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Man hurls insults at cops in courtroom | Local News | St. Albert Gazette

Failing to play nicely with the law did not land Ahmed Al-Mustapha behind bars, but he does have some personal work to do before he is in the clear.

The 22-year-old Edmonton man was handed a conditional sentence in St. Albert court Monday with one year of probation, which includes anger management assessments, treatments and counselling, after pleading guilty to resisting arrest and causing a disturbance.

The charges stem from Mustapha falling prey to a speed trap in St. Albert on Sept. 5, 2009.

Clocked in at 78 km/h in a 50 km/h zone, the man was signalled to pull over. Crown prosecutor John Donahoe explained in court that after attempting, and failing, to make an impromptu U-turn, Mustapha instead decided to roll down his window and yell at the officer.

He claimed he was not speeding, and refused to hand over his documents.

“Because the driver was failing to follow directions, backup was called,” continued Donahoe. “There’s four more officers involved and he still refused to get out of the vehicle.”

St. Albert RCMP struggled with Mustapha, through the car’s window, having to pepper spray him to bring him under control.

He continued berating the Mounties all the way to cells.

Donahoe jumped to a Nov. 23. 2010 incident, when Mustapha was in the St. Albert courthouse, “in this very courtroom” to fight that $166 speeding ticket, and found himself in the company of his arresting officer.

“Mr. Mustapha started talking loudly,” said Donahoe.

Comments such as “You’re ruining my life” escalated to “You better never take off that uniform” before the irate man was escorted out. He came back in and was arrested and charged for a second time.

Prior to Monday’s guilty pleas, this man had absolutely no criminal record.

“Rarely have I seen a set of circumstances where a person will be this abusive to police,” said Donahoe.

“It is something of a bizarre set of circumstances — my hope is this is the last we’ll see of him here,” said Don MacPherson, defence attorney. “But this isn’t something that will just disappear — he’s going to have to earn it.”

Judge Bruce Garriock agreed, calling the incidents a complete failure to respect the law.

“[The police] have got a difficult enough job without having these sorts of antics shoved into their faces,” he said.
 

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His punishment wasn't suffice to begin with, all he got was pepper sprayed and a ticket! Surely he deserves considerable prison time for this after his 2nd outburst.

Give Ahmed Al-Mustapha the maximum sentence, which I hope is prison time!!!

Such a disrespect for law enforcement deserves no mercy!
 

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Why in the hell didn't he get more than what he got? This guy is the poster boy for
serious trouble and he should have been doing his anger management from behind
bars. you're ruining my life? Why because he has trouble obeying the law? This is
a case where the judge and the lawyer got it wrong. This is more than once as well
therefore he should have been punished to the fullest extent of the law. Even I can
see that and I am not right wing eh?
 

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His punishment wasn't suffice to begin with, all he got was pepper sprayed and a ticket! Surely he deserves considerable prison time for this after his 2nd outburst.

Give Ahmed Al-Mustapha the maximum sentence, which I hope is prison time!!!

Such a disrespect for law enforcement deserves no mercy!

He threatened a Polcie officer in open court - But I guess that is the new normal today.
 

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If you or I were to threaten anyone in open court we would be charged with the offence as
well as being charged with contempt of court. He deserves to be investigated to determine
if he has committed other crimes of violence that the police at present don't know about?
This is pandering to the defendant and I wonder why he got special privileges. Makes you
wonder does it not?
 

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Why in the hell didn't he get more than what he got? This guy is the poster boy for
serious trouble and he should have been doing his anger management from behind
bars. you're ruining my life? Why because he has trouble obeying the law? This is
a case where the judge and the lawyer got it wrong. This is more than once as well
therefore he should have been punished to the fullest extent of the law. Even I can
see that and I am not right wing eh?

Exactly! It's amazing how some people can act towards another, let alone a police officer.

Good thing stupid isn't illegal....

Being stupid isn't, acting stupid is! That's why he's court!
 

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His punishment wasn't suffice to begin with, all he got was pepper sprayed and a ticket! Surely he deserves considerable prison time for this after his 2nd outburst.

Give Ahmed Al-Mustapha the maximum sentence, which I hope is prison time!!!

Such a disrespect for law enforcement deserves no mercy!

While he went about it the wrong way I can sympathize with his cause.

First thing you need to recognize is the difference between 'law' enforcement commonly called acting as a 'peace officer' and 'statutory enforcement & collections'. The law is written in the criminal code, the law has victims. Statutes are all the other acts and regulations where there is no victim but the govt takes your money as a penalty.

Now while I agree that it is improper to drive in a manner that could endanger others why should we all be charged $167 (or whatever it is in your area) for doing 10k over the limit when no-one else is around. Is it really fair to give up a days wage or more for something where nobody got hurt or even offended?

Now given the police response in this situation, 4-5 cops trying to haul this guy through his car window and hitting him with pepper spray over a speeding ticket, I can understand how he might be a little pissed. You have to ask yourself, is this what we hire peace officers for? Is this the best use of their time? Personally I would much rather have our police finding real criminals than acting as fund-raisers and collection agents for the govt.
 

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If you or I were to threaten anyone in open court we would be charged with the offence as
well as being charged with contempt of court. He deserves to be investigated to determine
if he has committed other crimes of violence that the police at present don't know about?
This is pandering to the defendant and I wonder why he got special privileges. Makes you
wonder does it not?


Why beat around the bush dg, tell us why you think he received "special" treatment.
 

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While he went about it the wrong way I can sympathize with his cause.

First thing you need to recognize is the difference between 'law' enforcement commonly called acting as a 'peace officer' and 'statutory enforcement & collections'. The law is written in the criminal code, the law has victims. Statutes are all the other acts and regulations where there is no victim but the govt takes your money as a penalty.

Now while I agree that it is improper to drive in a manner that could endanger others why should we all be charged $167 (or whatever it is in your area) for doing 10k over the limit when no-one else is around. Is it really fair to give up a days wage or more for something where nobody got hurt or even offended?

Now given the police response in this situation, 4-5 cops trying to haul this guy through his car window and hitting him with pepper spray over a speeding ticket, I can understand how he might be a little pissed. You have to ask yourself, is this what we hire peace officers for? Is this the best use of their time? Personally I would much rather have our police finding real criminals than acting as fund-raisers and collection agents for the govt.

He didn't go 10km over the limit. He went 28km over the limit! That's a heck of a lot more than just "improper". He got off with a slap on the wrist for what he did, and I have no idea why. Did the judge not want to offend the poor fellow? Since when does threatening a police officer in court allow someone to get a suspended sentence. Yeah, that'll teach him a lesson!:roll:
 

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Actually Gerry I wasn't referring to any specific reason I was in fact wondering why it
was such a light sentence. Was it ethnic considerations, was it wealth or power or
some other reason? Was it just an incompetent judge and court system? If not why?
I think such a weak undertaking, deserves an explanation to the public. I don't know
the reason, but it was pandering to the offender in this case.
I am not a fan of mandatory minimum sentence, but there should be some repercussion
of behaving like this and an anger management course is not sufficient in my view.
 

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While he went about it the wrong way I can sympathize with his cause.

First thing you need to recognize is the difference between 'law' enforcement commonly called acting as a 'peace officer' and 'statutory enforcement & collections'. The law is written in the criminal code, the law has victims. Statutes are all the other acts and regulations where there is no victim but the govt takes your money as a penalty.

???? What are you talking about? So?

Now while I agree that it is improper to drive in a manner that could endanger others why should we all be charged $167 (or whatever it is in your area) for doing 10k over the limit when no-one else is around. Is it really fair to give up a days wage or more for something where nobody got hurt or even offended?

It doesn't matter if was only 10km/h over the limit. How weak is the argument that your were only breaking the law a little bit? We need stiffer fines than $167 and even stiffer again for excessive speeding. People are still driving like maniacs out there and only higher fines will deter them!

Now given the police response in this situation, 4-5 cops trying to haul this guy through his car window and hitting him with pepper spray over a speeding ticket, I can understand how he might be a little pissed. You have to ask yourself, is this what we hire peace officers for? Is this the best use of their time? Personally I would much rather have our police finding real criminals than acting as fund-raisers and collection agents for the govt.

The purp refused to follow directions by not handing over his documentation. He was yelling aggressively at the officers. He was refusing orders to vacate his vehicle. = Police actions warranted.
 

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???? What are you talking about? So?

Do you know and understand the difference between a law and a statute?

It doesn't matter if was only 10km/h over the limit. How weak is the argument that your were only breaking the law a little bit? We need stiffer fines than $167 and even stiffer again for excessive speeding. People are still driving like maniacs out there and only higher fines will deter them!
Blah, Blah, Blah....The question is if someone is driving in a manner that is unsafe to others or infringing on somebody elses rights. Other than that there is no 'law' regarding driving. the rest is statutory and doesn't really carry much weight unless you want to hand over your cash to the govt.
The purp refused to follow directions by not handing over his documentation. He was yelling aggressively at the officers. He was refusing orders to vacate his vehicle. = Police actions warranted.

I have many times refused to follow directions of the police in defense of my rights. Now I don't yell and scream at them, I am polite and calm, but I always force them to 1)prove they are actually police and on duty by showing me correct ID and 2) making them cite chapter and verse of the exact law they are trying to use against me. If they do not do both of these things you are not bound to comply with anything they say. I have actually called 911 from my car and said I may have a police impersonator at my car window because an officer refused to show me picture ID. It was quite pleasant to watch his supervisor tear him a new one for not doing it.

Blind obedience is not in our best interest. Know exactly what your rights and their obligations are and you become quite powerful against most minor violations.
 

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The guy was being a douche, but calling for extended jail time is stupid. Just slap him with a small fine and be done with it. Since when have police officers become too pussified to handle people like this?
 

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It's a simple thing really. Shut up and take the ticket, make your argument in court before a judge. If you feel the police are out of line then there is also a complaints process to follow to have that investigated.
 

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Man hurls insults at cops in courtroom | Local News | St. Albert Gazette

Failing to play nicely with the law did not land Ahmed Al-Mustapha behind bars, but he does have some personal work to do before he is in the clear.

The 22-year-old Edmonton man was handed a conditional sentence in St. Albert court Monday with one year of probation, which includes anger management assessments, treatments and counselling, after pleading guilty to resisting arrest and causing a disturbance.

The charges stem from Mustapha falling prey to a speed trap in St. Albert on Sept. 5, 2009.

Clocked in at 78 km/h in a 50 km/h zone, the man was signalled to pull over. Crown prosecutor John Donahoe explained in court that after attempting, and failing, to make an impromptu U-turn, Mustapha instead decided to roll down his window and yell at the officer.

He claimed he was not speeding, and refused to hand over his documents.

“Because the driver was failing to follow directions, backup was called,” continued Donahoe. “There’s four more officers involved and he still refused to get out of the vehicle.”

St. Albert RCMP struggled with Mustapha, through the car’s window, having to pepper spray him to bring him under control.

He continued berating the Mounties all the way to cells.

Donahoe jumped to a Nov. 23. 2010 incident, when Mustapha was in the St. Albert courthouse, “in this very courtroom” to fight that $166 speeding ticket, and found himself in the company of his arresting officer.

“Mr. Mustapha started talking loudly,” said Donahoe.

Comments such as “You’re ruining my life” escalated to “You better never take off that uniform” before the irate man was escorted out. He came back in and was arrested and charged for a second time.

Prior to Monday’s guilty pleas, this man had absolutely no criminal record.

“Rarely have I seen a set of circumstances where a person will be this abusive to police,” said Donahoe.

“It is something of a bizarre set of circumstances — my hope is this is the last we’ll see of him here,” said Don MacPherson, defence attorney. “But this isn’t something that will just disappear — he’s going to have to earn it.”

Judge Bruce Garriock agreed, calling the incidents a complete failure to respect the law.

“[The police] have got a difficult enough job without having these sorts of antics shoved into their faces,” he said.

I suppose as the gamut of seriousness runs this would rate as 2-3 on a scale of 10 and should kept in perspective. He needs to learn respect for both the R.C.M.P. and the law. If I was the judge I'd have given a slightly stiffer sentence including 14 days breaking rocks just to give him a taste of how tough things can get in this country.

The guy was being a douche, but calling for extended jail time is stupid. Just slap him with a small fine and be done with it. Since when have police officers become too pussified to handle people like this?

Good cops (and there are many of them) don't need to put up with this crap in the performance of their duties.
 

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Such a disrespect for law enforcement deserves no mercy!

Oh, I forgot for a moment that cops are deities that should be respected and worshiped at all times.

You need to separate disrespect from failure to comply & utter threats, disrespecting a cop isn't a crime.
 

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Good cops (and there are many of them) don't need to put up with this crap in the performance of their duties.

Of course they don't need to put up with this. That's why he sprayed the guy and tossed him in the cruiser.

If you haven't noticed, this is a completely normal kind of intervention with cops, lol. And that's probably because a lot of people have an inherently bias against police officers (crazy, I know.. what is wrong with these people?!? lol)

It's up to people to stop being chaotic for no good reason. One prime example, is a peaceful protest - and cops don't really care much for those. So, if cops need some alone time to talk about their problems, they can invest in a psychiatrist.

Otherwise..



 

DurkaDurka

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The guy was being a douche, but calling for extended jail time is stupid. Just slap him with a small fine and be done with it. Since when have police officers become too pussified to handle people like this?

Police officers are slaves to their gadgets and are afraid to get their hands dirty in most situations. Once could also blame the weakened hiring standards over the last 20 years.