Member
Posts: 108 
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
May 1st, 2005, 10:03 PM
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Leave it to our politicians - salt in the wound. Oh well Quoting
The didn't just sell it! They sold it to a foreign multi national corp. The money made doesn't improve our roads, it doesn't even stay here.
Ontario had a money maker in Hwy 407 or which ever highway is a toll. The govt was allowed to sell it for a short term, look good, aren't we wonderful scenario with absoluytely no consequences. Just think of the dollars it could be raking in!!
Super Genius
Posts: 1,458
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
May 1st, 2005, 10:20 PM
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I'm glad they sold it. The government has no business being in business. They are utterly incompetent at all that they do. I do think that either we negotiated a very bad deal, or someone's palms got greased.
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The didn't just sell it! They sold it to a foreign multi national corp. The money made doesn't improve our roads, it doesn't even stay here.
Ontario had a money maker in Hwy 407 or which ever highway is a toll. The govt was allowed to sell it for a short term, look good, aren't we wonderful scenario with absoluytely no consequences. Just think of the dollars it could be raking in!!
Member
Posts: 108
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
May 2nd, 2005, 10:53 PM
MMMike just think of all the money they are losing. All they had to do was raise the fares and be stupid (no problem there) like the current owners. At least there would have been some money coming in.
And, how can you say they are incompetent???? I mean look at the LCBO - which the idiots want to sell.
MMMike just think of all the money they are losing. All they had to do was raise the fares and be stupid (no problem there) like the current owners. At least there would have been some money coming in.
And, how can you say they are incompetent???? I mean look at the LCBO - which the idiots want to sell.
Running out of ranks
Posts: 8,366 
May 12th, 2005, 09:07 AM
I'm confused...are you suggesting the government itself should have made 407 a toll road?
And why shouldn't the government sell the LCBO?
Before Mike Harris told them he was going to privatize them they weren’t even making a profit, from what I understand. Now (because they are scared of being privatized) they make a profit.
The problem is, as it is always, the government can't even sell booze to people and make a profit.
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MMMike just think of all the money they are losing. All they had to do was raise the fares and be stupid (no problem there) like the current owners. At least there would have been some money coming in.
And, how can you say they are incompetent???? I mean look at the LCBO - which the idiots want to sell.
And, how can you say they are incompetent???? I mean look at the LCBO - which the idiots want to sell.
I'm confused...are you suggesting the government itself should have made 407 a toll road?
And why shouldn't the government sell the LCBO?
Before Mike Harris told them he was going to privatize them they weren’t even making a profit, from what I understand. Now (because they are scared of being privatized) they make a profit.
The problem is, as it is always, the government can't even sell booze to people and make a profit.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,320
Location: Winnipeg
Location: Winnipeg
May 12th, 2005, 10:07 AM
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Government-run liquor stores are profitable just about everywhere, Jay. If they couldn't turn a profit under Harris, that likely says more about Harris the the liquor stores.
The problem is, as it is always, the government can't even sell booze to people and make a profit.
Running out of ranks
Posts: 8,366
May 13th, 2005, 12:01 PM
No Rev, it doesn't. Harris wasn't even in power yet. It was shortly after he came to power this rhetoric came to be.
The problem is they over pay booze mongers. I think it is a reflection of greedy unions, not Harris.
I haven't heard a single good reason why the government should be the only ones in Ontario that can sell you a bottle of whisky.
No Rev, it doesn't. Harris wasn't even in power yet. It was shortly after he came to power this rhetoric came to be.
The problem is they over pay booze mongers. I think it is a reflection of greedy unions, not Harris.
I haven't heard a single good reason why the government should be the only ones in Ontario that can sell you a bottle of whisky.
Durgan
Posts: 248
Location: Brantford, ON
Location: Brantford, ON
December 15th, 2005, 09:06 AM
Toronto has to be the most incompetently run city in Canada. The feather-bedded civil service is bloated beyond description. After almagamation all the burg's civil service was incorporated with very little centralization. More people doing the same job.
The Police Commission is a disaster, run by the Police Union.
Gridlock is the norm.
They cannot solve their garbage problem after 15 years of dithering.
A one time budget chief used to keep his money under his Mother-in-Laws mattress. He almost made Mayor.
The City spent 80 million on $10 thousand worth of computers. The original contract was 40 million. Then the city had a public inquiry and spend another 115 million trying to decide why the contract went from 40 milion ot 80 million. Nobody went to jail.
I personally consider anything south of the 401, which runs across the north part of the city, to be another planet.
Toronto the Good, avoid it unless you have to get an education of U of T, which basically is an extension of the University of China.
Durgan.
Toronto has to be the most incompetently run city in Canada. The feather-bedded civil service is bloated beyond description. After almagamation all the burg's civil service was incorporated with very little centralization. More people doing the same job.
The Police Commission is a disaster, run by the Police Union.
Gridlock is the norm.
They cannot solve their garbage problem after 15 years of dithering.
A one time budget chief used to keep his money under his Mother-in-Laws mattress. He almost made Mayor.
The City spent 80 million on $10 thousand worth of computers. The original contract was 40 million. Then the city had a public inquiry and spend another 115 million trying to decide why the contract went from 40 milion ot 80 million. Nobody went to jail.
I personally consider anything south of the 401, which runs across the north part of the city, to be another planet.
Toronto the Good, avoid it unless you have to get an education of U of T, which basically is an extension of the University of China.
Durgan.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 730
December 15th, 2005, 09:16 PM
Now considering the New City of Toronto would have something like a $250 Billion dollar "Market Cap" (using Stock Market analogy for rule of thumb for equivalence tp get at an effective business worth), what does anyone expect with executive directors of no significant competence for managing such increadibly large business activity?
The amalgamation of Toronto was the biggest blunder in Canadian History, and they just threw more gas on that fire by giving them even more autonomy to do as they please with even less oversight and scrunity.
I think the province is trying to distance itself from that mess by giving them more self-direction and control. I thought they tell people to take the keys from drunks at the bar not help them to get a faster car.
Before they gave Toronto more responsibility, you would think they made sure they are able to be responsible first. It been going down hill ever since the amagamation and they blame everything but the amalgamation for it.
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That's nothing the City of Toronto Spends close to One Billion Dollars a month. That's One Thousand Million Dollars. It just got more power to be even more autonymous AND they are not under any Auditor General type Audits OR even any deep auditing at par with what publicly traded corporations like Enron or Worldcom where under.
Toronto has to be the most incompetently run city in Canada. The feather-bedded civil service is bloated beyond description. After almagamation all the burg's civil service was incorporated with very little centralization. More people doing the same job.
The Police Commission is a disaster, run by the Police Union.
Gridlock is the norm.
They cannot solve their garbage problem after 15 years of dithering.
A one time budget chief used to keep his money under his Mother-in-Laws mattress. He almost made Mayor.
The City spent 80 million on $10 thousand worth of computers. The original contract was 40 million. Then the city had a public inquiry and spend another 115 million trying to decide why the contract went from 40 milion ot 80 million. Nobody went to jail.
I personally consider anything south of the 401, which runs across the north part of the city, to be another planet.
Toronto the Good, avoid it unless you have to get an education of U of T, which basically is an extension of the University of China.
Durgan.
The Police Commission is a disaster, run by the Police Union.
Gridlock is the norm.
They cannot solve their garbage problem after 15 years of dithering.
A one time budget chief used to keep his money under his Mother-in-Laws mattress. He almost made Mayor.
The City spent 80 million on $10 thousand worth of computers. The original contract was 40 million. Then the city had a public inquiry and spend another 115 million trying to decide why the contract went from 40 milion ot 80 million. Nobody went to jail.
I personally consider anything south of the 401, which runs across the north part of the city, to be another planet.
Toronto the Good, avoid it unless you have to get an education of U of T, which basically is an extension of the University of China.
Durgan.
Now considering the New City of Toronto would have something like a $250 Billion dollar "Market Cap" (using Stock Market analogy for rule of thumb for equivalence tp get at an effective business worth), what does anyone expect with executive directors of no significant competence for managing such increadibly large business activity?
The amalgamation of Toronto was the biggest blunder in Canadian History, and they just threw more gas on that fire by giving them even more autonomy to do as they please with even less oversight and scrunity.
I think the province is trying to distance itself from that mess by giving them more self-direction and control. I thought they tell people to take the keys from drunks at the bar not help them to get a faster car.
Before they gave Toronto more responsibility, you would think they made sure they are able to be responsible first. It been going down hill ever since the amagamation and they blame everything but the amalgamation for it.
Bright Spark
Posts: 334
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 15th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Not saying these comments arent valid, caused they are quite legitimate but Toronto is rebuilding from a near meltdown. I hope they do get more powers though, if not for these powers simple things would have to go in front of teh provincial legislature which tries to add on nonsense to it and then it fails.
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Now considering the New City of Toronto would have something like a $250 Billion dollar "Market Cap" (using Stock Market analogy for rule of thumb for equivalence tp get at an effective business worth), what does anyone expect with executive directors of no significant competence for managing such increadibly large business activity?
The amalgamation of Toronto was the biggest blunder in Canadian History, and they just threw more gas on that fire by giving them even more autonomy to do as they please with even less oversight and scrunity.
I think the province is trying to distance itself from that mess by giving them more self-direction and control. I thought they tell people to take the keys from drunks at the bar not help them to get a faster car.
Before they gave Toronto more responsibility, you would think they made sure they are able to be responsible first. It been going down hill ever since the amagamation and they blame everything but the amalgamation for it.
one must also consider the devastation done to Toronto via Harris/Eves governemnts, the federal liberals etc who took huge amounts of cash from the city ruining a lot of infrastructure. Toronto is bursting at the seems n terms of transportation because the harris governemnt slashed so much spending in education, road maintenance, subway improvement, cancelled eglinton subway line etc which has ravaged the city. The next 5-10 years Toronto will have to invest heavily in these things to keep it operating at the current level and then more if it wants to think long term. I curse the Harris governement everyday for what ti did to toronto. Quoting
That's nothing the City of Toronto Spends close to One Billion Dollars a month. That's One Thousand Million Dollars. It just got more power to be even more autonymous AND they are not under any Auditor General type Audits OR even any deep auditing at par with what publicly traded corporations like Enron or Worldcom where under.
Toronto has to be the most incompetently run city in Canada. The feather-bedded civil service is bloated beyond description. After almagamation all the burg's civil service was incorporated with very little centralization. More people doing the same job.
The Police Commission is a disaster, run by the Police Union.
Gridlock is the norm.
They cannot solve their garbage problem after 15 years of dithering.
A one time budget chief used to keep his money under his Mother-in-Laws mattress. He almost made Mayor.
The City spent 80 million on $10 thousand worth of computers. The original contract was 40 million. Then the city had a public inquiry and spend another 115 million trying to decide why the contract went from 40 milion ot 80 million. Nobody went to jail.
I personally consider anything south of the 401, which runs across the north part of the city, to be another planet.
Toronto the Good, avoid it unless you have to get an education of U of T, which basically is an extension of the University of China.
Durgan.
The Police Commission is a disaster, run by the Police Union.
Gridlock is the norm.
They cannot solve their garbage problem after 15 years of dithering.
A one time budget chief used to keep his money under his Mother-in-Laws mattress. He almost made Mayor.
The City spent 80 million on $10 thousand worth of computers. The original contract was 40 million. Then the city had a public inquiry and spend another 115 million trying to decide why the contract went from 40 milion ot 80 million. Nobody went to jail.
I personally consider anything south of the 401, which runs across the north part of the city, to be another planet.
Toronto the Good, avoid it unless you have to get an education of U of T, which basically is an extension of the University of China.
Durgan.
Now considering the New City of Toronto would have something like a $250 Billion dollar "Market Cap" (using Stock Market analogy for rule of thumb for equivalence tp get at an effective business worth), what does anyone expect with executive directors of no significant competence for managing such increadibly large business activity?
The amalgamation of Toronto was the biggest blunder in Canadian History, and they just threw more gas on that fire by giving them even more autonomy to do as they please with even less oversight and scrunity.
I think the province is trying to distance itself from that mess by giving them more self-direction and control. I thought they tell people to take the keys from drunks at the bar not help them to get a faster car.
Before they gave Toronto more responsibility, you would think they made sure they are able to be responsible first. It been going down hill ever since the amagamation and they blame everything but the amalgamation for it.
Not saying these comments arent valid, caused they are quite legitimate but Toronto is rebuilding from a near meltdown. I hope they do get more powers though, if not for these powers simple things would have to go in front of teh provincial legislature which tries to add on nonsense to it and then it fails.
