever interests them if they choose to. And there's more. Who among us does not have at least one beloved teacher, a person who really made a difference? I've done enough teaching to know that I wasn't just teaching the subject, I was also teaching about me, and the handful of really inspired and inspiring teachers I've had in my life were obviously doing that too. Teaching about themselves, I mean, not me.

I'm sure most of us have sat in a boring class and wondered, "Why do I need to know this stuff?" and sometimes some smartass will actually ask that question. Both my children came home from high school math classes in which somebody'd asked it, and the answer from the teacher was, "Because you can't graduate from high school without it." That's about the worst possible answer, even though it's true. The real answer, in that particular case, is that most people don't need to know that stuff, except for the few who will go on in math and science, but more generally, it's part of the common intellectual history of humanity and if you want to call yourself educated you should know something about it, even if it's only a vague awareness that the subject exists and can provide solutions to certain problems. Moreover, if you know nothing of math and science, there are certain important public issues you'll never be able to get a handle on. Much of the debate about global warming, for instance, in these pages and elsewhere, is driven by people who have no idea what they're talking about and don't understand how science works. The information was there in their high school curriculum, or should have been--it certainly was in mine a hundred years or so ago it seems now--but they didn't get it. Whose fault is that? Probably everybody's.

Well, that got a little more long-winded than I expected when I first sat down to compose an answer. There's a lot more to be said about this, but I have things to do this morning, so I'll stop now.

Haha, Dexter. You must be some sort of tree to be 100 years old and still have that much life in you.

I already told you what the purpose is Jim but being thicker than the average brick you missed it. The purpose is to incite blather commonly called discussion, you have served Von China well. See dexters lullabye Jim, China will sleep on it for a week and then come back with another puzzling but information rich question or statement.