Clever Clogs
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Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA (for now...)
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA (for now...)
December 20th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Buh?!
Buh?!
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French has been around in Canada ever since there were French-speakers IN Canada - in other words, since the beginning.
MOST of Canada has nothing to do with the French language until it was imposed.
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Uh, dude, the word you meant is A-R-Y-A-N, and no, the Québécois and their concerns are not even remotely related to the philosophy of Hitler's Third Reich. Minus ten points for misspelling "Aryan", and minus thirty for this being just a dumbass argument to begin with. Hell, for that matter, you just lost the entire debate, at least according to Godwin's Law
The German reference is to Arean concepts of the Nazi's, which identifies the racist agenda of the French Canadians trying to keep other cultures from influencing and changing the French Canadian Culture.
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Try that again in English?
The agenda is anti-racist to the French Canadian racist agenda.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 20th, 2005, 01:33 PM
If YOU don't want to talk about it, that's fine, then don't post in this thread.
There is little difference trying to preserve a language or culture from being diluted by isolating it from other languages or cultures; than doing the same over the colour of peoples skin.
I believe doing it over the colour of skin is less socialy damaging than doing it over a culture or a practice or a language.
If YOU don't want to talk about it, that's fine, then don't post in this thread.
There is little difference trying to preserve a language or culture from being diluted by isolating it from other languages or cultures; than doing the same over the colour of peoples skin.
I believe doing it over the colour of skin is less socialy damaging than doing it over a culture or a practice or a language.
Clever Clogs
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Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA (for now...)
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA (for now...)
December 20th, 2005, 01:39 PM
By the way, the whole Aryan thing was not about skin color. It was about a whole host of things, with skin color included in the mix.
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Sorry, Bud. This is an open forum for anyone who's a member of Canadian Content. You don't get to decide who will respond to your posts and who won't. Don't like it when someone points out your errors to you? Then maybe this isn't the right environment for you.
If YOU don't want to talk about it, that's fine, then don't post in this thread.
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Not only is there a HUGE difference, but you've completely veered off into the realms of the paranoid with your comments of late. We all know you don't like the idea of French-language schools, so what have you got to say that's new?
There is little difference trying to preserve a language or culture from being diluted by isolating it from other languages or cultures; than doing the same over the colour of peoples skin.
By the way, the whole Aryan thing was not about skin color. It was about a whole host of things, with skin color included in the mix.
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EXCUSE me???
I believe doing it over the colour of skin is less socialy damaging than doing it over a culture or a practice or a language.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 20th, 2005, 01:49 PM
You're excused...
People cannot do anything about the colour of skin. People's culture, practices and languages however can be regulated and changed by law.
So man can enforce say Islamic culture for something else the public might prefer if left on their own.
Same thing happened with the French Canadian Culture being protected and advanced by government at the expense of all.
You're excused...
People cannot do anything about the colour of skin. People's culture, practices and languages however can be regulated and changed by law.
So man can enforce say Islamic culture for something else the public might prefer if left on their own.
Same thing happened with the French Canadian Culture being protected and advanced by government at the expense of all.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 574
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA (for now...)
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA (for now...)
December 20th, 2005, 01:52 PM
IAC,
Fact #1: Parents have choices in where to educate their children. Fact #2: Schools are paid for by everyone.
Which of these two things would you prefer to eliminate - public funding FOR education, or parental choice IN education?
IAC,
Fact #1: Parents have choices in where to educate their children. Fact #2: Schools are paid for by everyone.
Which of these two things would you prefer to eliminate - public funding FOR education, or parental choice IN education?
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 20th, 2005, 03:23 PM
My problem is:
Public Funding for Private Education for French Speaking Canadian Families living everywhere in the Province of Ontario where they are a very very very small number.
A School Board covering the land mass of Belgium in Ontario with 30 schools in it for less than 9000 kids of French Canadian Families is a prime example of one Board that should be removed.
A school board so small that no one even runs for their elected board possitions. Its basically a completly private organization fully funded by the taxpayers with senior posts handed out by patronage possitions out of nepotism and connections.
It excludes participation by non-french Canadians because everything it does is in the french language; they do not just deliver education in the French language.
My problem is:
Public Funding for Private Education for French Speaking Canadian Families living everywhere in the Province of Ontario where they are a very very very small number.
A School Board covering the land mass of Belgium in Ontario with 30 schools in it for less than 9000 kids of French Canadian Families is a prime example of one Board that should be removed.
A school board so small that no one even runs for their elected board possitions. Its basically a completly private organization fully funded by the taxpayers with senior posts handed out by patronage possitions out of nepotism and connections.
It excludes participation by non-french Canadians because everything it does is in the french language; they do not just deliver education in the French language.
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December 20th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Sorry "iamcanadian" With your post about trusties being appointed instead of elected in some french boards but in a town of 9000 people called Kapuskasing 66 percent of the population is french speaking and the English population often has to appoint there school boards because there are not enough english people to keep there schools open. Then I guess Kapuskasing should just have french schools then since there population is mainly french anyway then.
Sorry "iamcanadian" With your post about trusties being appointed instead of elected in some french boards but in a town of 9000 people called Kapuskasing 66 percent of the population is french speaking and the English population often has to appoint there school boards because there are not enough english people to keep there schools open. Then I guess Kapuskasing should just have french schools then since there population is mainly french anyway then.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 20th, 2005, 04:37 PM
Why not?
In selected areas north of the French River and the Ottawa Valley where 90% of Francaphone Ontario lives there would not be a problem because the numbers warrant it. A small french school board operating here and there is not a major issue and it simply substitutes one service for another. They can have English emmersion classes there if they want.
It's the covering of the whole province with Boards without any justification in numbers is the problem.
Why not?
In selected areas north of the French River and the Ottawa Valley where 90% of Francaphone Ontario lives there would not be a problem because the numbers warrant it. A small french school board operating here and there is not a major issue and it simply substitutes one service for another. They can have English emmersion classes there if they want.
It's the covering of the whole province with Boards without any justification in numbers is the problem.
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Location: Sault Ste. Marie
Location: Sault Ste. Marie
January 2nd, 2006, 01:36 AM
What I wuldn't give to be able to speak french. As a child I was taken out of the french classes that were given to recieve help with my other classes because I had a learning disability, and have regretted it for a long time. I love traveling and would love to be able to work in Quebec but my french is non-existant. And the type of work I'd like to do (CO, or wildlife parks so something like that) and I'd like to do tht in northern Quebec, but untill I become at least functionable in french that's not possible.
I was very happy that my uncle and aunt plan on putting my cousin into french immersion (there are no french schools there). I think being able to speak another language is becomming more and more important and the world becomes more interconnected.
What I wuldn't give to be able to speak french. As a child I was taken out of the french classes that were given to recieve help with my other classes because I had a learning disability, and have regretted it for a long time. I love traveling and would love to be able to work in Quebec but my french is non-existant. And the type of work I'd like to do (CO, or wildlife parks so something like that) and I'd like to do tht in northern Quebec, but untill I become at least functionable in french that's not possible.
I was very happy that my uncle and aunt plan on putting my cousin into french immersion (there are no french schools there). I think being able to speak another language is becomming more and more important and the world becomes more interconnected.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
January 2nd, 2006, 07:44 AM
The point here concerns institutional segregation to keep non-french speaking citizens out of their separate school system.
One of their mottos to attract children to their schools is that they keep them out of the mixed "cultural" public school systems. (only they say it in French so most non-french speaking people won't get the point).
It is not about learning a second language, its about taking their kids out of the public school system where all races are mixed together.
These are separatist school boards. They are not designed to serve all members of the Canadian public in practice.
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Most people in Canada speak more than one language. But its is more often English and something other than French.
I think being able to speak another language is becomming more and more important and the world becomes more interconnected.
The point here concerns institutional segregation to keep non-french speaking citizens out of their separate school system.
One of their mottos to attract children to their schools is that they keep them out of the mixed "cultural" public school systems. (only they say it in French so most non-french speaking people won't get the point).
It is not about learning a second language, its about taking their kids out of the public school system where all races are mixed together.
These are separatist school boards. They are not designed to serve all members of the Canadian public in practice.
