The Padre
Posts: 4,558 
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
April 25th, 2007, 05:39 PM
Yet, I know many people that are as you describe yourself. I wonder if it is self conditioned or part of the process the individual goes through in maturation?
I find that you display a wonderful and intelligent discourse as a member here. Realizing that it might not be as easy for you to engage in conversations, as you suggest, actually inclines me to think you are perhaps of a more interesting and serious nature than you give yourself credit for.
Despite what you may believe, I think your warmth and sincerity flows from your written words.
Quoting Libra Girl
We all experience other people differently. For example, I am not what anyone would term a "shy"person. I easily begin conversations with people and continue to engage them in a conversation until they start to respond. I have never really been bothered about getting up in front of crowds and "yacking".
... it's just how I'm made. I have to travel a lot, and the thought of having to sit next to a stranger on a plane and make small talk is nigh on an impossible task. It takes an herculean effort just to post a thread here, without suffering from a kinda stagefright, lol.
Yet, I know many people that are as you describe yourself. I wonder if it is self conditioned or part of the process the individual goes through in maturation?
I find that you display a wonderful and intelligent discourse as a member here. Realizing that it might not be as easy for you to engage in conversations, as you suggest, actually inclines me to think you are perhaps of a more interesting and serious nature than you give yourself credit for.
Despite what you may believe, I think your warmth and sincerity flows from your written words.
Senate Member
Posts: 6,500
April 25th, 2007, 06:12 PM
Quoting Zan
Thanks Zan! When I read Libra Girl's post I felt sad for all the people she passes in her daily life who won't get to know what a warm and caring human she is.
Curiosity, that was just a really nice post.
Libra Girl, I think you've done amazingly well here for someone who is shy. I would never have known it if you hadn't said anything.
Libra Girl, I think you've done amazingly well here for someone who is shy. I would never have known it if you hadn't said anything.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
April 25th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Jacobs said nothing of the kind.
She pointed to good design, and why it is good, where it is, and how it happened.
She pointed to bad design, and why it is bad, where it is, and how it happened.
She took into account both large and small scale economies, transportation, zoning, class and race mixing, work and recreation, public spaces and the environment.
She proposed policies to preserve and encourage good planning, and suggested ways to fix bad planning.
All of this in 1961 - ten years before the pope suggested somebody might want to look at the problem.
Pangloss
Quoting darkbeaver
Darkbeaver:
Pangloss, I think, mentioned Jane Jacobs she maintained that citys are not designed for people they are designed mainly for commerce and vehicle traffic, and they are. Our large urban areas are dirty, fast, noisey and they don't get dark. They are very expensive in that everything consumed in them must be imported and they are power holes, they bleed energy. Big citys are probably soon to be things of the past. Water and fuel to maintain them simply won't be allocated to unproductive places like citys.
Jacobs said nothing of the kind.
She pointed to good design, and why it is good, where it is, and how it happened.
She pointed to bad design, and why it is bad, where it is, and how it happened.
She took into account both large and small scale economies, transportation, zoning, class and race mixing, work and recreation, public spaces and the environment.
She proposed policies to preserve and encourage good planning, and suggested ways to fix bad planning.
All of this in 1961 - ten years before the pope suggested somebody might want to look at the problem.
Pangloss
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
April 25th, 2007, 06:46 PM
Darkbeaver -
Cities are also the most efficient place to have a whole lot of people live. If all 7 or so billion of us chose to live an agrarian lifestyle, there would likely be nothing left for any other animals on the land.
Services are cheaper in cities, apartment towers use fewer resources per person housed to build, maintain, heat and water/sewer. They also use less land.
The disabled can be better cared for in cities. Try to wheelchair through the woods dude. Ridiculous, I know - but it makes a point.
Not everybody can, or should, have their 40 acres and a mule.
Pangloss
Darkbeaver -
Cities are also the most efficient place to have a whole lot of people live. If all 7 or so billion of us chose to live an agrarian lifestyle, there would likely be nothing left for any other animals on the land.
Services are cheaper in cities, apartment towers use fewer resources per person housed to build, maintain, heat and water/sewer. They also use less land.
The disabled can be better cared for in cities. Try to wheelchair through the woods dude. Ridiculous, I know - but it makes a point.
Not everybody can, or should, have their 40 acres and a mule.
Pangloss
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April 25th, 2007, 06:49 PM
Quoting Pangloss
Acctually I heard two lectures from Jacobs this summer and I could swear she said what I said she said.
Darkbeaver:
Jacobs said nothing of the kind.
She pointed to good design, and why it is good, where it is, and how it happened.
She pointed to bad design, and why it is bad, where it is, and how it happened.
She took into account both large and small scale economies, transportation, zoning, class and race mixing, work and recreation, public spaces and the environment.
She proposed policies to preserve and encourage good planning, and suggested ways to fix bad planning.
All of this in 1961 - ten years before the pope suggested somebody might want to look at the problem.
Pangloss
Jacobs said nothing of the kind.
She pointed to good design, and why it is good, where it is, and how it happened.
She pointed to bad design, and why it is bad, where it is, and how it happened.
She took into account both large and small scale economies, transportation, zoning, class and race mixing, work and recreation, public spaces and the environment.
She proposed policies to preserve and encourage good planning, and suggested ways to fix bad planning.
All of this in 1961 - ten years before the pope suggested somebody might want to look at the problem.
Pangloss
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,535
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
April 25th, 2007, 06:53 PM
Darkbeaver - then you are one of the truly lucky to have seen her just before she died. A great loss. Was it a talk about her last book, "Dark Age Ahead"?
My comments are based on her book - she might have changed what she was saying (she had, rather, earned the right to be a cranky old lady) in her last lectures.
Pangloss
Darkbeaver - then you are one of the truly lucky to have seen her just before she died. A great loss. Was it a talk about her last book, "Dark Age Ahead"?
My comments are based on her book - she might have changed what she was saying (she had, rather, earned the right to be a cranky old lady) in her last lectures.
Pangloss
Clever Clogs
Posts: 715
April 26th, 2007, 05:36 AM
Curiosity, Zan and sanctus.
Gosh, now I am agonising over what to say in reply… and that’s good, because I see it as another hurdle to a reserved and retiring nature, that I can, and will, overcome.
I won’t babble on embarrassingly, ( my apologies to you sanctus, for going off topic ) but would just like to say thank you to you all for the kind words of support and encouragement. I feel quite blessed. Thank you.
Curiosity, Zan and sanctus.
Gosh, now I am agonising over what to say in reply… and that’s good, because I see it as another hurdle to a reserved and retiring nature, that I can, and will, overcome.
I won’t babble on embarrassingly, ( my apologies to you sanctus, for going off topic ) but would just like to say thank you to you all for the kind words of support and encouragement. I feel quite blessed. Thank you.
The Padre
Posts: 4,558
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
April 26th, 2007, 05:58 AM
Quoting Libra Girl
no apologies necessary. And by the way, I do appreciate, as an artist myself, that as being part of your equation. Artists tend to be withdrawn in many ways because of that inner voice. Even me, I might talk a great deal, but I tend to rarely talk about anything private or about myself.
Curiosity, Zan and sanctus.
Gosh, now I am agonising over what to say in reply… and that’s good, because I see it as another hurdle to a reserved and retiring nature, that I can, and will, overcome.
I won’t babble on embarrassingly, ( my apologies to you sanctus, for going off topic ) but would just like to say thank you to you all for the kind words of support and encouragement. I feel quite blessed. Thank you.
Gosh, now I am agonising over what to say in reply… and that’s good, because I see it as another hurdle to a reserved and retiring nature, that I can, and will, overcome.
I won’t babble on embarrassingly, ( my apologies to you sanctus, for going off topic ) but would just like to say thank you to you all for the kind words of support and encouragement. I feel quite blessed. Thank you.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 715
April 26th, 2007, 06:31 AM
Quoting sanctus
Yes, you are very perceptive... privacy, to me, has always been something to look upon as sacred. Not necessarily as a defense mechanism, more, I believe, as a need to truly see, as an artist does, that which can only be achieved by isolation. I don't think I am making sense here, I am not as articulate as you, it's hard to explain. I was an only child, and I believe that that circumstance, combined with an artistic nature, inevitably led to the person that I have become today.
no apologies necessary. And by the way, I do appreciate, as an artist myself, that as being part of your equation. Artists tend to be withdrawn in many ways because of that inner voice. Even me, I might talk a great deal, but I tend to rarely talk about anything private or about myself.
