Ontario Cannabis Laws Struck Down Again.

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Harper's conservatives should they form the next government will of course appeal this ruling and draw out the court case to the most expensive end. It's only a matter of time before a government is elected that will simply decriminalize it until it can be legalized.


An Ontario court has struck down Canada’s laws against possessing and growing cannabis as part of a ruling that found the country’s medicinal marijuana program is failing to provide access to the drug for those who need it.

Smoking up, however, is not legal just yet: the federal government has three months to launch an appeal or change its regulations to fix the problems identified by the court.

Mr. Justice Donald Taliano of the Ontario Superior Court struck down the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations, arguing they aren’t doing enough to ensure patients can obtain the necessary approvals to use the drug. Simultaneously, he ruled two sections of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act – those that prohibit simple possession and cultivating marijuana – are unconstitutional, since they can be used to criminally charge medicinal users who haven’t been able to obtain such approval.

The ruling means the government must either improve its system for licensing medicinal marijuana patients within 90 days, or it will become legal to use or grow the drug for any purpose. The government can, however, buy itself more time by appealing the ruling.

The government office handling the case could not be immediately reached for comment on what it planned to do.

The ruling is not the first time the courts have come to the assistance of those who use cannabis to alleviate their illnesses. A 2000 Ontario Court of Appeal ruling compelled the government to create the medicinal marijuana program or have its prohibitions against cannabis thrown out altogether. Other court rulings have pointed to specific problems with the medicinal marijuana rules.

This, however, is the first time a court has thrown the whole thing out, said Jacob Hunter, policy director with the Vancouver-based Beyond Prohibition Foundation. Even though the current ruling applies only to Ontario, he said it would have ramifications across the country.

“We know historically that decisions in Ontario have had an effect nationally, especially on this issue,” said Mr. Hunter, who is also a licensed medicinal marijuana user.

The court decision hinged on the difficulty medicinal users have in finding a doctor willing to sign the necessary paperwork. The problem, Judge Taliano ruled, is that the government requires patients to obtain the approval of a doctor to take marijuana legally but does not give physicians adequate training or fund sufficient clinical trials of the drug. As a result, much of the medical community refuses to approve its use.

“Rather than promote health – the regulations have the opposite effect. Rather than promote effective drug control – the regulations drive the critically ill to the black market,” he wrote. “Surely, the right to choose belongs to the patient, not to government that has failed to create the environment for better research into the drug’s effectiveness and harmful qualities.”

The case was brought forward by Matthew Mernagh, a 37-year-old man from St. Catharines, Ont., who couldn’t find a doctor to approve his use of marijuana to relieve the symptoms of several illnesses, including fibromyalgia and scoliosis. He was charged with cultivating his own cannabis, charges that were also staid by Judge Taliano.

Several other medicinal users of the drug testified they faced similar problems, and that Health Canada would take months to process their applications.

Judge Taliano agreed with Mr. Mernagh’s argument that criminally charging patients who had to resort to illegally buying cannabis amounted to a violation of their Charter right to liberty.

Proponents of medicinal marijuana have long argued that Health Canada’s system is flawed and that the roughly 10,000 people approved to use the drug represent only a tiny fraction of those who should qualify for the program.

“For the last nine years, patients have been complaining about the ineffectiveness of the medicinal marijuana program,” said Ron Marzel, a Toronto lawyer who has represented medicinal marijuana clients. “This judge finally accepted those concerns.”
 

Mowich

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This is one of the few policies where I part company with the Conservatives. I firmly believe that the money spent on policing marijuana could be put to much better use by concentrating on the hard drugs that do real damage to people. The days of people believing that Reefer Madness had any basis in fact are long gone.
 

petros

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No problem some bailing twin and an all terrain zimmer frame and you'll earn a couple goats, a plastic bucket and maybe even a puppy.
 

Unforgiven

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Fcuk no more dogs man! What's with all you Pikies throwing dogs in with deals?

Tell you what. You can grow Mammillaria like Unesco and we'll see how you do with that, then maybe you can move on to growing sideburns like the FCC. Hows that?
 

petros

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Dogs of war man! It comes with the zimmer frame.

The Farm Credit Corp will loan me money for seed if I grow cacti sideburns?
 

Praxius

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Back on topic a bit, It's good news that the judges in this country are starting to use their common sense and logic when it comes to the laws against Marijuana.... now if only the government can do the same.

After all, when those who make & enforce the laws every single day are saying the laws against something are Crap & Unconstitutional, why do those in our government think they know better and try to tell them otherwise? The Judges deal with legalities and such every single day they work.
 

petros

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Even Neanderthal used weed for medicine.

Their thinking shifted some where along the lines, some how they were elected, they decided pills where magical and using plants were evil because they could turn you into a Mexican and then blacks would steal your girlfriend.

Stupid monkeys.
 

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I have often wondered how a society declares war on a social condition. The fact is that
lawyers, judges and even some politicians are using the stuff and they put on their robes
and declare it an evil of society. I have never used the stuff, and I never will however it is
not my place to tell someone they shouldn't. There is a difference between a social vice
and a crime. A crime is kiddie porn, and such, toking up is a long way from that. The
other problem is if you ask the opinion of Canadians the majority are in favour of at least
decriminalizing it, if not outright making it legal. At the beginning of the last century, it was
the evil of booze and now its pot. I can understand not legalizing hard drugs, but even there
its a matter of education and treatment, not putting addicts in prison.
 

Praxius

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I have often wondered how a society declares war on a social condition. The fact is that
lawyers, judges and even some politicians are using the stuff and they put on their robes
and declare it an evil of society. I have never used the stuff, and I never will however it is
not my place to tell someone they shouldn't. There is a difference between a social vice
and a crime. A crime is kiddie porn, and such, toking up is a long way from that. The
other problem is if you ask the opinion of Canadians the majority are in favour of at least
decriminalizing it, if not outright making it legal. At the beginning of the last century, it was
the evil of booze and now its pot. I can understand not legalizing hard drugs, but even there
its a matter of education and treatment, not putting addicts in prison.

Makes sense, and your decision to use it or not use it is of course, completely up to you..... but who's to say that sometime down the road you may gain some sort of illness that Marijuana might help with and thus, having it available & legal for you to decide again when the time comes sounds like a good idea to me and an idea I believe you'd agree with if that situation occurred.
 

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This is one of the few policies where I part company with the Conservatives. I firmly believe that the money spent on policing marijuana could be put to much better use by concentrating on the hard drugs that do real damage to people. The days of people believing that Reefer Madness had any basis in fact are long gone.

I agree completely.
 

CDNBear

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My problem with striking down the pot laws is, I won't be able to feel like a rebel, when I grow a couple plants in the backyard.
 

Unforgiven

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I have often wondered how a society declares war on a social condition. The fact is that
lawyers, judges and even some politicians are using the stuff and they put on their robes
and declare it an evil of society. I have never used the stuff, and I never will however it is
not my place to tell someone they shouldn't. There is a difference between a social vice
and a crime. A crime is kiddie porn, and such, toking up is a long way from that. The
other problem is if you ask the opinion of Canadians the majority are in favour of at least
decriminalizing it, if not outright making it legal. At the beginning of the last century, it was
the evil of booze and now its pot. I can understand not legalizing hard drugs, but even there
its a matter of education and treatment, not putting addicts in prison.

It's a good question and one that not a lot of people really understand. I will attempt to answer
a few of the points you have raised as this is far more important than most people realize.

Starting back in the early 1900s "Marijuana", which is a racist term by the way, was said to be the cause of
a new terrifying addiction that would lead to in the end, a danger to women. The only way out of that addiction was death, insanity or abandonment. In Canada the bill was passed without any debate in parliament. More likely it had to do with discussion with the League Of Nations, pre UN, that broached the idea of controlling the drug nationally. Not to put too fine a point on it, Hashish was labeled as a harmful drug and included in the prohibition of import of Opium, Cocaine and their salts.

At the time in Canada, there wasn't a problem with drugs or anything of the nature and Cannabis was simply included without any actual discussion on the matter. The fear was strong back then too. Cannabis would take over for Opium and addicts would surely go after all the white women.

Anslinger was appointed to a newly created Federal Bureau Narcotics with a funding of $100,000 to put an end to the sale of Cannabis more than anything because it couldn't be taxed. If it grows wild, good luck on trying to regulate it. At the height of Prohibition in the US, Anslinger built his agency up, as bureaucracies tend to do, into a massive, all encompassing organization battling the scourge that was Cannabis. Which coincidentally included all forms of Hemp, that was in direct competition with resources supplied to both the Dupont Company and William Randolph Hearst who has built up the largest new paper and magazine conglomerate in the world. It seems that wood wouldn't be worth as much if paper was made from hemp.

From this trio, the war on Cannabis was waged to promote, chemical alternatives, wood pulp for paper and a career in drug enforcement. Molding governmental policy that due to US influence became international policy through the League of Nations which folded into the UN with many policies carried over.

Being a good member of the LON and afterward the UN, Canada just goes along with these policies. While the majority of people in Canada want this waste of money stopped, the pressure on government by corporations, internationally through the UN, keep laws they way they are.

Currently, the Cannabis industry is over 7 billion dollars a year. Larger than pig farming, wheat farming and cattle ranching. No kidding. What does the vice tax on $7,000,000,000 due for the deficit?

In October 2007, the Harper government announced a new National Anti-Drug Strategy. A proposed Bill would have dealers facing one-year mandatory prison sentences if they’re operating for organized crime purposes, or if violence is involved. Dealers would also face a two-year mandatory jail sentence if they’re selling to youth, or dealing drugs near a school or an area normally frequented by youth. Additionally, people in Canada who run a large marijuana grow operation of at least 500 plants would risk facing a mandatory two-year jail term. Maximum penalties for producing cannabis would increase from 7 to 14 years.

Perhaps the biggest proposed policy change is mandatory six-month sentencing for those growing as little as one marijuana plant for the purposes of trafficking. If the Bill passes, this is certain to be felt by small-time distributors who are not linked to the ring of organized crime, and who usually face no more than a fine if caught.

I should include that it costs tax payers over $100,000 per year to incarcerate a person in a federal prison.
 

Avro

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Yes, the party of less government will never let pot become legal.

I've gotten my hands on some of that medical pot.....it's pretty frickin.....wait....what was I sayinggggggg......hey man....ever notice how your hand is.....like.....there.......far out.......................
 

Unforgiven

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Yes, the party of less government will never let pot become legal.

I've gotten my hands on some of that medical pot.....it's pretty frickin.....wait....what was I sayinggggggg......hey man....ever notice how your hand is.....like.....there.......far out.......................

Sure you did. Everyone knows that if you got some Cannabis you wouldn't be on here wasting it bitching about stupid junk. You would be cool and watching youtube reruns of food network shows. It's a fact, look it up.