WARD 10 Toronto (York Centre, moreless)
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Never met the fellow but if he's been there more than one term and has not been screaming bloody murder, elect someone new who is not part of the problem.
The problems with municipal councils is that only one or two new people get in and the rest are part of the ratpack that's been there for years. By the time another election the new people are brought into the fold. If not, they will become unelectable by the time the next election rolls a round.
What I would like to see happen is for a clear majority to be all new people from outside of the system. This way there may be enough public force to make the vast changes necessary, like clearing out most of the upper clansmen from the old Metro days that are running the place to the ground.
The problems with municipal councils is that only one or two new people get in and the rest are part of the ratpack that's been there for years. By the time another election the new people are brought into the fold. If not, they will become unelectable by the time the next election rolls a round.
What I would like to see happen is for a clear majority to be all new people from outside of the system. This way there may be enough public force to make the vast changes necessary, like clearing out most of the upper clansmen from the old Metro days that are running the place to the ground.
He's not much of a problem. I believe he is retiring. Just want to see how many people we have from my ward. Not that I have a revolution of sorts planned out or something. lol
If I was living back in Toronto I would vote for yah, but because I am on the West Coast I will just say good luck.
Jersay said:
lol you can always send me a large cash donation in a brown paper back... please unmarked bills. J/k
Re: RE: WARD 10 Toronto (York Centre, moreless)
you should know me by now. I represent my ward and will poll them on the issues and vote that way. I have NDPers, Conservatives and Liberals working on my campaign, and we are all coming at this from the same angle. Screw "politics" we want to get something done good for Toronto and ward 10. I not going sit with the "progressives" or "conservatives" or "rat pack"
I'm actually trying to find more people in or even around the ward 10 area to help, not only the campaign in november/oct, but to form policy to help poll and to just help me with my own idea's. I think too many politicians are just arrogant and think they know best. Well thats the wrong way to do things. I hope people agree with me enough to vote for me.
iamcanadian said:
you should know me by now. I represent my ward and will poll them on the issues and vote that way. I have NDPers, Conservatives and Liberals working on my campaign, and we are all coming at this from the same angle. Screw "politics" we want to get something done good for Toronto and ward 10. I not going sit with the "progressives" or "conservatives" or "rat pack"
I'm actually trying to find more people in or even around the ward 10 area to help, not only the campaign in november/oct, but to form policy to help poll and to just help me with my own idea's. I think too many politicians are just arrogant and think they know best. Well thats the wrong way to do things. I hope people agree with me enough to vote for me.
So what are your policies about.
You don't have to give me detail but just explain what a councillor in a town or city campaigns about.
In your policies, does it have anything to do with crime and drugs and how much taxes people have to pay to cities??
You don't have to give me detail but just explain what a councillor in a town or city campaigns about.
In your policies, does it have anything to do with crime and drugs and how much taxes people have to pay to cities??
Finder,
You are going to need a good set of personal assistants. I don't know what the allowance is now but its not enough to get competent people.
Each council meeting you are going to vote on One Billion dollars in expenditures. You will get 24 inches of self-serving briefs dropped on your lap and given two weeks to read and try to understand everything.
The stuff that the staff will let you decide on may account for 1% of ehat goes on and the rest you will be lucky to understand the headlines and boxed text in the staff reports which is all they want you to read.
You are going to need a good set of personal assistants. I don't know what the allowance is now but its not enough to get competent people.
Each council meeting you are going to vote on One Billion dollars in expenditures. You will get 24 inches of self-serving briefs dropped on your lap and given two weeks to read and try to understand everything.
The stuff that the staff will let you decide on may account for 1% of ehat goes on and the rest you will be lucky to understand the headlines and boxed text in the staff reports which is all they want you to read.
I can't answer all of your question for two reason's.
a. I've not done enough polling yet, and I've yet to hold my first policy meeting.
b. I'm at work and don't have enough time to write for more then a few minutes at a time. (One of the reason I have many typos)
BUT, I promise you something in the next few days.
Lucky for me I have three people who suite that bill and are willing to help. Basically so far I am only using party outsiders. Basically if they belong to a party they basically have nothing to do with the working or policy of that party.
One of the People I've actually asked is a Canadian Citizen living in Taiwan who is a teacher who is willing to come back to help.
Anyhow as I stated, I will have something for you shortly.
a. I've not done enough polling yet, and I've yet to hold my first policy meeting.
b. I'm at work and don't have enough time to write for more then a few minutes at a time. (One of the reason I have many typos)
BUT, I promise you something in the next few days.
Lucky for me I have three people who suite that bill and are willing to help. Basically so far I am only using party outsiders. Basically if they belong to a party they basically have nothing to do with the working or policy of that party.
One of the People I've actually asked is a Canadian Citizen living in Taiwan who is a teacher who is willing to come back to help.
Anyhow as I stated, I will have something for you shortly.
Jersay said:
This is something I have been trying to figure out for awhile.
Each Councillor is just one vote. They are not organized as a party and get united in any one way of thinking.
So regardless what one says they want done they are really quite powerless to do anything. All that ever gets done is exactly what the Chief Officers decide to put in for the council to vote on. Everything is pretty much decided before the Council sees anything. Toronto Council most specifically has no say in anything. If they did not have any elected council things would be just about the same.
They basically put on a show for the public and that's about the extent of their job function while the chief staff make all the decisions by making recommendations the council cannot refuse.
Role of the City Council
You say that the Counsillors have no power in respect of the City.
Why, then, do we elect them? I would assert that they do in fact have power; in Surrey at least, the Council creates and adopts or rejects by-laws, as permitted by the Local Government Act. The Council is comprised of the elected Mayor, and the eight Members of Council; they govern the city, except where the Province or the Government of Canada may have jurisdiction, and they do so in many cases through the City Manager.
I would say, then, that they certainly do have power, municipally. Whether or not they organize into parties is not particularly relevent when determining how effective a Council may be; with such a small membership, parties are not a necessity.
You say that the Counsillors have no power in respect of the City.
Why, then, do we elect them? I would assert that they do in fact have power; in Surrey at least, the Council creates and adopts or rejects by-laws, as permitted by the Local Government Act. The Council is comprised of the elected Mayor, and the eight Members of Council; they govern the city, except where the Province or the Government of Canada may have jurisdiction, and they do so in many cases through the City Manager.
I would say, then, that they certainly do have power, municipally. Whether or not they organize into parties is not particularly relevent when determining how effective a Council may be; with such a small membership, parties are not a necessity.
The NDP awhile ago tried to orginize at this level but completely failed, since NDPers who were nominated with the banner sometimes fought NDPers who wern't nominated, and then it also fell apart at while voting. Because really at this lelve it's not all about party diciplan. It's about serving the people in your ward, not the party line. So NDPers often voted against each other. So since the 90's the NDP given up and they actually do much better as indies. besides they do have lose voting orginizations.
They legally have the power but they will not dare use it our of fear of the City Managers and those under them that are not elected and have life long inherited administrative and controlling public jobs that cannot be lost.
Councillors are simple people working for nominal wages (but more than any of them could earn in the private sector) and they are expected to tell the public professionals that earn three, four and five times what Councillors get; what to do, how to do it, and to scrutinize, know and understand what the senior public employee professionals are doing with the Billions of dollars they place in their hands under the staff recommendations.
Tbe power in their hands looks good in theory, but in practice there is no semblance to the theory. Instead, public professionals do as they please and have councillors wrapped around their little finger and can put Councillors in the street with the flick of their fingers.
Councillors are simple people working for nominal wages (but more than any of them could earn in the private sector) and they are expected to tell the public professionals that earn three, four and five times what Councillors get; what to do, how to do it, and to scrutinize, know and understand what the senior public employee professionals are doing with the Billions of dollars they place in their hands under the staff recommendations.
Tbe power in their hands looks good in theory, but in practice there is no semblance to the theory. Instead, public professionals do as they please and have councillors wrapped around their little finger and can put Councillors in the street with the flick of their fingers.
I don't know. City council in Toronto doesn't have any problems of being scared. Even when Mike HArris forced Toronto into the Mega city, Toronto still held a ref and voted against it and the city council fought against it to the bitter end. If they were scared they would never have fought so hard.
As I have said many times. Our worst governments in Canada have been run by enlightend people by the most part. Our system is set up to be run by a dictator and there's little we could truly do against it. But I can only think of one person who has actted this way.
Duplessie, is the only one really.
Now there have been Dragonian figurers but even they arn't that bad really. Some of which I would name would Be Mike Harris for his Dragonian actions against Toronto, and Klien for his unwillingness to listen to a large minority in Alberta against his government.
As I have said many times. Our worst governments in Canada have been run by enlightend people by the most part. Our system is set up to be run by a dictator and there's little we could truly do against it. But I can only think of one person who has actted this way.
Duplessie, is the only one really.
Now there have been Dragonian figurers but even they arn't that bad really. Some of which I would name would Be Mike Harris for his Dragonian actions against Toronto, and Klien for his unwillingness to listen to a large minority in Alberta against his government.
This might be something of interest for Toronto also:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazet....html?id=57ed1da9-039a-4071-a1f6-a071fb1ee7f0
With your views about ALL politicians not being terrified of the GTA Regional Overloards, you have obvioulsy not gotten involved with them yet. Watch you back if you get elected for anything in the GTA.
Why do you think the province went against the results of all the referendums and all of the unanimous votes against amalgamation?
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazet....html?id=57ed1da9-039a-4071-a1f6-a071fb1ee7f0
With your views about ALL politicians not being terrified of the GTA Regional Overloards, you have obvioulsy not gotten involved with them yet. Watch you back if you get elected for anything in the GTA.
Why do you think the province went against the results of all the referendums and all of the unanimous votes against amalgamation?