Trudeau makes another brilliant statement.

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Trudeau told the PMO that he believes honour killings are barbaric, but "my issue is with tone and target audience in regards to the guide."

While not a big fan of Trudeau, I tend to agree with him. It just goes to show that the Dippers haven't cornered the market on over reacting. Is Hedy Fry a Conservative now?
 

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Well, I kinda agree that it should say "absolutely unacceptable" because "barbaric" doesn't quite get the message across. "Absolutely unacceptable" is a more instructive description. But that isn't the whole of Trudeau's problem. He doesn't like "barbaric" because it's offensive to the wife-beaters and child-murderers. Personally, I'd like it to be official government policy to offend barbarians.

BTW, the CBC is covering it:
Trudeau retracts 'barbaric' remarks - Canada - CBC News
 

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Trudeau told the PMO that he believes honour killings are barbaric, but "my issue is with tone and target audience in regards to the guide."

While not a big fan of Trudeau, I tend to agree with him. It just goes to show that the Dippers haven't cornered the market on over reacting. Is Hedy Fry a Conservative now?
From the Globe and Mail:

The updated guide, which the Tories says is meant to “help new immigrants learn about Canadian history and about the acceptable cultural practices of our country,” labels the murder of women or girls who purportedly bring dishonour on their families as “barbaric.”
It is this characterization that Mr. Trudeau took offence to, telling radio station Newstalk 1010 reporter he was “uncomfortable with the tone.”
“He said ‘he does not want them to be described in such a ‘pejorative’ way in Canada’s citizenship guide’,” according to the Tory missive. “Trudeau said that ‘I think that’s part of the tone that I’m uncomfortable with’.”

He's uncomfortable with the TONE? Oh, come on. He is uncomfortable calling honour killings barbaric, because it's pejorative?

God help him, I think his father would be ashamed.
 

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From the Globe and Mail:

The updated guide, which the Tories says is meant to “help new immigrants learn about Canadian history and about the acceptable cultural practices of our country,” labels the murder of women or girls who purportedly bring dishonour on their families as “barbaric.”
It is this characterization that Mr. Trudeau took offence to, telling radio station Newstalk 1010 reporter he was “uncomfortable with the tone.”
“He said ‘he does not want them to be described in such a ‘pejorative’ way in Canada’s citizenship guide’,” according to the Tory missive. “Trudeau said that ‘I think that’s part of the tone that I’m uncomfortable with’.”

He's uncomfortable with the TONE? Oh, come on. He is uncomfortable calling honour killings barbaric, because it's pejorative?

God help him, I think his father would be ashamed.

I see no drawback to using the term "totally unacceptable" instead of "barbaric". Since the target of these words are new immigrants, it should be their interpretation that should be considered not yours, mine or Treadeau's. I think that is the point he so poorly tried to make.
 

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I see no drawback to using the term "totally unacceptable" instead of "barbaric". Since the target of these words are new immigrants, it should be their interpretation that should be considered not yours, mine or Treadeau's. I think that is the point he so poorly tried to make.

See, there's the problem. It shouldn't be the new immigrants' interpretation that matters. It should be our government's message that matters. If it hurts your feelings to be called barbaric for being barbaric, then don't immigrate here.

End of ****ing story.
 

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See, there's the problem. It shouldn't be the new immigrants' interpretation that matters. It should be our government's message that matters. If it hurts your feelings to be called barbaric for being barbaric, then don't immigrate here.

End of ****ing story.
Copy that Mother ****er!!!!!! :eek:ccasion5:
 

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See, there's the problem. It shouldn't be the new immigrants' interpretation that matters. It should be our government's message that matters. If it hurts your feelings to be called barbaric for being barbaric, then don't immigrate here.

End of ****ing story.
Absolutely fully agree.
Why are we immigrating these type of people into our country in the first place?
Are we scrapeing the bottom of the barrel ??

I think we should add the following statement to the guide;
"These type of acts are carried out by Barbarians and Barbarians are not allowed into Canada"

We should use social pressure to have these people stop this kind of nonsence, since they come here and don't respect our laws, maybe they will bow to social pressure.
 

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See, there's the problem. It shouldn't be the new immigrants' interpretation that matters.

Why not?

It should be our government's message that matters.

The message would be pretty much the same either way. The actions are not acceptable.

If it hurts your feelings to be called barbaric for being barbaric, then don't immigrate here.

Who said these immigrants were being barbaric?

Are you a fan of Hedy Fry?
 

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Are you saying these immigrants are participating in honour killings?

No, you just have a comprehension problem. We're saying that honour killings are barbaric, and if you participate in them, or approve of them, you are being barbaric. Nobody said that all immigrants are barbaric. Please try to keep up; if you can't, feel free to stay home.
 

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No, you just have a comprehension problem. We're saying that honour killings are barbaric, and if you participate in them, or approve of them, you are being barbaric.

I agree. My point was that the term barbarian or barbaric has different connotations throughout the world. In some older societies, it can be taken to mean non-Christian. That is why the term "completely unacceptable" would have been a better choice. Unfortunately too many people get their panties all twisted when an emotional issue like this comes up....and invariably start shooting from the hip instead of taking the time to fully understand the situation. No need to apologize.
 

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Absolutely fully agree.
Why are we immigrating these type of people into our country in the first place?
Are we scrapeing the bottom of the barrel ??

What type of people exactly are you talking about?

I think we should add the following statement to the guide;
"These type of acts are carried out by Barbarians and Barbarians are not allowed into Canada"

Arnold Schwarzenegger glorified Conan The Barbarian in a series of movies. The Barbarian was the good guy.
So would he be allowed in or not? I think probably Canada would kick you our to let him in.

We should use social pressure to have these people stop this kind of nonsence, since they come here and don't respect our laws, maybe they will bow to social pressure.

Maybe you should bow to social pressure. How would you like that?
 

Durry

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That is why the term "completely unacceptable" would have been a better choice.
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Oh, he could have said this, he could have said that, he could have kept his mouth shut and said nothing,,,the dumb ignorant fk.

The guy is a real loser, he lives of his fathers shirt tails, another dead dumb fk.

The Libs are such socialists, if they saw Canadians wallowing in immigrant sh^t , they would tell us to smile because it's pudding !!
 

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I have never read a definition of barbarian that meant non-Christian.

Try a dictionary

Barbarian | Define Barbarian at Dictionary.com

bar·bar·i·an

  <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/B00/B0091900" target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" alt="barbarian pronunciation" /></a> /bɑrˈbɛər
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–noun 1. a person in a savage, primitive state; uncivilized person.

2. a person without culture, refinement, or education; philistine.

3. (loosely) a foreigner.

4. (in ancient and medieval periods) a. a non-Greek.

b. a person living outside, especially north of, the Roman Empire.

c. a person not living in a Christian country or within a Christian civilization.



5. (among Italians during the Renaissance) a person of non-Italian origin.


–adjective 6. uncivilized; crude; savage.

7. foreign; alien.

There are still places in the world today where the term barbarian doesn't just mean what you want it to mean, hence the desirability of better term. As I said earlier, I don't think Trudeau handled this well but he isn't wrong in saying that a different choice of word(s) may have been better.