I want to experience reality .

[china]

When we demand an experience of reality —as we all do, don't we?— to experience it we must know it and the moment we recognise it we have already projected it and therefore it is not real because it is still within the field of thought and time. If thought can think about reality it cannot be reality. We cannot recognise a new experience. It is impossible. We recognise only something we have already known and therefore when we say we have had a new experience it is not new at all. To seek further experience through expansion of consciousness, as is being done through various psychedelic drugs, is still within the field of consciousness and therefore very limited.
So we have discovered a fundamental truth, which is that a mind that is seeking, craving, for wider and deeper experience is a very shallow and dull mind because it lives always with its memories.Your thought .

 

[hermanntrude]

This is almost another version of "if a tree falls in a forest and nothing is there to hear it, does it make a sound?"

If we didnt use our senses to experience reality, we wouldnt experience it. But our senses both change and distort the very things we examine with them, and cannot be entirely relied upon.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If a man says something and there's no woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?

If thought can think about reality it cannot be reality. We cannot recognise a new experience. It is impossible.

Thought can think? Isn't thought thinking? We can't think about reality? What do you think reality is? You appear to be defining it simply as something we can't think about and talking in circles.

I got married a long time ago. That was certainly a new experience. And I recognized it pretty quickly. In fact I think it was at the moment we were standing in front of the judge doing it (getting married I mean, not "doing it" in the common vernacular sense). It seemed reasonably real and new to me at the time. Or maybe I only thought I was thinking that and my thoughts were actually thinking of something else. Like the probability of "doing it" later. Turned out to be 100%. That seemed pretty real too. Or maybe I only thought it did and it wasn't actually real. I wonder where our two children came from...

 

[darkbeaver]

When we demand an experience of reality —as we all do, don't we?— to experience it we must know it and the moment we recognise it we have already projected it and therefore it is not real because it is still within the field of thought and time. If thought can think about reality it cannot be reality. We cannot recognise a new experience. It is impossible. We recognise only something we have already known and therefore when we say we have had a new experience it is not new at all. To seek further experience through expansion of consciousness, as is being done through various psychedelic drugs, is still within the field of consciousness and therefore very limited.
So we have discovered a fundamental truth, which is that a mind that is seeking, craving, for wider and deeper experience is a very shallow and dull mind because it lives always with its memories.Your thought .

There are memories and there are memories, our memorys are very much older than we are accustomed to believe. We are all very old in memory, we really don't forget anything, everything in your chain back to square one is still in your mind, why would anything destroy data. You would modify, compress, fuse,supliment, review and save, but you would not discard and begin from scratch, you can't progress if you don't remember. Memory is the key to life, forget and you die. :wave:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... we really don't forget anything, everything in your chain back to square one is still in your mind, why would anything destroy data.

Don't think so. Memory doesn't appear to record most of what goes on around us, our perceptions select and filter what's going to be remembered. And we do forget. There's no universally agreed upon model of how memory works, but it's clear it's not like a computer disk that records everything written to it. There's an interesting discussion of it here.

 

[tamarin]

Oh, pop-squattle! One thing I do and have done for some 30 years now is write a daily journal. And one of the exercises I enjoy is to pick something in the past and try to draw out as much as possible from my memory of what it was and what it was like. It is crushingly difficult. Most of what we experience is lost forever.

 

[selfactivated]

I want to experience reality too thats why I take my medication.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Oh, pop-squattle!

Hey, I like that one! May I use it too?

 

[tamarin]

Dexter, I would be honoured!

 

[darkbeaver]

Don't think so. Memory doesn't appear to record most of what goes on around us, our perceptions select and filter what's going to be remembered. And we do forget. There's no universally agreed upon model of how memory works, but it's clear it's not like a computer disk that records everything written to it. There's an interesting discussion of it here.

Do you realy not think so?Or have you just got bad recall? When did you learn to blink and suck air? Memory at the molecular level and at the sub atomic level.You learn to use your memory your access to the available memory depends on the awareness you reach.
If there's no universally agreed upon model of how memory works, how can it be clear to you what dosn't work. That means this beaver feels confident enough to stick with my ideas about my memory.

 

[Said1]

What I find most interesting about memory is perception. That is how you can perceive things differently, years later and see things for what they were then.

 

[tamarin]

Perception is often a fool. The lackey of wishful thinking and squandered hope. It'll never make captain!

 

[darkbeaver]

What I find most interesting about memory is perception. That is how you can perceive things differently, years later and see things for what they were then.

Christ you're smart.:wave:

 

[darkbeaver]

Perception is often a fool. The lackey of wishful thinking and squandered hope. It'll never make captain!

There's no question about a fools flawed perception, no matter, what's unforgivable is fataly flawed perception.:wave:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If there's no universally agreed upon model of how memory works. how can it be clear to you what dosn't work.

Faulty logic, and not really what I said anyway. Not knowing how something works doesn't mean we can't eliminate any possibilities for how it *does* work. Disk drives, barring catastrophic hardware failures, don't forget, people do, and without catastrophic hardware (or should that be wetware?) failures, so clearly the computer is not an appropriate model for how memory works.

Also, my recall is excellent, thanks for asking, and there's no evidence I've ever heard of that there are any sub-atomic processes involved with memory.

 

[tamarin]

I always wondered how memory works with dreams. I've had tens of thousands of the latter. Do you think they're all still embedded in my head?

 

[hermanntrude]

Ive heard many a time that memory is perfect but recall of the memories is what lets us down. It might not be true but I believed it was something at least strongly suggested by scientific evidence

 

[darkbeaver]

Faulty logic, and not really what I said anyway. Not knowing how something works doesn't mean we can't eliminate any possibilities for how it *does* work. Disk drives, barring catastrophic hardware failures, don't forget, people do, and without catastrophic hardware (or should that be wetware?) failures, so clearly the computer is not an appropriate model for how memory works.

Also, my recall is excellent, thanks for asking, and there's no evidence I've ever heard of that there are any sub-atomic processes involved with memory.

That's because I'v not yet published, if particles got no memory how come they know each other, or is that just instinct. Your head is stuffed with sub-atomic particles. What are they doing up there. And why should I listen to a magician anyway. Computers are a poor example of the memory we're discussing. I maintain that every bit of data you we're exposed to is in you somewhere weather you can remember how to access it or not is another subject. IMHO

 

[Said1]

I always wondered how memory works with dreams. I've had tens of thousands of the latter. Do you think they're all still embedded in my head?

With practice, you can get better at remembering some of them.

 

[selfactivated]

With practice, you can get better at remembering some of them.

I keep a dream journal. And in the past 5 years I keep a journal. Memory is tainted by emotion. My Sis is my memory keeper for most my life. I cant remember most of my adult life and only bits of my childhood.