Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts


Johnnny
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This is getting ridiculous. My dad has been threatened, more than once......

And roughly a week ago local 6500 got one of there younger members to call my little brother who is trying to make a living at his electrical company. The kid kept calling and calling verbally attacking my brother. He said **** like we got 3000 members who know who you are we are strong.

When i answered the next time he called, i said

"come on over and bring your 3000 boyfriends and ill spank you in front of them"
"hes like what do you mean"
"i said you keep calling here like you want something well come over and make some substance of your comments, either **** off or come on over with your back up"

He stopped calling

Now there throwing up graffiti, what a bunch of whine babies.

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Graffiti bearing slogans such as “Vale go home,” “scab 4 a day, scab 4 life,” and even the names of Vale employees have started appearing on rock cuts along public roadways throughout Greater Sudbury.

Vale spokesperson Steve Ball said the graffiti, located in Copper Cliff, Levack, Azilda, and along Big Nickel Mine Road, is “mostly anti-company.” He said he has “no idea who is doing it.”

“From our perspective, it's certainly a shame, given the sensitive nature of negotiations,” he said.

“There's also the fact that these actions are defacing our city. This is a city that people are coming to on holiday during the summer months. We probably have more visitors now than at other times of the year.”

Steelworkers Local 6500 president John Fera could not immediately be reached for comment on the matter.

If there are any Local 6500 members here, id like to say that you guys are the worse kind of people in the city of sudbury. Its people like you who make great cash and do next to **** all that gives our city a very ****ty profile.

And dont tell me the majority of you guys work hard, ask the kids in the mining engineering techinician and technologists programs they cant wait for the easy life.

Work contracts like real men
 
lone wolf
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They're all going to learn some reality when Vale breaks the union....
 
Johnnny
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i hope vale smashes the **** out of them..... Honestly i was all about the canadian worker getting what he wants from foreign nationals, but **** these clowns....

I love my family and i respect other peoples families. But if you cant respect mine, im going to not give two ****s about yours.

**** IM REALLY MAD NOW.

who the **** do these people think they are
Last edited by Johnnny; Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:58 PM..
 
lone wolf
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I think Vale is about ready to close shop in Sudbury. This is their fourth name change since any environment or pension contracts were signed. It wouldn't surprise me to find out most of the pension data burned with the Steelworkers hall. Sudbury ores are high in sulphur content and expensive to process. Right now, it's being salted with Voiceys Bar ores - if Sudbury's are even coming up from the hole. Most of what is actually being produced is gold, platinum and palladium. Nickel prices aren't there. Then, there are the ads that promised that Inco (Vale now) wanted to reduce its footprint on Sudbury's environment. The strike might be a perfect cover.
 
karrie
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I am not a fan of modern unions. most union workers I see use the union as an excuse to be a slack ass, rather than as a protection of their lives and health as they were originally intended. That being said... taking a scab job comes with an awareness of what you're getting yourself into. My sympathy for either side is slim.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I am not a fan of modern unions. most union workers I see use the union as an excuse to be a slack ass, rather than as a protection of their lives and health as they were originally intended. That being said... taking a scab job comes with an awareness of what you're getting yourself into. My sympathy for either side is slim.

karrie my brother works contracts he either takes them or eats pie. If you were in his position and you had bills to pay youd cross the picket line...

His company works for vale not local 6500....
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

karrie my brother works contracts he either takes them or eats pie. If you were in his position and you had bills to pay youd cross the picket line...

His company works for vale not local 6500....

yeah, i would totally cross a picket line. Never said I wouldn't. What I'm saying is I'd man up and not whine about the result.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I am not a fan of modern unions. most union workers I see use the union as an excuse to be a slack ass, rather than as a protection of their lives and health as they were originally intended. That being said... taking a scab job comes with an awareness of what you're getting yourself into. My sympathy for either side is slim.

My son-in-law is one of those deemed as a scab by the Union gang. There was no problem when he was contracted by Inco/Vale to keep rocks from falling on miners' heads - until the Union went on strike. He's not in their Union ... and my grandkids have to eat. Also, mine ceilings have to be maintained....
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

yeah, i would totally cross a picket line. Never said I wouldn't. What I'm saying is I'd man up and not whine about the result.

he has manned up we called them out they backed down

2 vs 3000
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

My son-in-law is one of those deemed as a scab by the Union gang. There was no problem when he was contracted by Inco to keep rocks from falling on miners' heads - until the Union went on strike. He's not in their Union ... and my grandkids have to eat. Also, mine ceilings have to be maintained....

working alongside a union until they decide to strike shouldn't make you a 'scab' imo.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

working alongside a union until they decide to strike shouldn't make you a 'scab' imo.

I wouldn't think so either ... but his name, address and phone number appear on the 6500 scab site.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

working alongside a union until they decide to strike shouldn't make you a 'scab' imo.


there calling there brother union 2020 scabs also because 2020 settled

thats how crazy this is getting
 
TenPenny
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In about 2 years, when the Hydromet facility is started up in Newfoundland, I think Sudbury will have a rude wake up call.

Vale is an international company, and they have no love for 6500. Just look at the strike up in Voisey's Bay.
 
Johnnny
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you should see some of the facebook profiles some of these strikers have

the union thug theme is being over played way to much
 
Machjo
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It would be an honour for me to have my name added to a scab list. But alas, I'm not unionized and can't imagine ever having the honour of crossing a picket line of any company I have involvements with.

Oh well, I can only dream. Unless there's some honorary scab list I could get my name added to?
 
petros
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If mining is the good life why do miners die young? Is there a job more dangerous?

Miners should make double what they do now.

If you are against someone being paid fairly and want heads cracked then you are a fascist or a sociopath.

A sociopath can be cured with medication and cognative skills training but the only cure for fascism is 2.09 grams of lead @ 1320 meters per second.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

If mining is the good life why do miners die young? Is there a job more dangerous?

Miners should make double what they do now.

If you are against someone being paid fairly and want heads cracked then you are a fascist or a sociopath.

A sociopath can be cured with medication and cognative skills training but the only cure for fascism is 2.09 grams of lead @ 1320 meters per second.

Who are you referring to? Personally, I'd all be for laws such as:

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This would help to put workers and management on a more equal playing field. I could also support something similar to:

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So I'm certainly for ensuring equity in the workplace and would certainly support laws moving in the direction of legislation promoting more unity and cooperation between labour and management. I do not support confrontational approaches as exemplified by labour union action.

Perhap this is where we draw the distinction between a corporatist and a socialist. I fall firmly into the corporatist camp. And before you jump on the corporation-bashing bandwagon, look up corporatism, and you'll see that it's an economic model that has nothing to do with just pandering to multinational corporations. And if you look up social corporatism, you'll see that even some on the moderate left support corporatism too. Even Sweden, that model of socialism, is really more of a corporatist than socialist corporate model.
 
Johnnny
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Canadian mines are already very safe and there are very very very very very very very very few deaths from mining in sudbury over the last few years if any

This has more to do with the dumb union mindset than anything else

the union thinks they can push anyone around but thats not the case anymore

the union thinks it can hold my city hostage
 
lone wolf
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How dangerous is sitting in an air-conditioned surface office operating your skip tram by remote control?
 
Johnnny
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those miners muck for 2 hours and hide in the lunch room, they brag about it
 
petros
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Canadian mines are already very safe and there are very very very very very very very very few deaths from mining in sudbury over the last few years

What are the comparative cancer rates for Sudbury miners and then the rest of the city then compared to the national average?

Where do Vale profits go? What does Vale reinvest back into Canada for mining R&D?
 
Johnnny
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What are the comparative cancer rates for Sudbury miners and then the rest of the city then compared to the national average?

the majority are also cronic drinkers, if they cut down on that stuff cancer rates would go down....

Id say its not much different than people working in machine shops,
 
petros
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It sounds more like a jealousy issue than anything else.

Is it the union's fault you never pushed yourself harder through life to achieve more where you can see that being a miner is deserving of what they make in the world's most lucrative industry?

Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

the majority are also cronic drinkers, if they cut down on that stuff cancer rates would go down....

Id say its not much different than people working in machine shops,

passing the buck are we? What are the rates? Show some facts.

Are machinists chronic drinkers too?
 
Johnnny
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petros no offence but last time i talked about sudbury mining operations you thought creighton flin flon was in sudbury

Your not here you dont know whats going on, you just here pro union stuff

they do nothing and make money

yes i am jealous i wish i could work 2 hrs a day and get paid for 8 really i wish i could.

My job as a geophysist is way more dangerous
 
lone wolf
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So ... do you think a "good union" should demand the community's support and bully contractors who have no other choice but to work?
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

So ... do you think a "good union" should demand the community's support and bully contractors who have no other choice but to work?


the only good union is 2020
 
Machjo
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If workers were serious about equity in the workplace, they'd push for more work legislation for all rather than pit themselves against management all the time. Confrontationalism solves little if anything and merely poisons the work environment.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

If workers were serious about equity in the workplace, they'd push for more work legislation for all rather than pit themselves against management all the time. Confrontationalism solves little if anything and merely poisons the work environment.

damn right how the hell do you think i feel when they are harrsssing/threatening my family

petros seems to think my family should not do their jobs becuase a union is on strike...

You know how many friend i had at atlas copco that got laid off because of the strike. One of them has 3 kids and a house, he has had no work since last year and lives at his parents now with his family. Local 6500 doesnt care about people like them
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

those miners muck for 2 hours and hide in the lunch room, they brag about it

I take it you've never worked udergoround? If they mucked all day for less money when would the geologist, drillers and blasters have time before shift end? If you can't feel the ground shaking when walking through the parking lot 1/2 hr before your shift start you know there will be hell to pay from management.
 
Machjo
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And Johnny does ahve a point about the alcohol. I'd like to see statistics on teetotaler miner death rates compared to drinking minor death rates, and then compare those to teetotalers among the rest of the population and drinkers among the rest of the population to be fair.

You can blame your work environment for certain medical ailments indeed, in which case the solution is not higher income but more safety gear to protect against those elements in the first place. If the only interest is raising wages, then clearly they're not serious about their health.

But you certainly cannot blame the environment for the worker's drinking, unless of course the employer tolerates alcohol consumption on the job?
 

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