Last summer I took a security course in effective communications, crisis management, restraints (handcuffing), and the baton. The course was taught by a gentleman that was a Toronto police officer for 20+ years, and then an instructor at two police colleges.
He said, in a lecture, that one of the most unfortunate things about policing was that it attracted a certain type that should never be a police officer, and that some of them slip through the cracks into police ranks.
I was pleased and surprised to hear that from a man that was all cop.
One suspects the officer in question is one that "slipped through the cracks".
We have all been wondering what the hell happened in this case, we I was reading the Kelowna
Capital News for January 21 and in the editorial section I see a letter to the Editor, from Chris
Turton, the owner of Orchard Greens Golf Course. His course is right next to the Harvest course.
In fact in some areas there isn't even a fence between the two places. The headline is interesting
in itself. Legitimate Use of firearms on golf course.
Chris did in fact ask and allow Buddy to shoot to scare geese at the course as did the place next
door. As I said earlier, geese pooping on the snow, when it melts, it destroys the greens. I have
the full article but rather than print up the whole thing I leave you with some facts that were
established on this page.
Buddy had permission to shoot on the course, it is legal as well, in BC we have an Agricultural
Land Reserve and the course is on ALR lands. Farmland operators are allowed to scare birds and
shotguns are in a different category for use. There was no domestic dispute.
Turton states not only did I give him permission, he compensates him for doing so.
Here is a revealing statement from the article.
This sad injustice, started with questionable motives of a handy man mechanic who, with no authority
or just cause, exaggerated a routine event(scaring geese) by an employee of 18 years as a grounds
keeper. who fired two shells into the ground.
Turton also points out the police made not attempt to confirm there was a problem at the course and
did nothing to make sure what they were dealing with. In fact, Turton states the only one who behaved
in an adult manner, calm and collected. The film clearly shows the other police did nothing to stop this
guy from his act of violence.
Turton also points out that these same cops, are allowed to behave however they want at roadside
blood alcohol tests and people have no recourse. After viewing this several times, I am contemplating
changing my mind about the need for a provincial police force. This has to stop.
This piece is three columns long and takes up a quarter of a page. Turton is a well respected guy in
our community, I know him and know of his other business interests. So there you have it poor old
Buddy did nothing except have someone who didn't like him inform the police he had a gun and was
threatening someone with domestic dispute problems. Still think the cops needed to kick him in the
face, throw him in jail, put him before the courts and insist on all kinds of conditions for him to get out
of jail. After all he was thrown in jail when no crime took place on his part. In fact the alleged criminal
conduct was committed by the officer.
Nothing short of disgusting in my view.
The problem is when you think about it, changing the police colours, means nothing unless
there is a shake up and cleanup. Kelowna for example had its own police force in the 1930's
but they were subject to a lot of questions. Including the police chief apparently shooting his
deputy and his girlfriend who ran most of the drugs, illegal booze and prostitution in the city.
His name was David Murdoch and he spent a lot of time locked away in a mental facility.
The Provincial Police were so corrupt they were replace with the RCMP back in 1950. I think
we have a bigger problem with the Mounties now though, they are a problem right across the
country, and the leadership is non existent now. Time to do something.
JLM the question is What? That is true, the problem I have is the senior command has gone
all to hell maybe. The other problem is not the police, it is the politicians and those who make
the decision who is eligible to be an RCMP officer. Yup, its those, good ole multiculturalists
again. The need to fill quota is more important that the requirements. Today we have to have
5 or even 6 cops to take someone down when one or two used to be needed. Why do you
think that is? It is because they have people who can't take care of themselves on the front line
of police work. Cops who are too small, women who are not strong enough and others who
are not suited to do the job, either because they are not smart enough or they have a thug
mentality. Now I am not saying that women should be kept off the force or not put on the front
line because there are some who can do the job.
I would like to see Police Officers who are qualified to do the job doing the job. I don't care if they
are women, men, wearing a turban or anything else, simply qualified to do police work and to a
significant degree we don't have that anymore, in too many cases. Secondly we have to clean
house at headquarters and bring in some people who know what they are doing and can inspire
I agree with you though, the majority, are good people trying to do a job under some difficult
circumstances. It is the problem children that keep offending and erroding the confidence of the
general public. In BC we are now at the breaking point, we have had so many cases of police
becoming the problem that something has to change and I don't think the institution is going to
change enough to meet what needs to be done.
I've been giving the matter some more thought and think there is one more thing that could be tried before a major (expensive) upheaval takes place. The Staff Sergeant at each detachment could mail out a questionaire for every file processed at the conclusion of the file or at six months, whichever comes first. The questionaire would be returned to R.C.M.P. Headquarters, with a copy to the Atty. General. Questions would include - name and rank of attending officer, Nature of the complaint, politeness of the officer, did the officer listen closely to your complaint?, did the officer explain in detail your questions? did the officer listen and consider any input you gave? Did the officer report back to you promptly on the progress of the investigation? Was the matter resolved to your satisfaction?
The same could be sent to the recipient of every highway citation. I know it would add several dollars to the cost of processing each file but may save huge bucks in the long run- like a lot of severance packages and a lot of new recruitment training costs.
Time to rejuvenate this threat, the Kelowna thug is apparently still on paid "vacation" 6 weeks after charges were recommended - if we don't shout and scream the powers that be will think we've become complacent and sweep it under the rug (probably transfer him with a promotion) It will be a good test for our new Premier in B.C., I'm going to give her a day or two to catch her breath and get a sense of the layout of her new office, then I'll be emailing her. Maybe kill two birds with one stone that way.
Serve and protect? What a crock of ****e. I relate to you an episode that happened about 15 years ago.Quote has been trimmed, See full post:
My wife and I were travelling with our 7 month old son to whistler for a christmas get together with family. About 40 minutes north of Squamish we experienced engine difficulty with our minivan and had to stop in an area with very little shoulder due to the snow-pack. It was after 8pm and there was little traffic on the road but I managed to flag a passing motorist who was unable to help further than promising to alert the RCMP when she reached Squamish. We waited for almost 90 minutes and eventually a cruiser pulled up behind us. I explained the situation to the officer and asked if he could call for a tow and give us a ride to whistler as our baby was now getting quite cold. He proceeded to give me lecture that I was wasting police time and should have had the kind lady call a tow truck instead of the police. I apologized about any misunderstanding and again indicated that we had a young baby in an unheated vehicle in -7 degree temperature and asked him to assist us with a ride to Whistler or even Squamish. He got quite aggitated and informed me he was not a taxi and that I was blocking the highway and should move my van before I got a ticket. I of course was quite stunned by his response and actually asked what it meant to 'serve and protect' and why he would not help us. He then returned to his car for a minute or two and when he came back to me said he...
What planet are you on JLM? Police defenders are few and far between. The cry for change is deafening. That said, I don't think the cop went far enough in this case. He should have rendered a good swift kick in the ***. I understand that you (being from BC) may find -7 "distressing" but here in Alberta, we question the manhood of any guy that thinks that way.