the brave civism of Americans

[jellyfish16]

As you all know, there was an so terrible incident in U.S Arizona.At First, I express my condolences to the victims of a shooting rampage and wish injured persons quick recovery. It is so sorry that American citizens and their society are shocked and in deep sorrow. I heard, the criminal is 22 year old very young man. he shot the unspecified people and he planned it precisely in advance.A happy feature of this misfortune, when the incident happened, the four men including an old lady in sixty and old veteran suppressed him and prevent more damages. when Anyone who get in emergency, persons are thinking of their own life first instinctually. but they didn't. the age was not big problem for them. Although they are old persons, they did their best to save other people. that made me so impressed. i hope that they return to thier peaceful daily life as soon as possible and no more terrors like this happen.

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/01/11/verjee.uk.pirate.business.cnn news about this incident.

 

[Avro]

Well said, no hate, no dumb politics....bravo.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I imagine at some point someone will drag their political soapboxes over here, but until then, I agree Jellyfish it is a tragedy and decent people did what decent people do. Looks more and more like this kid has some serious mental problems. A sad situation all around.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

This is the only type of thread about this kind of stuff I ever feel like contributing to. It's too easy to blame certain people and events and circumstances, and none of it gets to the real issue. The simple human concern and compassion expressed in the OP is what drew me in. The real issue has nothing to do with gun laws, or any other particular features of American society, it's just that every now and then lunatics show up, in every society, and sometimes do horrible damage before they're brought down. A sorry fact of life.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

When you start two wars in a decade you'll get people worked up. Then you have a real exciteable person like Palin on the loose, telling people-read men, to "man up." A dangrous politician like Palin just gets more people-read men here, pissed off. The people who will fight her stupid wars. When war comes, women can hide. Another sign of decline of the USA. The rhetoric is inflammatory and ignoble.

Palin like Bush smells fear and pounces on it. She is a baiter that has to be put away, the sooner the better.

 

[CDNBear]

When you start two wars in a decade you'll get people worked up. Then you have a real exciteable person like Palin on the loose, telling people-read men, to "man up." A dangrous politician like Palin just gets more people-read men here, pissed off. The people who will fight her stupid wars. When war comes, women can hide. Another sign of decline of the USA. The rhetoric is inflammatory and ignoble.

Palin like Bush smells fear and pounces on it. She is a baiter that has to be put away, the sooner the better.

Well said, no hate, no dumb politics....bravo.

It was good well it lasted...

And it only took three posts before someone just had to find someone to blame, except the actual criminal.

Awesome.

 

[El Barto]

This is the only type of thread about this kind of stuff I ever feel like contributing to. It's too easy to blame certain people and events and circumstances, and none of it gets to the real issue. The simple human concern and compassion expressed in the OP is what drew me in. The real issue has nothing to do with gun laws, or any other particular features of American society, it's just that every now and then lunatics show up, in every society, and sometimes do horrible damage before they're brought down. A sorry fact of life.

I really agree with this statement, that is a path too easily taken, an easy shot if you may, and one should not be so criticle on that level especially when it has happened in my own backyard......refffering to Polytechnic and Dawson College , not too long ago.
The victims are too easily over looked and forgotten.
I have that 9 year old girl on my mind.

 

[eh1eh]

Ok, lets get this over with.

All Americans are like Nazis.

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[CurioToo]

A couple of things on this topic - and thank you for the Opening Post Jellyfish - it was a rare and appreciated memo to those who live down here and often must bear the weight of criticism.

Interviewed this morning was the neighbor of the little 9-year old girl who was killed. The neighbor - a social worker - enjoyed having outings with her little friend next door and as the child is so "politically" keen - thought she would enjoy meeting the injured political figure in her own home town.

Sadly the child lost her life and her friend has had hip surgery where a bullet lodged - but is wholly consumed by the loss of the child.
What a terrible story for her to live through.

I shake my head at the public's hesitation to commit and restrain those with mental illness which clearly has shown in the past of the
shooter - he obviously wasn't operating on all his cylinders and I am confused that his parents never took the necessary steps to get the
help he should have had. If he had been physically impaired he would have been taken to see a doctor - why not an obvious mental illness???

We are still in the dark ages about accusations of mental problems -

 

[jellyfish16]

thank you all for reply. this incident made me think about this kind of criminals more.

 

[Colpy]

She is a baiter that has to be put away, the sooner the better.

my emphasis

And the problem is, of course, right-wing rhetoric that might lead to violence.

(sarcasm alert)

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[CurioToo]

Something positive has come from this tragedy

I don't know people from Tucson but whatever happened the horror of the event has not only united the locals but the nation as a group.
Obama's speech last night was the first one I have heard him speak as a President of ALL the people, not of the leader of his party only. I hope to see more unity among the people here who choose to work together rather than taking sides in all matters of public discourse.

People are joining together to help each other and those slain are being buried starting with the nine-year-old today. There is much to contemplate on how we are as a society if we can allow a very sick young man such power - such terrible power - before he was taken
in for help - I can't imagine why his parents let him loose on society unless they were terrified of him as well - but the could always call the police and get assistance but one never knows if he would have been restrained if they went to the trouble and if he was set loose
again what would he do to his family?

So, he shoots his imaginary (political) enemy and takes down others while he is on his spree.

The policies of the public are also sick when they allow such danger to roam free - like wild animals - instead of giving the help which is readily available.

Just found Obama's speech from last evening's ceremony - hope posting it is ok here

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/president-obamas-speech-at-the-tucson-memorial

 

[darkbeaver]

The president descends from Air Farce 1, a towering figure exuding concern and love he speaks of peace and reconciliation renewed hope and change ever the bearer of the positive message even while standing ankle deep in the gore of the latest episode of the great American theatre of mass shootings always a binding force in the nation. Will this at last be the last? Not bloody likely. There's is nothing better to hide the real news behind than an interactive cultural event. The American voter loves it. More ribbons please.

 

[JLM]

The president descends from Air Farce 1, a towering figure exuding concern and love he speaks of peace and reconciliation renewed hope and change ever the bearer of the positive message even while standing ankle deep in the gore of the latest episode of the great American theatre of mass shootings always a binding force in the nation. Will this at last be the last? Not bloody likely. There's is nothing better to hide the real news behind than an interactive cultural event. The American voter loves it. More ribbons please.

What would you have him do?

 

[lone wolf]

I think they should all ease up on the insults and bullying and set a better example.

 

[CurioToo]

Obama was not my choice for president in the last election....

.....but I want the message he attempted to come from anyone in power - from any political party - it is desperately needed that we as a nation have become torn and split and refuse to grant other opinion without rebuttal.

If we would all try to find compromise and solution, we might dig our way out of the cess pool we have (or which has been) created for ourselves.

I'm still a firm believer a nation of success isn't necessarily "ruled" by a party nor a monarch (or whatever honorarial title they may use) - I believe in leadership which reaches the majority who can work together rather than current political sabotaging the other and bragging about it the day after.

There is only one strong nation - when the people can find a meeting place and make their voices heard and a leadership who hear and act on those voices.

 

[darkbeaver]

What would you have him do?

Mind his own goddamn business of running that strange nation instead of piggy backin on the innocent dead at every opportunity.

Obama was not my choice for president in the last election....

.....but I want the message he attempted to come from anyone in power - from any political party - it is desperately needed that we as a nation have become torn and split and refuse to grant other opinion without rebuttal.

If we would all try to find compromise and solution, we might dig our way out of the cess pool we have (or which has been) created for ourselves.

I'm still a firm believer a nation of success isn't necessarily "ruled" by a party nor a monarch (or whatever honorarial title they may use) - I believe in leadership which reaches the majority who can work together rather than current political sabotaging the other and bragging about it the day after.

There is only one strong nation - when the people can find a meeting place and make their voices heard and a leadership who hear and act on those voices.

Any strong nation requires government which unreservedly fears the wrath of the people. This is no longer the case in the west where government has nothing but contempt for the people. This is the surest symptom of fascism. The people have no voice except that of the pretenders. The medium is the message and the medium is poverty disease and war.

 

[Trotz]

Mind his own goddamn business of running that strange nation instead of piggy backin on the innocent dead at every opportunity.

Any strong nation requires government which unreservedly fears the wrath of the people. This is no longer the case in the west where government has nothing but contempt for the people. This is the surest symptom of fascism. The people have no voice except that of the pretenders. The medium is the message and the medium is poverty disease and war.

We have Fascism? I guess we need not to worry, the last Fascists were pretty effective in protecting domestic industry, offering employment and promised to maintain the means of subsistence and were better at doing so than the Soviet Union ever was!

Fascism and National Socialism are long dead creatures and I wouldn't for a second claim that is what we have. We are living in a different and unprecedented age where the means of subsistence (what the employer has to pay us) is becoming globalized and to the lowest common denominator, a pot of rice and a cardboard shed, as oppose to the Canadian means of subsistence of a suburb home, 2.1 kids and an automobile.

I wish the Unions and Socialists would do something about this but they've been bought out decades ago by the same "bankers" that everyone seems to hate, I guess it's one of those Neo-Lenin "we must control the opposition" things, except from a dystopic-capitalist point of view.

 

[JLM]

Mind his own goddamn business of running that strange nation instead of piggy backin on the innocent dead at every opportunity.

Oooooh, I gather you are not an avid supporter! Who would be a better replacement?

 

[CurioToo]

The "voice of the people"

Unfortunately the media have taken over the voice of the people - speaking for the nation - whether split in ideology or not - they have
convinced the public they "speak for us". While some nod in agreement, there are the others who shake in the negative - and while
the media have other goals than taking over the nation - their primary desire is to survive and make a profit.

Then who do the people turn to - the media is necessary to reach the millions of people in their homes - even the tea parties in their afternoon "picnic" atmospheres could only reach a few - how can all the people be informed and educated about ALL the possibilities
of choice?

Is there some vehicle which can be utilized - untethered to personal ideology and political belief? I cannot fathom it. I often think what if each state has two representatives to govern the nation from the top - one from each major political party. Their staff could be limited and the information realized from each of the two representatives would not be campaigning against each other but struggling to find workable solution to working together. I believe the nation is far too large to have one 'king' or 'kingly personage'...
and I distrust one brain having that power of the old monarchy systems.

The only change I have hope for is to come from the people themselves - seeking their answers by sifting through the myriad of
crowing voices and printed words and sorting out the fly poop from the pepper - and even then that is perhaps all there is -

Would a "one leader" with a vision be an answer? That is what happened in ancient times but we have more modern methods of
hearing many voices and visions - or are we getting deeper into non-answers?

Very discouraging.