Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier
I'd agree on the Tobbaco, but alcohol, not so sure.
Drink enough alcohol and you will become blindly drunk.Keep drinking and you will die of an overdose.
Quote: CDC - Fact Sheets-Alcohol Use And Health - Alcohol
There are approximately 79,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.1 This makes excessive alcohol use the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for the nation.2 Additionally, excessive alcohol use is responsible for 2.3 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) annually, or an average of about 30 years of potential life lost for each death. In the single year 2005, there were more than 1.6 million hospitalizations3 and more than 4 million emergency room visits4 for alcohol-related conditions.
The human body reacts to the toxicity of the drugs. Drug laws are based more on perceptions than science or pharmacology. Marijuana is commonly perceived as a dangerous drug, when its actually less toxic than alcohol or nutmeg, ( Nutmeg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
). As far as I know, no one has ever died of a marijuana overdose. Tests with animals have resulted in marijuana overdose deaths, so its possible in theory. The equivalent was estimated to be about 40,000 times the amount required to cause intoxication. To put it in perspective most people need about 0.5 of a gram to become intoxicated. So you'd need to smoke about 20 Kg to die of a marijuana overdose. Heavy marijuana users consume at the most only a few grams per day. Most marijuana consumers use just enough to feel the effects and stop. Most marijuana consumers describe themselves as occasional consumer. (weekly/monthly/annually rather than daily). Marijuana is not physically addictive, but it can be habit forming.
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy
The real injustice is that our government didn't support a Canadian Citizen operating and
living in Canada. The real problem is that in this country we will decriminalize the practice
within this decade and America will be alone in its narrow minded little cellar of doubt.
Threats should be handled like this, America we will close the boarder if you decriminalize
pot. Canada we agree and that will mean we cut off your supply of oil. By the way we can
get food from many sources these days, and it would be a short boarder closure because
they need oil.
The US can do what they want within their borders. We should not tell them how to run their country or make threats. We should promote friendship, mutual respect and cooperation.
If and when Canada does decriminalize marijuana it will cause some new problems and we will need American cooperation to solve those problems effectively.
Canada has its own drug problems. If we legalize marijuana, we could also end up with America's drug problem too. We should pay attention to what has happened in Amsterdam, which now has to deal with the drug addicts from Europe and the rest of the world.
Canadians who smoke dope legally will forget they left some in their car or on their person and attempt to cross the border to the US with small amounts of marijuana by accident. Under American law, those Canadians could face serious jail time. We may want an agreement that possession of less than a certain amount of marijuana (less than whatever the legal limit is in Canada) results in denial of entry for that day and possibly for an extended period of time. If Americans don't want Canadian potheads in the US, we should respect that choice. But no one's interest would be served by incarcerating people who are guilty of being dumb and absent minded. (another side effect of marijuana)
Also, because of misinformation and propaganda regarding "Killer Weed!" many people who know nothing about marijuana tend to have an irrational fear of marijuana users. In general people under the influence are calm and cooperative. They aren't a threat to anyone (as long as they aren't operating a motorized vehicle under the influence). People intoxicated by marijuana tend to be passive. In general they are easily intimidated.
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides
A criminal is a criminal. Wonder how many of you actually have been robbed or just had your home broken into (no one home) would still say oh no one was hurt, just let them go enough violence has been committed. A home break-in should cost the criminal 10+ years for all he puts a family through mentally.
I agree with you on crimes which have victims. But a Rastafarian smoking "da herb" to get closer to Jah is mostly harmless. In that case our laws make these people criminals.
An acquaintance of mine has liver disease. For him alcohol is toxic. However his doctor told him that marijuana won't aggravate his condition. His recreational drug of choice remains illegal. In the late 1960's he was convicted for a single joint of marijuana and spent a year in jail. He is an honest trustworthy person, but because of his criminal record, its difficult for him to get work. He mostly works part time jobs and collects welfare. I'm certain his life would have been more productive and less costly to society if our laws were different
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Most pot used to be grown outdoors (very environmentally friendly) until the loons at the DEA and RCMP started flying around in helicopters to spot grow ops. Then the growers were forced indoors. Now instead of ma and pa ops we have organized crime in charge. The problem is this stupid war on pot. Notice I did not saw drugs because the DEA and RCMP are not interested in taking drugs off the street, just pot.
I call it the "War on Drug Addicts", which is more accurate.
In general Canadian police aren't dumb or ignorant. In general they get accurate science based information/training on controlled substances. They know what drugs are, the symptoms and side effects. In general Canadian police are harder on harder drugs like cocaine and heroin because they know these drugs have more serious consequences than marijuana. Most police officers would like to get all drugs off the street, but they aren't interested in wasting their time with people who won't change their bad habits even if busted. They tend to focus on young people and drug prevention. But light up a doobie in front of a Canadian police officer and they will enforce the law. If they ignore a blatant drug offense, they can be dismissed for dereliction of duty. IMO, that's yet another problem with current laws, since it isolates them from people who would be their best source of intel regarding drug production and distribution.
Make marijuana legal, taxed and properly controlled and we turn an uncontrolled problem with only negative consequences into a problem which is controlled and generates legal revenue and taxes. I'm not saying that ending marijuana prohibition and replacing it with a system of controls and taxes will solve our drug problems. But once we know how much is being consumed and by whom, we can then measure the effectiveness of drug prevention/rehab programs. Then we can make adjustments to the system of controls, regulations, drug prevention programs and education to reduce drug use by encouraging people not to start or continue using drugs.
I'm against legalizing marijuana in a way that results in large corporations profiting from marijuana consumption like alcohol and tobacco. I am against marketing drugs to encourage their consumption. Our long term goal should be a drug free society... including marijuana, alcohol and tobacco.
I support the right of people who want to live a drug free life and protect their children from legal recreational drugs. Marijuana should be sold in municipally regulated green zones. Producers should be controlled like wineries or breweries and only be able to sell small amounts on site (tourism). Marijuana should be only sold at licensed government regulated cafes, again in only small amounts. Smoking marijuana in public should have the same controls as tobacco.
Growing marijuana in small amounts for personal consumption should be legal ASAP. The current system imposes harsh penalties on people who don't want to buy marijuana from criminal organizations.
I'm against locking mostly harmless people up in prison and giving them a criminal record.
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