GTA Regional Elections this Novemeber

Seems the hot topic is to ellect as many new people as possible to Regional Governments to try and stop all the corruption in the Regional Administrative levels.

Does anyone think that electing all new people to Regional Seats can stop the Gangsterism and Billions worth of Corruption going on in the Nine Regional Governments of Ontario?

Nope....it won't make any difference who is elected.
I live in northern York Region...we are represented on regional council by one elected regional councillor and by our mayor.
The head of York region is UNELECTED !!!!He/she is chosen by the elected mayors and regional councillors.
I might add,that York region wants to be a major power player in all things GTA....so,we now have this immense bus service zipping around our small town of Keswick..mind you,just around Keswick...not interconnected to Newmarket(hospitals,doctors,dentists,shopping)...f or that you have to get OFF the regional bus and get onto a GO bus....oh,and not interconnected to Sutton(again,the GO bus routine!!)
These buses run with great frequency, and are empty!!!Decisions are made at regional coucil that have a huge impact on our property taxes, and they are big item costs(like a police helicopter) and we just keep paying up. It's nuts!!

It's a lot worse than just nuts.

It's intentional and its corrupt. The politicians have no control over it and just go along for the ride as long as they get their share of the benefits.

They know that the best they can do is act like everything is ok and do their best to put a front of integrity and responsibility to hide the corruption, and deny and stonewall everything that comes out.

The corruption is in the hundreds of millions per month across the GTA from Niagara to Muskoka and they spend a great deal of it keeping things under wraps.

People are lucky to get 20% value on the dollar and the rest is mostly stolen outright.

Not just York Region but in all of the nine Regions of Ontario. Places like Peel Region are among the worst, but from Niagara all the way to Muskoka its all the same interbread pigs at the trough on every opportunity that presents itself.

Again the elected do not make a difference. As soon as anyone is ellected they must tow the line or they are taken out soon enough if anyone good gets elected by mistake.

There is always a certainty that a majority of the council members will be corruptable and the administrators make sure they always get elected and will do anything, including fixing elections results in their favour to not loose control over the majority of Council votes by controlling enough seats.

The problems huge and reaches all levels of government including the Province and the Federal political party's command and control centers who both work togther helpinig to preserve the nafariousness of Ontario's Regions so they can make use them when they need to as well.

It's incredible, but its true and noobody will do anything about this problem. Too many big people are involved and it is basically THE wholesale outlet for the lions share of all corrupt activities going on across all of Canada.

Isn't Finder running for election ???

Love to hear Finder's views.

In any event the CAO's of the Nine Ontario Region's have been retiring and leaving the country in droves over the last few years in keeping with all the public attention their corrupt activities have been getting.

With the Competition Bureau going in to each one of them in the last three years making presentations about bid rigging and colusion and other things they felt has become necessary to educate the elected non-elected on.

The rash of police investigations on Regional Government activities that have been going on, has certainly helped push people to make the decision to retire and leave the country.

Futhermore they don't like the internet and public forums popping up everywhere and starting to comment on the blaitantly corrupt activities that have become apparent just from people following their council minutes and other publicly documented activities.

Altogether the winds of change are blowing everywhere for the Region's of Ontario to be disbanded. There have been some fights here and there with the most notable one being Peel Region and Mississauga.

That was an amazing example but that died down around the time McCallion got the Order of Canada and that seemed to serve to quite her down over disbanding Peel Region that she was all gungho for till them.

Peel Region and the other Region's influence in Canada is astonoshing and what is most amazing is that few people even realise they exist. They don't realize that the Regions are 60% of their muncipal government and the one that delivers most of the services they use everyday but take for granted.

Regional governments are a product of the Ontario government....and for them to be "de-established", there would have to be either an incredibly strong push from taxpayers or findings of corruption. It won't happen...

The reason it wont happen is because they are the dumping ground for the genetic turds of the powerful of Ontario.

The taxpayers don't stand a chance. Every elected official who is NOT CORRUPT wants them gone but are too afraid to raise the subject or try anything because they know how all powerful they have become from having helpselssly watch them ruin a great many good people over the last thirty years.

They control Policing, the Court, the Law, and the mass media and have become the most corrupt and abusive governement system in Canada; quite literally as bad as, or much worse, than the Gestapo Gangsters used by openly Fascist Governments to control the public and government activities everywhere by bullying, thuggary, coercion and collusion.

This is why it will never happen.

It's not the fault of Taxpayer's or the fault of our Laws and/or Law Enforcement, nor is it the fault of elected representatives. It is the fault of Government Administrators everywhere that have put the Regional Administrators at the top of the corruption food chain in Canada, by dowloading ever more money and power to them when they know that are beyond public scrutiny or controls and COMPLETELY CORRUPT IN EVERYWAY ANYTHING CAN BE CORRUPT.

Some of the most corrupt government administrators in history create them 30 years ago as their way of finding ways to pilfer and rape the public coffers outside of public scrutiny and have since grown stronger to the point that they now control the whole Province of Ontario Government 100%; AND BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES and by controling the Ontario Government and the political pparties they control the Federal Government as well by extension.

Canada has become a fascist government without ANY democracy as a result of the influence and nafarious activities of the Nine Ontario Regional Government's Senior Administrators.

The Nine Regional Government of Ontario are the most corrupt organizations on planet earth.

They are the cesspool where all the dirty public servants go when they get caught stealing money from the taxpayers and get fired from other governments.

Once in the Region they can steal as much as they can get their hands on without anyone even watching so they don't get caught again once in there.

In case anyone notices anything, they control the local media, the local police, the court system, and the politicians around them in every level so nothing can ever be done by anyone to stop them.

The only solution is a final solution which removes these organizations completly and prevents these specific public employees from ever getting any other public job elsewhere.

The most senior employees especially those that have recently started to retire over the last five or six years after they reach over thirty years of service each need to be tracked down and their personal and net family assets and world holding evaluated so that some of them can be stripped of their worldly possetions and thrown in jail to live out the rest of their natural lives there intead of off to some off shore island with millions in illgotten gains from holding mere public employement jobs as administrative civil servants.

I'm running, and I don't havemuch time to post my views right now as I have a busy day at work right now but I will later. Anyhow I do not know if my chances of getting elected are any good right now. The guy in my ward ended up not retiring and will be seeking re-election, which is a big blow to my bid as it is extremely hard unseating these guys. I will be surporting the 3 terms and you are out program I believe some people from the star are pushing.

You guys also have many good points and are right. But if you look at the Canadian constitution you will see that municipal are not covered there and thus have no real rights. The city of Toronto and the council is actually an act of Provincial parliment. Thus we have very few rights. To prove this fact all you have to do is go back about ten years when Mike Harris forced all the cities of Metro Toronto to amalgomate, all five councils were against this move and the old city of Toronto had a referendum and voted against the move. Since this was an act of the province and since none of these cities were covered by the constitution of Canada as seperate governments and all were acts of the province the Province of Ontario forced all five cities together against their collective wills including the will of the people who voted against it.

Anyhow I have to go but I'll post more on this later.

The City of Toronto Amalgamation Act was an act of CORRUPT REGIONAL ADMINISTRATION.

So much money went to Ireland on the specific occasion from all the kickbacks flowing out of the Nine GTA Regional coffers that pushed for the amalgamation of Toronto that the whole economy of Ireland boomed just from that one greatest and biggest of all scams of all time in Canada.

You can actually see the blimp in the chart of the Irish GDP.

I could care less about the money but the way it was done was wrong and shows the lack of power regional governments have.... Next to none, any power they have is given to them and can be removed at any time by the province. When you consider that Toronto is the 5th (If memory serves me right) largest government in Canada you'd think these governments would be covered by the Canadian Constitution. The only way for this to change really is for it to be either writen into the constitution or for a short time fix pass laws. Though the constitution would be a lot better and stronger for municipal governments.

You don't care about the money, but the kind of money being pilfered by the Networked Nine Regional Governments of Ontario, which together are THE Largest Organization of any kind that has ever existed in Canada (even if they where legitimate) makes Enron look like candybar shoplifters.

You are right that the Networked Nine Regions of Ontario have NO LEGITIMATE POWER but they work exclusively with ILLIGITIMATE POWER, COERCION, COLLUSION and corrupt all laws, law enforcement, the Justice System, the media and buisiness community ON TOP OF THE Provincial Politicians and MUST BE KNOWN for their NAFARIOUSNESS at the Federal level but everyone is afraid of the ILLIGITIMATE POWER the have.

This is what was responsible for the FORCED ILLIGITIMATE Amalgamation of the current New Toronto, which is basical old Metro Toronto Region that took everyone else out against EVERYONES WILL.

Amazing how you believe it is legitmate that the people of Toronto who voted against it and all the city councils which took part in it all voted against it to, that you would believe that the provincial government has the right to force this down there throats. If you do not respect the people of Toronto who voted against this then who do you respect iamcanadian?

I think you should go away again and put on your tinfoil hat and be afraid of the french again. Anyhow our municipal governments have no power yet they are the closest to the average person and the situations which we deal with each day. Also if they had real power they have the ability to act faster then both the provincial and federal governments which tend to lumber around issues gathering information since they are stuck in Ottawa and don't know everything which is happening, for instance in a ward in vancover or a ward in Toronto. Where you think these governments should have less power (not sure how that could happen), I think these governments are under powered and nerfed to the point of almost uslessness at times. They have extremely limited abilities to gain funds, which is a joke. In Toronto the only way for the city to get any real money would to increase property tax which is too high as it is. They should be getting a fraction of the income tax from citizens who work in Toronto if you ask me.

This is the big problem in Toronto, our city is big, economically and well population too. We need mass transit and other things modern cities need but funding it off things like property tax is a joke. Iamcanadian I don't know what you are talking about with this money being sent to Ireland I know nothing about it but hey lots of contracts are given out by governments and they are usually bid over for the best prices. Without an actual source I can't make a comment about it as my only comment is I can only care less because I don't know the facts behind this.

Iamcanadian you have a really big problem making accusations and not sourcing where you have gotten them from. Such as saying Toronto/Ontario gave billions to Ireland for something. How can I make a comment on it. I doubt it's happend. Hell it's like me saying "well Toronto got billions from the Corrupt Irish government, which went to help build schools in Toronto". See how can you comment on that. Please at least let me know of your sources, we ran into this problem the last time you debated about the Canadian court systems.

For instance you talk about billions in waste... please out line the Toronto budget and the waste which it spends? In fact the Toronto budget is tightly controled and strapped right now and we can not find the money to pay for current programs. Not because of money wasted, but because we live in a modern city which expenses you just can't pay for with revenue from property tax and parking tickets!

Sorry, I'm totally confused. I thought there were only six regions in Ontario: Durham, Halton, Niagara, Peel, Waterloo and York?

Anyway, I have no qualms with my regional government (Waterloo) but can't stand my local government (Kitchener). They tend to be 'career' politicians (pathetic I know) and refuse to dilute their power by expanding the size of council.

Maybe you're talking about something unique to Toronto, though. It's just that you refer to it as a province-wide phenomenon.

It's almost the same in Toronto. You can't get these guys unelected!! I really think there should be a term limit. I mean to serve the nation as a politician shouldn't be a job but a civic duty, but for these people it's a job they often have for life.

I think this retards our political system greatly. But we are not the only ones with this problem, the Americans and British are just as bad as we are. However the Americans have a two term limit for Presidents.

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Regional municipalities:

Regional municipalities (or regions) are upper-tier municipalities that generally have more servicing responsibilities than the counties. They generally provide the following services: maintenance and construction of arterial roads, transit, policing, sewer and water systems, waste disposal, region-wide land use planning and development, as well as health and social services.

Regions are typically more urbanized than counties. Regional municipalities are usually implemented in census divisions where an interconnected cluster of urban centres forms the majority of the division's area and population. Regional municipalities which consisted of a single dominant centre and its suburbs became single-tier municipalities; those which were not so clearly dominated by a single municipality retained regional municipality status. Although Oxford County and the District Municipality of Muskoka are not titled as such, they are both legally considered Regional Municipalities under Part 1, Section 1 of the Ontario Municipal Act
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Regional seats are listed in brackets.

1. Durham Regional Municipality (Whitby)
2. Halton Regional Municipality (Milton)
3. Muskoka District Municipality (Bracebridge)
4. Niagara Regional Municipality (Thorold)
5. Oxford County (Woodstock)
6. Peel Regional Municipality (Brampton)
7. Waterloo Regional Municipality (Kitchener)
8. York Regional Municipality (Newmarket)
9. New City of Toronto (formerly the Metro Toronto Region)

Ah, thanks for that, iamcanadian.

And Finder, we have six city councillors in a city of over 200,000. My councillor lives a good four or so km's from me in a part of the city that has totally different concerns from my own (suburbs vs. downtown core). There are too many conflicting needs within the ward (as the political divisions are called here).

Some of these councillors have been here seemingly forever. I think that part of the problem stems from an apathetic population. Most people simply do not care and (if) they vote they will go for the recognizable name. I would support a two or three term limit.

Much more important is a limit on the number of years for bureaucracts and the career of top bureaucrats. They are the ones behind all the problems.

There needs to be a great amount of rotation created between public sector and private sector for all the public management and administrative jobs.

You have no qualms because you don't know anything about the Region of Waterloo. You would have qualms if you knew.

Waterloo is among the top offenders under the silk suited slime ball Ken Seiling.

Heir Seiling and his Gestapo Goons at the Region have your six city councillors wraped around his middle finger.

It is a Province Wide reality. Just like you, people blame their local City Councillors however they have no power and are puppets that do the Region's bidding and take the heat like paid escapegoats.

Most of the City Councilors are made to look like stooges to make it easier to anex the local tier when the Region takes over.

When the Regions take over you will then have less political representation.

If Kitchener would go Single Tier and have 20 Councillors then you would have one representative for every 10,000 people which would make them more responsive to the needs of the community and be better able to review and supervise municipal activities and catch things like the Waterloo Inquiry before they happen or nip them in the bud.

You should not re-elect anyone in Kitchener especially Heir Seiling.

Waterloo Region is one of the few larger more corrupt Regions that have a chance to be disbanded before they get too powerfull.

you are right Citizens either don't care because they think they are powerless because of the system or they don't care because they believe it really doesn't effect their lives. Both are problems and I think if there was enough reform we could win over a few from both sides. I think term limits would be the best. I hardly ever agree with "iamcanadian" but I think we could agree that term limits would help the problem.

Term limits in elected public offices are LESS important than Term Limits on the non-elected Management, Administrators and Legal Professional staff.

It is pointless to replace politicians more often yet keep the people that make the recomendations and justify council decisoins with the professional reports and legal advice that ends up being rubber stamped by whoever gets ellected.

Unless we start electing everyone from the Purchasing Managers, Directors and up to the Chief Administrator. They have all the power and the politicos have no power but get all the accountability, so its becomes a revolving door of puppets and excuse makers for those making all the decisions for life and passsing their power to the heir they will their power to when they retire.

The issue is more that the citizens DON'T KNOW. The Region's operate very secretively. No one attends their Public Council Meetings.

They provide 60% or more of the Municipal Services, yet have part time elected representatives who show up every couple of week for a couple of hours and Hundreds of Millions of Dollars in decisions are rubber stamped that the Staff People make for them.

You go to a City or Town Hall meeting and you see them packed with people payinig attention and dealing with local issues. But with Region nobody is paying any attention.

There are no elected leader and everyone passes the buck to the majority vote and they all take turns voting as the majority.

Any decisions that adversly effect one town or city under the region will get 100% votes against it from the effected town or city, but still the decisions are made because the majority is always the sum of the other Cities and Towns that are not beinig affected.

It's a freeking sham and scam with every decision and the lot are manipulated and controled by the non-elected adminisrators who basically act like bullies and thugs to control everyone elected.

The Administrators are the ones pocketing million of dollars from ever council decision and each of them retires a milti-millionare after starting off as Sanitation Engineers and waiting for year for their turn at the trough to pig out on the public's money and then retire.

The Nine Region Organizations of Ontario have mostly Irish Canadians at the top level Administration from CAO's, Commissioners and other so called hired excecutives. This info is available from the Salaries Disclosure site.

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There are Nine individuals in each of the similar non-elected posts, such as Business Services, Regional Solicitor, Public Work, CAO.., etc.

These nine each work together in various organizations related to their departments on activities relevant to them.

They move about from Region to Region from time to time as the winds for change blow at them over things that happen locally, but none of them actually ever leave for any reason.

Ireland has become a mecca for Ontario senior bureaucrats who have millions invested in property and assets located in Ireland, such as golf courses, resorts and other property.

Many of the contractors doing public business with Regions are Anglo/Irish names when in the private sector in the same fields of activities they are not able to compete with other ethnic groups in such things as construction and other similar public works which are in the hands of other ethnic groups everywhere else outside of Region procurement.

These senior administrators have public paycheques that do not support their actual lifestyles. Though they have modest homes as their principle residence of record, they have amased personal family fortunes, such as multi-million dollar cottages, foreign vacation properties, and live larger than private citizens making the same level of annual pay as what is declared as annual salary disclosure.

These individuals are dolling out hundreds of millions each annually in procurement contracts with private corporations and without open tenders, Auditor Generals, or even a group of elected representatives that can be identified as being in control.

The ways these activities are managed is by Recommendations and Professional Reports that push Council Decisions which are ALWAYS accepted when it deals with large business activity and lucrative amounts.

Though the councile menbers may take a look as the silly things life weed control, they do not question anything of significants and ALWAYS accept business decisions RECCOMENDED by this small group of individuals who work together as a networked team with their compatriates in the other Nine Regional Business Organizations.