Super Genius
Posts: 1,320 
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
October 25th, 2005, 03:22 PM
I'd better tell my native friends that they're "overwhelmingly involved in crime." Hey, maybe Hank can come and visit and tell them himself. I can just imagine that conversation.
Hank: You are a native and therefore overwhelmingly involved in crime.
Brian: Oh, sorry...didn't mean to permanently disable you.
Blair: Did you need a ride to the hospital, Hank? You can check out our short waiting times.
I'd better tell my native friends that they're "overwhelmingly involved in crime." Hey, maybe Hank can come and visit and tell them himself. I can just imagine that conversation.
Hank: You are a native and therefore overwhelmingly involved in crime.
Brian: Oh, sorry...didn't mean to permanently disable you.
Blair: Did you need a ride to the hospital, Hank? You can check out our short waiting times.
Steven Hawking's Hero
Posts: 6,891
October 25th, 2005, 03:31 PM
( Hanky's words and prejudice is very disturbing. But given the fact he is FROM the US....... that might explain things. Maybe he just transfered his prejudice from whatever/whoever color in the US to the First Nations of Canada. ( seems the US killed off THEIR "First nations" ....... so they had to substitute)
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good one juan. !!! Getting back towards the topic... 
When I lived up north, my mom put a pan of hot water outside on the front step, and it froze so quick, the ice was still warm
When I lived up north, my mom put a pan of hot water outside on the front step, and it froze so quick, the ice was still warm
( Hanky's words and prejudice is very disturbing. But given the fact he is FROM the US....... that might explain things. Maybe he just transfered his prejudice from whatever/whoever color in the US to the First Nations of Canada. ( seems the US killed off THEIR "First nations" ....... so they had to substitute)
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,876
Location: Seattle
Location: Seattle
October 26th, 2005, 02:34 AM
Hank ...you know not what you talk of. When I was a lad delivering pizza in the North End of Wpg.( That also included the airport area.) The North End has always had a large aboriginal population base. Its a rough area, I won't deny that. But your wrong about your perception.
One night at about 2:30 in the morning...our restaurant being the last business open on Selkirk Ave. Four guys came into the restaurant. Three native and one white. The white guy had obviously had the crap kicked out of him. Two of the natives were supporting him, the other opened the door so they could get inside. They asked if we would call 911.
They related they found this guy on the sidewalk. They carried him to a phone so that he could get help. The white guy said that he had been jumped by two white guys and robbed.
Hank, it is your narrow perception of the world that prevents you from really seeing. You may be well travelled, but you're not observant.
Hank ...you know not what you talk of. When I was a lad delivering pizza in the North End of Wpg.( That also included the airport area.) The North End has always had a large aboriginal population base. Its a rough area, I won't deny that. But your wrong about your perception.
One night at about 2:30 in the morning...our restaurant being the last business open on Selkirk Ave. Four guys came into the restaurant. Three native and one white. The white guy had obviously had the crap kicked out of him. Two of the natives were supporting him, the other opened the door so they could get inside. They asked if we would call 911.
They related they found this guy on the sidewalk. They carried him to a phone so that he could get help. The white guy said that he had been jumped by two white guys and robbed.
Hank, it is your narrow perception of the world that prevents you from really seeing. You may be well travelled, but you're not observant.
Bright Spark
Posts: 403
Location: Calgary, Alberta.
Location: Calgary, Alberta.
October 26th, 2005, 02:47 AM
your taking it like everyone else and attacking me....I said before that there is an underlying reason for native crime and it has to do with poverty....
There are many fine native people out there that are trying to get ahead and work.....and from your experience it just proves there are many good aborigional people.
...if you read all my statements I was talking about the native part of the city usually being unsafe as is the case in Winnipeg and Edmonton....I have been there and observed many things and there are always nice people....but you can't over look the fact that the native part of town is usually the worst area for crime and homicides..... thats all I was trying to say....
Rev was trying to prove that winnipeg was not one of the most dangerous cities in Canada....which it obviously is...
your taking it like everyone else and attacking me....I said before that there is an underlying reason for native crime and it has to do with poverty....
There are many fine native people out there that are trying to get ahead and work.....and from your experience it just proves there are many good aborigional people.
...if you read all my statements I was talking about the native part of the city usually being unsafe as is the case in Winnipeg and Edmonton....I have been there and observed many things and there are always nice people....but you can't over look the fact that the native part of town is usually the worst area for crime and homicides..... thats all I was trying to say....
Rev was trying to prove that winnipeg was not one of the most dangerous cities in Canada....which it obviously is...
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,876
Location: Seattle
Location: Seattle
October 26th, 2005, 03:47 AM
Another problem is a cultural difference. For instance...there is a river, a tribe or individual will make a canoe. One person will take the canoe across the river.They leave the canoe there and go off and do what they have to do. Someone else comes along ..takes the canoe back across to the other side of the river. They go off and do what they have to do. Someone else comes along and takes the canoe back across the river and sees the the first person waiting to cross the river. While he is waiting he is fashioning another canoe. It is a matter of community use. This has been going on for centuries.
Now take this cultural difference and apply it to an automobile. You have natives coming off the reserve and into cities. Your coming from a place where an accepted societal norm is suddenly a crime. That is going to skew your stats a bit. Of course you will have higher crime rate stats for aboriginals.
Your attitude is exactly what causes problems. The absolute unwillingness to look at what causes a problem in society. You have to look at other ways of viewing people...rather than labelling them one way or the other. You've got part of it ....poverty, but that is not indicitive of any particular race.
As for Winnipeg being unsafe...Pfffft.That doesn't jibe with any crime stats I've read.
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This is what you said. They are no more involve in crime than any other race. I agree poverty is the driving issue in crime. that's not racial either poverty can affect all races.
....geez I know its not a popular subject but if you can't admit that aborigional people overwhelmingly are involved in crimes ...well then there is no point in discussing the issue because you will just ignore the facts.
Another problem is a cultural difference. For instance...there is a river, a tribe or individual will make a canoe. One person will take the canoe across the river.They leave the canoe there and go off and do what they have to do. Someone else comes along ..takes the canoe back across to the other side of the river. They go off and do what they have to do. Someone else comes along and takes the canoe back across the river and sees the the first person waiting to cross the river. While he is waiting he is fashioning another canoe. It is a matter of community use. This has been going on for centuries.
Now take this cultural difference and apply it to an automobile. You have natives coming off the reserve and into cities. Your coming from a place where an accepted societal norm is suddenly a crime. That is going to skew your stats a bit. Of course you will have higher crime rate stats for aboriginals.
Your attitude is exactly what causes problems. The absolute unwillingness to look at what causes a problem in society. You have to look at other ways of viewing people...rather than labelling them one way or the other. You've got part of it ....poverty, but that is not indicitive of any particular race.
As for Winnipeg being unsafe...Pfffft.That doesn't jibe with any crime stats I've read.
Executive Member
Posts: 9,534 
October 26th, 2005, 08:01 AM
I spent two and a half years in Winnipeg. I lived out in Charleswood near the ring road. Ioved the city and I loved the people. I wasn't that happy with the weather. If we moved Winnipeg to central Vancouver Island it would be just about perfect.
I spent two and a half years in Winnipeg. I lived out in Charleswood near the ring road. Ioved the city and I loved the people. I wasn't that happy with the weather. If we moved Winnipeg to central Vancouver Island it would be just about perfect.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
October 26th, 2005, 08:45 AM
I used to live out in Charleswood too. My wife grew up Fort Richmond. It's funny...after we moved to Transcona, people started bitching about how far we are from everything. We're closer to downtown than Charleswood and Fort Richmond. For that matter, we're closer to downtown than most of St. Vital.
I used to live out in Charleswood too. My wife grew up Fort Richmond. It's funny...after we moved to Transcona, people started bitching about how far we are from everything. We're closer to downtown than Charleswood and Fort Richmond. For that matter, we're closer to downtown than most of St. Vital.
Bright Spark
Posts: 271
Location: Fruita, CO, Aztlan
Location: Fruita, CO, Aztlan
October 26th, 2005, 10:30 AM
I used to live in a high valley in the Colorado mountains. Had a localized nightly cold air inversion. Would go down to 40 below F at night and go up 40 degrees during the day. Was always pleasant and sunny. Had a very dry climate. I now live in the desert about 150 miles away. Gets into the triple digits in the summer, but still not bad because it's dry. Humidity makes a lot of difference. When I lived near the great lakes, 20 degrees seemed like zero in the west. 80 degrees in Florida seem like 100.
I used to live in a high valley in the Colorado mountains. Had a localized nightly cold air inversion. Would go down to 40 below F at night and go up 40 degrees during the day. Was always pleasant and sunny. Had a very dry climate. I now live in the desert about 150 miles away. Gets into the triple digits in the summer, but still not bad because it's dry. Humidity makes a lot of difference. When I lived near the great lakes, 20 degrees seemed like zero in the west. 80 degrees in Florida seem like 100.
Durgan
Posts: 248
Location: Brantford, ON
Location: Brantford, ON
October 30th, 2005, 06:50 AM
Durgan.
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Hey,Where I lived Northern Saskatchewan, we used to consider Saskatoon the deep south. When taking a piss outside we had to run backwards to keep away from the icicle forming. Sometimes one would have to help the girls to stand up, when they got stuck. Now that is cold. Getting back towards the topic...
When I lived up north, my mom put a pan of hot water outside on the front step, and it froze so quick, the ice was still warm
When I lived up north, my mom put a pan of hot water outside on the front step, and it froze so quick, the ice was still warm
Durgan.
My favorite aunt lives there 
Isn't there a big paved garbage pile that the kids use as a sledding hill in the winter there?
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
November 24th, 2005, 03:08 AM
It's a park, not paved, although there are sidewalks through it. That's way the other side of Transcona...in fact it might be in Kildonan. At any rate, it's by all the autowreckers.
I'm on the other side, by the malting plant that makes important ingredients for beer.
It's a park, not paved, although there are sidewalks through it. That's way the other side of Transcona...in fact it might be in Kildonan. At any rate, it's by all the autowreckers.
I'm on the other side, by the malting plant that makes important ingredients for beer.
Time Out
Posts: 4,194
Location: Vancouver
Location: Vancouver
November 24th, 2005, 06:44 AM
I remember living in Charleswood and the only good thing about it was I was across the street from the pub and a quick jaunt to Assiniboia Downs. Then I moved down by the U of M on the Pembina highway, it was a bit better as liquor mart across street, pub next door and fishing 100 yards away. Next to Vancouver and even with the cold and wind in the winter, Winnipeg was my next favourite place to live. I really enjoyed my couple years there. I hated Calgary and Fort St. John, but Kamloops was pretty good. Basically lived in Kamloops on and off since the very early 70's.
I remember living in Charleswood and the only good thing about it was I was across the street from the pub and a quick jaunt to Assiniboia Downs.
Then I moved down by the U of M on the Pembina highway, it was a bit better as liquor mart across street, pub next door and fishing 100 yards away. Next to Vancouver and even with the cold and wind in the winter, Winnipeg was my next favourite place to live. I really enjoyed my couple years there. I hated Calgary and Fort St. John, but Kamloops was pretty good. Basically lived in Kamloops on and off since the very early 70's.
Member
Posts: 71
Location: Kingston, Ontario
Location: Kingston, Ontario
November 24th, 2005, 06:58 AM
Well.....here it is, snow is shutting down southern Ontario and it is just below 0C for the day (Monday and Tuesday next week has temperatures of +8c and +13c predicted).
This morning, Toronto is just teaming with accidents, sure glad that I do not have to put up with that (traffic situation) everyday.
I spent 6 years in Cold Lake Alberta and a few weeks straight of -40c was not uncommon. But if you live out West and talk to someone from....say...Ontario....out West has a dry cold while Ontario is a damp cold. I still say -40c is still -40c no matter where you live
Well.....here it is, snow is shutting down southern Ontario and it is just below 0C for the day (Monday and Tuesday next week has temperatures of +8c and +13c predicted).
This morning, Toronto is just teaming with accidents, sure glad that I do not have to put up with that (traffic situation) everyday.
I spent 6 years in Cold Lake Alberta and a few weeks straight of -40c was not uncommon. But if you live out West and talk to someone from....say...Ontario....out West has a dry cold while Ontario is a damp cold. I still say -40c is still -40c no matter where you live
Newbie
Posts: 11
April 18th, 2006, 12:42 AM
Yeh sure there are native gangs but there are also white gangs like the biker gangs all across canada, chinese and vietlamese, and all sorts of gangs. It isn't just native gangs, causing crime. Plus lets look at who is running this country, a bunch of momma tit, sucking white boys, and if they ain't tit sucking they are so called catholic priest that so called straight and or celabit, LOL, while molesting little native boys in the residential schools, which by the way was so called a promise from the whiteman to educate our people in the european manner and schooling system. Until one day some white woman asked her husband why are we educating that savage, wont they be just as equal as a whitemen then? So then the man though about this and said hey your right. We will only educated the savage till grade 6 then send him back to the reserve, but oh no then he will marry a savage indian woman and all our work is gone, the boy will go back to his savage ways. So alas they opened a all girls residential school for indian girls only. LOL to much, anyhoooo... back to the moomma titi suckin whitmen in parliment.....I say with people that we have as leaders ... How else did you picture society?
RainbowChild
Yeh sure there are native gangs but there are also white gangs like the biker gangs all across canada, chinese and vietlamese, and all sorts of gangs. It isn't just native gangs, causing crime. Plus lets look at who is running this country, a bunch of momma tit, sucking white boys, and if they ain't tit sucking they are so called catholic priest that so called straight and or celabit, LOL, while molesting little native boys in the residential schools, which by the way was so called a promise from the whiteman to educate our people in the european manner and schooling system. Until one day some white woman asked her husband why are we educating that savage, wont they be just as equal as a whitemen then? So then the man though about this and said hey your right. We will only educated the savage till grade 6 then send him back to the reserve, but oh no then he will marry a savage indian woman and all our work is gone, the boy will go back to his savage ways. So alas they opened a all girls residential school for indian girls only. LOL to much, anyhoooo... back to the moomma titi suckin whitmen in parliment.....I say with people that we have as leaders ... How else did you picture society?
RainbowChild
