Plush pensions: MPs can afford to retire in style

petros

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Pity Gilles Duceppe. The leader of the Bloc Québécois spent almost two selfless decades in Parliament being paid handsomely by the taxpayers of Canada to try and pry the country apart. And what is his thanks after he was defeated in his own riding on Monday and the Bloc was reduced to four seats? He must now get by on a measly MP pension of just $141,000 a year, yet another insult to Quebec from Ottawa.


Of course, Duceppe is not the only former MP to be turfed on to the streets with nothing to show for years of service but measly pensions sometimes amounting to as little as $27,000 a year and only as much as $147,000.

But the Bloc’s ill wind has blown some good to the NDP and its unlikely cast of rookies from Quebec. They improbably find themselves headed to Ottawa, to annual salaries of $157,000 and, yes, to pensions of at least $27,000 a year at age 55 if only they can survive the next election some four years hence and sit a minimum six years in the House of Commons.

It depends on what Kool-Aid the Quebec electorate is drinking when the next election rolls around. Many of the new Quebec NDP MPs are likely to be one-term wonders, pinching themselves four years from now and wondering if it was all just a nice dream. But some no doubt will survive and be slated to enjoy the ultimate reward of a golden MP pension.

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation calculated this week that the 113 MPs who were either defeated in the election or retired before it will collect $4.9-million in pension payments in their first year and will get a cumulative $111.5-million by the time they reach 80. Another $4.3-million in severance will be handed to former MPs, including $116,624 to defeated Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff.
That it is so easy to ridicule this perpetual trough pension system starkly shows that it is ridiculous, an insult to taxpayers and no laughing matter. At a time when millions of Canadians are rightfully worried about how they will survive retirement and if their pensions will keep them in old age, the “leadership” of the country blithely maintains a plan that is not only overly generous, but downright unfair.

Yet Stephen Harper’s Conservative majority victory provides him and his party an opportunity to right this shameful situation. They can not only do the right thing and over time trim back MP pensions to something resembling real-world conditions and save taxpayers considerable sums. They can also be seen to be righting a flagrant abuse of power, demonstrating that some of the political ills built up over the generations can be remedied by bold intervention.

Just the basics of the MPs’ from-trough-to-grave self-service plan are ludicrous: Pensions are calculated on the best five earnings years and are locked in after only six years of “service.” Backbenchers make about $157,000 a year and will qualify for a minimum indexed lifetime pension of $27,000 a year when they reach age 55. As a result, an MP sacrificing all of six years in the House could pocket $675,000 (in today’s dollars) if he were to reach 80.

The system adds insult to injury after this election because the defeated and retired Bloc MPs – dedicated to pulling the country apart at taxpayers’ expense – will pocket a total of about $2-million in their first year of retirement and tens upon tens of millions over the lives of their pensions.

There is little that can be done to change that and other distasteful MP pension facts. The taxpayer will have to live with the results of a system run out of control by politicians who were either greedy or ****less or both.
But the Tories with their majority of four-plus years can do something to reform a pension plan that allows MPs to put in just one dollar for every four the government puts up.

Defined-benefit public pensions systems in which governments match employee contributions dollar for dollar are unsustainable. The federal Tories and other governments and jurisdictions across the country will be addressing such problems in the years to come.
Demographics and deficits will help focus the national debate on pensions at all levels, expecially governmental. Prime Minister Harper can help get the debate really rolling by announcing a review of MPs’ pensions with a view to at least putting them in line with those of other public servants.

Like other people, MPs will have to make do with less. They can send a mighty message by cutting their own bloated pensions over time.

As for Gilles Duceppe, I hope he’s been racking up the RRSPs to cushion the blow of making only a measly $141,000 a year for the rest of his life
 

coldstream

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Yup these platinum plated pensions in fact are guaranteed against any inflationary deterioration of the dollar. The MPs have held themselves above any personal repercussions from their policies.

They accumulate at a rate of roughly twice what they give to serving military, who put themselves in harms way in defense of our country. No one ever got sniped at or bombed in Parliament, although some might have faced injury from falling down the parliamentary stairs while drunk.

So enjoy Gilles, the old separatist, Chuck Strahl, the great champion of reducing the public purse.. and the rest.. lap up, jump in and splash around that swill of the public trough.. lousy hypocrites.
 
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Bar Sinister

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This is one of the ticking time bombs of separatism that the BQ and PQ keeps hidden from its supporters. Secede from Canada and hundreds of thousands of Quebecois say good-bye to their government pensions. I wonder if Mr. Duceppe would be willing to forgo his pension in order to show his commitment to his cause.
 

gerryh

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I wonder if Mr. Duceppe would be willing to forgo his pension in order to show his commitment to his cause.


about as willing as the former Reform MP's (now conservative) were willing to give up their pensions. Remember that one under Manning? I remember, I remember laughing like hell when they all made the promise, and I remember laughing even harder when the reform backed out on that promise and people were shocked.
 

damngrumpy

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To start with pensions and people pointing to the outrage is absurd. The system has
people pointing at this part of government while they hand out billions in tax breaks to
the richest people and companies. Pensions don't even make a blip on the radar
screen compared to the real waste of money that is hidden safely under the carpets
of the Government Offices in almost every ministry.
Yes pensions got out of hand decades ago and nothing was done because times were
good. Now of course we stopped watching Entertainment Tonight and we are waking
up to the fact that there are problems in the way governments operate.
I don't get all worked up about the pension dollars and neither do most Canadians it a
red flag and we should all shout in unison down with pensions.
All parties collect their pensions Conservatives, LIberals New Democrats and the
independents.
 

JLM

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To start with pensions and people pointing to the outrage is absurd. The system has
people pointing at this part of government while they hand out billions in tax breaks to
the richest people and companies. Pensions don't even make a blip on the radar
screen compared to the real waste of money that is hidden safely under the carpets
of the Government Offices in almost every ministry.
Yes pensions got out of hand decades ago and nothing was done because times were
good. Now of course we stopped watching Entertainment Tonight and we are waking
up to the fact that there are problems in the way governments operate.
I don't get all worked up about the pension dollars and neither do most Canadians it a
red flag and we should all shout in unison down with pensions.
All parties collect their pensions Conservatives, LIberals New Democrats and the
independents.

Of course we can always find worse examples of waste if we look hard enough, but at the same time pensions X 308 isn't exactly a blip. Lets just simply change the formula to 2% X years of service X highest salary- that way a career politician with 35 years in would get 70% of his salary..................not a bad retirement stipend. While we are on the subject of the trough, the $25 breakfasts while in Ottawa should be cut back to $7.99. It's all this kind of sh*t that just sets a bad example.............every week we hear of a case of someone suffering a terrible debillitating life threatening illness that the health plan won't cover, even though in most cases it's a very rare disease. A few thousand of these breakfasts would cover the costs and it's not like the $25 is even spent on breakfast, more like toast and coffee.

I wonder what size of pension/severance Ignatieff will get! Probably only in the measly $hundreds of thousands!
 

Cliffy

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Of course we can always find worse examples of waste if we look hard enough, but at the same time pensions X 308 isn't exactly a blip. Lets just simply change the formula to 2% X years of service X highest salary- that way a career politician with 35 years in would get 70% of his salary..................not a bad retirement stipend. While we are on the subject of the trough, the $25 breakfasts while in Ottawa should be cut back to $7.99. It's all this kind of sh*t that just sets a bad example.............every week we hear of a case of someone suffering a terrible debillitating life threatening illness that the health plan won't cover, even though in most cases it's a very rare disease. A few thousand of these breakfasts would cover the costs and it's not like the $25 is even spent on breakfast, more like toast and coffee.

I wonder what size of pension/severance Ignatieff will get! Probably only in the measly $hundreds of thousands!
Fire the whole lot. "Serving" the public should be voluntary with only living expenses covered with a pay cheque no larger than that of a front line soldier, PM and cabinet members no more than a career officer. Civil servant should mean service to your country. It should be manditory for all Canadians to serve their country for 2 - 4 years, either in the military or civil service. Only a small core of professionals should be maintained to assure training and supervision. We could trim billions from the budget that would go a long way toward better health care and education. And lobbyists should be banned because they instigate corruption in the service with bribes and "presents" and promises of future favours.

Elect me benevolent dictator! :lol:
 

JLM

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Fire the whole lot. "Serving" the public should be voluntary with only living expenses covered with a pay cheque no larger than that of a front line soldier, PM and cabinet members no more than a career officer. Civil servant should mean service to your country. It should be manditory for all Canadians to serve their country for 2 - 4 years, either in the military or civil service. Only a small core of professionals should be maintained to assure training and supervision. We could trim billions from the budget that would go a long way toward better health care and education. And lobbyists should be banned because they instigate corruption in the service with bribes and "presents" and promises of future favours.

Elect me benevolent dictator! :lol:

You'd get my vote, Cliff and I'd even be willing to foot a $5 Nakusp breakfast. :lol:
 

YukonJack

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The saddest thing - and it certainly does not bode well for Canada - that these 24 karat LOSERS take their UNEARNED pension in seemingly clear conscience, and profit from the generosity of us suckers, i.e. taxpayers.

If they had any decency, they would at least wait until they are 65 years old, like all the rest of us have to do. But young punks like Duceppe care only about themselves or as a distant second, their miserable province.
 

DurkaDurka

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The saddest thing - and it certainly does not bode well for Canada - that these 24 karat LOSERS take their UNEARNED pension in seemingly clear conscience, and profit from the generosity of us suckers, i.e. taxpayers.

If they had any decency, they would at least wait until they are 65 years old, like all the rest of us have to do. But young punks like Duceppe care only about themselves or as a distant second, their miserable province.

At what age can they start receiving their pension payments?
 

DurkaDurka

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I believe so. Now that is a true freeloader.

Don't forget that anyone that serves in the military gets a pension after 20 years so that makes them around 40


I can understand soldier collecting a pension after 20 years as they are putting their lives on the line for us, these short-term MP's on the other hand...
 

YukonJack

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Well, let us be fair.

A soldier puts his life on the line and would not dare or care to defy an order from a superior.

A Member of Parliament puts his political life on the line for being a human, rather than a sock-puppet, by actually representing his constituents and/or his own views.

Are we talking about democracy?
 

mentalfloss

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I believe so. Now that is a true freeloader.

That's a very disingenuous statement to make as it assumes the 19 year old is not as capable as someone older. Looking at most politicians track records, their age and wisdom has not been reflected in better performance.

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