#91
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
Vale isn't going to leave Canada. They might scale back Sudbury, but they sure aren't leaving Canada.
Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
#92
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
Vale isn't about nickel. Vale is about profit. Unions are not profitable. Environment is not profitable. Vale isn't going to leave Canada without leaving a huge mess behind them.
#93
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Risus
Another with no clue......You don't get it do you? Blame the unions for the high prices of local nickel (learn how to spell it...) because of their outrageous demands. If Indonesia or anyone else can supply it cheaper, look at the locals and blame them.
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
One more time. Would you have prefered lay offs doled out by Vale?Vale isn't about nickel. Vale is about profit. Unions are not profitable. Environment is not profitable. Vale isn't going to leave Canada without leaving a huge mess behind them.
Yes or ****ing no?
#94
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Lay-off means no wannabe gangster tactics ... and happen seasonally anyhow.Another with no clue......
One more time. Would you have prefered lay offs doled out by Vale?
Yes or ****ing no?
If you're so damned smart, why do you need a union?
#95
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
No no no. This wouldn't have been seasonsal retrofit shut down lay offs. Would it have been better if Vale gave out lay off because of low market prices?Lay-off means no wannabe gangster tactics ... and happen seasonally anyhow.
If you're so damned smart, why do you need a union?
Yes or No?
#96
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
For Vale? YesNo no no. This wouldn't have been seasonsal retrofit shut down lay offs. Would it have been better if Vale gave out lay off because of low market prices?
Yes or No?
For the USW people who still have jobs? Yes
For security reasons? Yes
For the community? Yes
For 6500? No. (fewer pockets to live from)
Do you see a lot of thug behaviour about the closure of Xstrada's Kidd Met site?
#97
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
And those are the exact reasons Vale took advantage of the situation and won't give the ON miners parity with other provinces unit the pig nickel problem goes away. Even if the Union took a settlement that was already tabled nobody is going back to work anytime soon.For Vale? Yes
For the USW people who still have jobs? Yes
For security reasons? Yes
For the community? Yes
For 6500? No. (fewer pockets to live from)
Do you see a lot of thug behaviour about the closure of Xstrada's Kidd Met site?
Why is it hard to understand that market is the problem during a recession?
#98
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Pig nickel isn't the problem. You still need pure stuff to make it to spec. 6500 wants parity in a time when the markets are down. They refused concessions to keep their jobs - based on the fact Vale settled with its Brazilian workforce without concessions. Vale isn't going to budge either. They'd like things here to be the same as in Brazil. They would prefer to have all contract workers. Would 6500 people work for what a Brazilian worker earns? Neither of them can have it both ways. Vale can survive without Sudbury. The Sudbury Local can't survive without Vale.And those are the exact reasons Vale took advantage of the situation and won't give the ON miners parity with other provinces unit the pig nickel problem goes away. Even if the Union took a settlement that was already tabled nobody is going back to work anytime soon.
Why is it hard to understand that market is the problem during a recession?
Why is that so hard to understand?
#99
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
Now you agree markets go down. Good to see you were paying attention yesterday. Now hopefully you'll catch on to how Vale is using the down turn as an excuse to shut down and blame the union by not giving parity.Pig nickel isn't the problem. You still need pure stuff to make it to spec. 6500 wants parity in a time when the markets are down. They refused concessions to keep their jobs - based on the fact Vale settled with its Brazilian workforce without concessions. Vale isn't going to budge either. They'd like things here to be the same as in Brazil. They would prefer to have all contract workers. Would 6500 people work for what a Brazilian worker earns? Neither of them can have it both ways. Vale can survive without Sudbury. The Sudbury Local can't survive without Vale.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Very smart. Vale's PR spin team did very well.
#100
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
When did I say markets didn't fluctuate? My bad for assuming it was common knowledge.Now you agree markets go down. Good to see you were paying attention yesterday. Now hopefully you'll catch on to how Vale is using the down turn as an excuse to shut down and blame the union by not giving parity.
Very smart. Vale's PR spin team did very well.
Like I said: If you're so damned smart, why do you need a union?
Do you know anything at all about Sudbury specifically ... or just all mine unions in general?
#101
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
Hey lonewolf tell me more about this union culutre i hear alot about in sudbury
#102
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
The big picture looks different doesn't it? Vale isn't going anywhere and they are the ones manipulating the contract situation to their PR and financial benefit.
So you tell me who is really screwing who here.
Vale can give parity at anytime but wouldn't be able to offer work and that would still do nothing for the potential viloence or market demand.
So you tell me who is really screwing who here.
Vale can give parity at anytime but wouldn't be able to offer work and that would still do nothing for the potential viloence or market demand.
#103
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Now, go give yourself a big pat on the back and think you just schooled someone on what he already knows. The gist of this thread is in how 6500's bully tactics within the community have lost them the support of the community. Inco? It's always been the bad guy in Sudbury - what with the smell of hell all over the town - and its donations for libraries, arenas, hospitals, universities. What has 6500 done - besides pick miner pockets in its effort to bleed a company white.The big picture looks different doesn't it? Vale isn't going anywhere and they are the ones manipulating the contract situation to their PR and financial benefit.
So you tell me who is really screwing who here.
Vale can give parity at anytime but wouldn't be able to offer work and that would still do nothing for the potential viloence or market demand.
#104
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
The union sent assholes out to do stupid **** or it was just stupid assholes?
Now I know you're really dreaming.
Now I know you're really dreaming.
#105
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Now I know you're deliberately being stupid.The union sent assholes out to do stupid **** or it was just stupid assholes?
Now I know you're really dreaming.
#106
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
Are you saying the union sent those guys out to do stupid ****? Yes or no?
What would the violence and jealousy in Sudbury be like if each and every person working for Vale had to negotiate their own contract?
Could they afford the lawyer bills involved yearly?
What would the violence and jealousy in Sudbury be like if each and every person working for Vale had to negotiate their own contract?
Could they afford the lawyer bills involved yearly?
#107
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
I can't make unfounded accusations. That's the Union's job. That they have goons in their membership whose mentality leads to threats, assaults, damage to private property and spray-painting graffiti on rocks is no surprise. That 6500 wanted to block the main access to Sudbury Regional Hospital and the fire hall to hold a demonstration rally tells me how much they really give a damn for the community. There are NO good guys.
#108
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
They have goons.....LMFAO.
Go ahead, answer the two other questions. What is stopping you?
Go ahead, answer the two other questions. What is stopping you?
#109
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
What's stopping me? Maybe the fact you edited them in while I was responding. They have goons.....LMFAO.
Go ahead, answer the two other questions. What is stopping you?
Did I say they HAVE goons? Maybe a course in basic reading comprehension might be of interest to you ... if that sounds like goons in the membership. Your spin. Your problem.
Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Did you see somewhere that I claimed to be Jo-Jo? How in Hell could anyone know what contacting employees would do. Among the contractors who do exist and work those mines, there is no jealousy or violence. The lions share of people underground are contractors - electricians, rock bolters, service techs.
What would the violence and jealousy in Sudbury be like if each and every person working for Vale had to negotiate their own contract?
Could they afford the lawyer bills involved yearly?
What lawyer bill? Again, you're asking of a psychic ability I don't claim to have ... and looking even sillier in the process.
#110
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010Quote:
All were one time uniojn mine jobs. Production is about the only union division left out of production, water, electric, and air. The lions share of people underground are contractors - electricians, rock bolters, service techs.
The private contractor decides what his employees get not the employee. How many contractors give raises after renegotiating a new deal?
#111
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
All that I know of.
Man.... You should see the Samurai my son-in-law got with his signing bonus
Isn't it time for you to respond to some questions as posed in previous posts?
Man.... You should see the Samurai my son-in-law got with his signing bonus
Isn't it time for you to respond to some questions as posed in previous posts?
#112
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 27th, 2010
petros, I agree with you, unions don't have goons.
THEY ARE ALL GOONS.
THEY ARE ALL GOONS.
#113
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 28th, 2010
What I find funny about 6500 is that they always preach community support, community support, and so on. Such as shopping at local businesses, keeping the money made from wages in Sudbury. But yet, these very same preachers freely shop at non-local (even non canadian) places such as Sears, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, and Lowe's just to name a few. The money spent from their wages not only doesn't stay in the community, it doesm't even stay in the country. But when the money spent does stay in this country, it's spent at non local shops and automobile dealerships.
If 6500 really wants 'community support' like they constantly cry out, then they should practice what they preach. Such a "do as we say not as we do" mentality.
If 6500 really wants 'community support' like they constantly cry out, then they should practice what they preach. Such a "do as we say not as we do" mentality.
#114
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 28th, 2010
Do you shop at places such as Sears, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, and Lowe's just to name a few or you avoid them like the plague and shop at Giant Tiger, CDN Tire, Homo Hardware?
#115
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 28th, 2010
No petros, I shop at my local businesses.
Hey Johnny. Check out this little vid, go to youtube and type sudbury is small. These are the people who want (but demand would be a more appropriate word) us to support them.
Off topic: how do I link a vid from youtube to a post on this site?
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Hey Johnny. Check out this little vid, go to youtube and type sudbury is small. These are the people who want (but demand would be a more appropriate word) us to support them.
Off topic: how do I link a vid from youtube to a post on this site?
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Last edited by Ron in Regina; Jun 29th, 2010 at 12:07 AM..
#116
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 29th, 2010
VP Cory McPhee reported on CTV: negotiations came to naught. last Tuesday they might have had an agreement but the Local 6500 said no ... not until those picketline thugs are rehired.
#117
Re: Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts
Jun 30th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
VP Cory McPhee reported on CTV: negotiations came to naught. last Tuesday they might have had an agreement but the Local 6500 said no ... not until those picketline thugs are rehired.
See folks thats what im saying thugs4life
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LOL @ the person who said i have no clue about why this strike hasnt been settled Mediated negotiations between Steelworkers Local 6500 and Vale have been ended by mediator Kevin Burkett.
“I regret to announce that after extensive mediation between Vale and United Steelworkers, the parties are deadlocked,” Burkett stated, in a press release issued at around 4:30 p.m. June 29.
“The deadlock concerns the adjudicative avenues available to eight of the nine employees discharged from their employment during the course of the strike.
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