Mighty Intellect
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October 15th, 2007, 06:02 AM
This is a relatively long read but very provocative. The teachers' unions won't like it. http://www.gilesschool.ca/starnet/me...ort_100407.pdf
This is a relatively long read but very provocative. The teachers' unions won't like it. http://www.gilesschool.ca/starnet/me...ort_100407.pdf
Bright Spark
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December 20th, 2007, 07:18 AM
I agree. The article is long. I'll post a link to War and Peace for you, and you can thank me later.
And your own point is? You don't like the teachers' union. The education industry is very powerful in Canada, powerful enough to call its own shots, powerful enough to change your mind, that it molds for so many years.
Some guy wants to give the children to the education industry at the age of three. Not this education industry please! They do a dismal job from the age of five now, and any proposal to expand a system that is both bloated and defective is just a typical sort of education industry proposal,
I agree. The article is long. I'll post a link to War and Peace for you, and you can thank me later.
And your own point is? You don't like the teachers' union. The education industry is very powerful in Canada, powerful enough to call its own shots, powerful enough to change your mind, that it molds for so many years.
Some guy wants to give the children to the education industry at the age of three. Not this education industry please! They do a dismal job from the age of five now, and any proposal to expand a system that is both bloated and defective is just a typical sort of education industry proposal,
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December 20th, 2007, 07:29 AM
If we really want to provide education we should not ever use the words industry and education in the same sentence. Similarly children and industry must enjoy strictly enforced separation. When we sell our kids to McDonalds from infancy we can expect a nation of clowns called Ronald to eventually rule the nation. There is no more hideous crime than education through commerce.
If we really want to provide education we should not ever use the words industry and education in the same sentence. Similarly children and industry must enjoy strictly enforced separation. When we sell our kids to McDonalds from infancy we can expect a nation of clowns called Ronald to eventually rule the nation. There is no more hideous crime than education through commerce.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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December 20th, 2007, 09:26 AM
That moment it went from a calling to a profession, when teachers stopped caring about the kids in support of Union over school board is when education ceased to be a system and became tanglefoot....
Woof!
That moment it went from a calling to a profession, when teachers stopped caring about the kids in support of Union over school board is when education ceased to be a system and became tanglefoot....
Woof!
A modern nomad
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Location: Berlin, Germany
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December 20th, 2007, 09:34 AM
I started reading it and was immediately confronted with strongly phrased controversial statements which were not properly cited. In fact, there is not a citation to be seen which makes verification an exercise in fanaticism. This is nothing more than a cheerleading piece for those already inclined to agree with the opinions contained in it.
The very first sentence:
I started reading it and was immediately confronted with strongly phrased controversial statements which were not properly cited. In fact, there is not a citation to be seen which makes verification an exercise in fanaticism. This is nothing more than a cheerleading piece for those already inclined to agree with the opinions contained in it.
The very first sentence:
Quote:
What research? The OECD recently showed that large schools are more efficient in education than small schools, and private schools tout their small class sizes as the seal of approval: "More of teacher's time!" Unlike what people who think denying the antecedent is valid logic believe, classical economics does not say that a crown business is inefficient. Sufficient conditions for market efficiency are not the same as necessary conditions.
Most people accept that private schools are on average better than public schools, and the accuracy of their belief is borne out by the research.
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December 20th, 2007, 10:02 AM
Quoting jimshort19
HAHAHAHAHA "War and peace" it's proping up the starboard side of me couch keeping me from capsizeing into a pile of essays and newspaper clippins.
I agree. The article is long. I'll post a link to War and Peace for you, and you can thank me later.
And your own point is? You don't like the teachers' union. The education industry is very powerful in Canada, powerful enough to call its own shots, powerful enough to change your mind, that it molds for so many years.
Some guy wants to give the children to the education industry at the age of three. Not this education industry please! They do a dismal job from the age of five now, and any proposal to expand a system that is both bloated and defective is just a typical sort of education industry proposal,
And your own point is? You don't like the teachers' union. The education industry is very powerful in Canada, powerful enough to call its own shots, powerful enough to change your mind, that it molds for so many years.
Some guy wants to give the children to the education industry at the age of three. Not this education industry please! They do a dismal job from the age of five now, and any proposal to expand a system that is both bloated and defective is just a typical sort of education industry proposal,
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December 20th, 2007, 10:06 AM
Quoting Niflmir
That's what I believe. We've got a super school in my community, it's a microcosim of the commercial world, built to grind kids into proper consumers and planet wreakers.
I started reading it and was immediately confronted with strongly phrased controversial statements which were not properly cited. In fact, there is not a citation to be seen which makes verification an exercise in fanaticism. This is nothing more than a cheerleading piece for those already inclined to agree with the opinions contained in it.
The very first sentence:
What research? The OECD recently showed that large schools are more efficient in education than small schools, and private schools tout their small class sizes as the seal of approval: "More of teacher's time!" Unlike what people who think denying the antecedent is valid logic believe, classical economics does not say that a crown business is inefficient. Sufficient conditions for market efficiency are not the same as necessary conditions.
The very first sentence:
What research? The OECD recently showed that large schools are more efficient in education than small schools, and private schools tout their small class sizes as the seal of approval: "More of teacher's time!" Unlike what people who think denying the antecedent is valid logic believe, classical economics does not say that a crown business is inefficient. Sufficient conditions for market efficiency are not the same as necessary conditions.
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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December 20th, 2007, 11:50 AM
Since the changes to the Ontario Education system 1995-1998, kids are expected to do more and learn more. The worst thing is they are forced to work harder as well! Where a they get
a C- today it was acutually an B+ grade a century ago.
Teachers are under greater pressure and require class sizes to be smaller. Kids with special needs are being shoved in the classroom closet where teachers can not meet the demands.
Would it not be more easy to put the grades where they should be! Less stress and more sleep for parents, kids and teachers!!
Since the changes to the Ontario Education system 1995-1998, kids are expected to do more and learn more. The worst thing is they are forced to work harder as well! Where a they get
a C- today it was acutually an B+ grade a century ago.
Teachers are under greater pressure and require class sizes to be smaller. Kids with special needs are being shoved in the classroom closet where teachers can not meet the demands.
Would it not be more easy to put the grades where they should be! Less stress and more sleep for parents, kids and teachers!!
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December 20th, 2007, 12:15 PM
Get the politics out for a start. That will make a huge difference right there. Most people use the school system as an entry level political position, and as scum rises to the top, the longer they are in the further they will go.
Get the politics out for a start. That will make a huge difference right there. Most people use the school system as an entry level political position, and as scum rises to the top, the longer they are in the further they will go.
December 20th, 2007, 03:10 PM
I find it particularly amusing that the author would rail against grammar comprehension in university students, and then submit a report with his own errors.
I think I faired quite well from my public education.
I find it particularly amusing that the author would rail against grammar comprehension in university students, and then submit a report with his own errors.
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Do they teach rules in grammar at The Giles School for how to properly write numbers? If I recall my English classes correctly, numbers greater than ten are expressed numerically, and numbers up to ten are spelled out. Also, there is a conflict between the subject 'life' and the verb 'involve'.
My plan then and now would involve the following radical changes in both schools and in private life involve the implementation of the following twenty-four recommendations:
I think I faired quite well from my public education.
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December 21st, 2007, 06:06 AM
Quoting darkbeaver
Unfortunately, it is the job of schools to expose our little citizens to our culture and simultaneously educate them in a culture neutral way. I remember being told things in school like to think critically and value friends over money; that says a lot about some of the teachers I have had. There were many teachers concerned for the environment too, and there was an acid river "nearby" where I lived to drive the point home. Many of the things I was told jarred with the culture I was continuously bombarded by though, which is part of what caused many problems for me in high school.
That's what I believe. We've got a super school in my community, it's a microcosim of the commercial world, built to grind kids into proper consumers and planet wreakers.
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December 21st, 2007, 10:18 AM
Quoting Unforgiven
I'v seen the parasites attach themselves to the local fool board many times. A more disgusting and vile activity we are hard pressed to find. In the last couple of years of my daughters high school her and I enjoyed pulling thier teeth out through thier noses on a couple of ocassions. She was very rebellious and they we're defenseless. The first father and daughter meeting with the pompuss assholes was hilarious you know they thought I was bringing a corrected newly disciplined kid before them to hear thier nutty pronouncments. We scored a shut out, walkover victory in the face of commercial jello in suits. A couple of months later they had her and I waiting for an hour in the schoolboard lobby for a meeting they scheduled. They couldn't face us and never even ventured out of the boardroom to offer a civilized excuse or extend normal apologys for wasted time. Those meetrings we're a great education for my daughter, she's a university student today despite the twits that tried to educate her.
Get the politics out for a start. That will make a huge difference right there. Most people use the school system as an entry level political position, and as scum rises to the top, the longer they are in the further they will go.
