Time to end bogus bible references in the news

dumpthemonarchy

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There is no evidence that the two Asiatic people, Samson and Delilah ever existed. Using bogus Asiatic people as references in a news article is simply ignorance. The media has to start getting rid of such delusions. It is not modern or even true.

Here is the quote from the article below.


"Let’s not forget that it was the beautiful Delilah who discovered the secret of Samson’s power and betrayed him to the Philistines for money."


Sexy ‘swallows’ carry on Russian spying tradition


‘Honey traps’ preferred over more high-tech methods of gathering information



By Jon Stock, Vancouver Sun December 11, 2010

LONDON — Moscow Centre has a special word for Katia Zatuliveter, the 25-year-old Russian accused of spying in the House of Commons: a “swallow.” Intelligent and good-looking, with a penchant for short skirts, she quickly caught the eye of the Liberal Democrat MP Mike Hancock, who employed her as an assistant. But if MI5 is to be believed, their first meeting was anything but a chance encounter. It was orchestrated by the SVR, Russia’s foreign intelligence agency, and is the latest proof that the Cold War is far from over. And that sex is still good for a sting.
“Zatuliveter was extremely attractive and she was selling that, wearing short skirts all the time,” according to Nevena Marjanovic, a 26-year-old former colleague in Hancock’s office.
The Western media has branded Zatuliveter a “honey pot,” a gloriously old-fashioned term. In the 21st century, we expect spies to be practitioners of high-tech tradecraft, using gadgets made by the latest incarnation of Q, James Bond’s purveyor of exploding cigars. We also imagine spies to be in pursuit of nuclear codes and national secrets. Instead, we are presented with the spectacle of a young woman chatting up a 64-year-old bearded Lothario from Portsmouth South.
On the surface, it all sounds rather mundane and low-tech. As for use of sexual attraction, surely it has been displaced by more advanced forms of entrapment? Not a bit of it. Spying is, after all, the second oldest profession and its practitioners have always exploited carnal weaknesses to extract information.


Let’s not forget that it was the beautiful Delilah who discovered the secret of Samson’s power and betrayed him to the Philistines for money.


Fast forward to last summer: flame-haired Anna Chapman, 28, dubbed a “modern-day Bond girl,” was arrested on suspicion of working as part of a spy ring in New York.
Nevertheless, Zatuliveter’s calculated sexual entrapment seems rather un-British. We wouldn’t really imagine fellow Brits, even someone like Hancock, with his reported weakness for women, falling into such an unsubtle trap. It’s surely more Austin Powers than John le Carré. Wrong.
The Eastern Bloc’s intelligence agencies have always believed that the West is obsessed with sex. “There were a number of times when honeytraps were laid before me,” Sir Christopher Meyer, former British ambassador to Washington, told the Today program this week.
“But I resisted the foul temptation of the Soviets, who gnashed their teeth with frustration as I rejected both homo- and heterosexual advances. Honeytraps were always around in the old Soviet days. It’s a very traditional country and that includes its intelligence services, so I’m not at all surprised to hear that they are still honey-trapping away in the House of Commons.”
Giles Whittell, author of Bridge of Spies, a new book about the golden days of Russian illegals, agrees.
“I don’t think they have ever stopped using traditional spying techniques. It is a fetish for them. There was a lull when the Soviet Union collapsed, but one of the first things Putin did when he came to power was to invest heavily in espionage all around the world. There are now many Russian illegals in the U.S., possibly hundreds, including one operative who I’m reliably informed has seduced every FBI agent assigned to shut her down.”
In 1955, John Vassall, a homosexual clerk working for the naval attache at the British embassy in Moscow, was lured to a drunken party. Afterwards, he was shown photographs taken by the KGB, who had dispatched male “ravens” (as opposed to swallows) to seduce him. For the next eight years, he spied for Russia.
At about the same time, the foreign intelligence division of the Stasi in East Germany was dispatching a number of male “Romeo spies” to seduce secretaries working for the government in West Germany. More than 40 women were eventually prosecuted for passing on secrets to their lovers, not realizing they were foreign agents.
“When it began, I had no idea of the harvest it would bring,” Markus (Mischa) Wolf, the accomplished Stasi spymaster, said later. (Interestingly, he believed that more secrets would be revealed through love rather than from brief sexual encounters. One secretary went on to marry her lover in a fake marriage staged by the Stasi.)
In July 2009, a British diplomat, James Hudson, was covertly filmed by the FSB, successor to the KGB, cavorting in a hotel room with two Russian prostitutes. He resigned. And on a trade delegation to China last year, one of Gordon Brown’s senior aides went to a hotel disco in Shanghai and spent the night with an attractive Chinese woman. The next morning, he reported that his government BlackBerry had been stolen.
Hancock was a well-known womanizer, making him an ideal target for a honey trap. Hoping to avoid the attentions of MI5, the SVR turned to Zatuliveter to do the job rather than to one of the 30 to 35 intelligence officers who work under diplomatic cover at the embassy in London.
Britain is also of enormous interest to the Chinese Ministry of State Security. China and Russia are desperate to find out anything that might give them a commercial or political edge. Hancock sat on the Defence Select Committee, and his office had issued questions to government departments about Britain’s nuclear arsenal.
“The U.K. is a high-priority espionage target, and a number of countries are actively seeking U.K. information and material to advance their own military, technological, political and economic programs,” says MI5 on its website.
“We estimate that at least 20 foreign intelligence services are operating to some degree against U.K. interests. Of greatest concern are the Russians and Chinese. The number of Russian intelligence officers in London has not fallen since Soviet times.”


Jon Stock is the author of Dead Spy Running

 

petros

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The number of Russian intelligence officers in London has not fallen since Soviet times.”
When Eatons became the Bay they still employed the same number of people. Oh my, the retail war is long from over.
 

Dexter Sinister

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"Let’s not forget that it was the beautiful Delilah who discovered the secret of Samson’s power and betrayed him to the Philistines for money."
I haven't read the story for a long time so my memory of the details may be faulty, but it appears to be an accurate reference to a widely known story so it's a useful way to illustrate the longevity of that entrapment technique. It was known 5000 years or so ago and it still works. What's bogus about that?
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I take most bible stories with a grain of salt. I don't see the harm in someone following a faith if it gives them comfort and they're not blowing up airplanes. Speaking of airplanes, do the Scientologists really believe that aliens flew DC 10's into volcanoes.
 

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"On the eighth day, God got up late, pulled up a palm near the Garden of Eden, brushed his teeth, and went for a stroll along the Athabasca Tar Sands! God said, 'Let there be no tailing ponds!" And, it was good for a while."
- Genesis 20:10
 

petros

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"On the eighth day, God got up late, pulled up a palm near the Garden of Eden, brushed his teeth, and went for a stroll along the Athabasca Tar Sands! God said, 'Let there be no tailing ponds!" And, it was good for a while."
- Genesis 20:10
Later that afternoon he went fishing in McLean Lake and has been taking iodine ever since.
 

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I take most bible stories with a grain of salt. I don't see the harm in someone following a faith if it gives them comfort and they're not blowing up airplanes. Speaking of airplanes, do the Scientologists really believe that aliens flew DC 10's into volcanoes.

Or blowing up countries from aeroplanes!
 

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These two were the modern version of Adam and Eve were they not? There hadn't been a couple
in so much trouble since Adam and Eve and in order to have a new plot line for a good religious
soap they needed two more characters. Imagine how our society sunk, when the best the modern
world could come up with was Bonnie and Clyde, at least the plot got much better. The Bible would
be more diversified if we had some modern day characters. until now we had one central figure,
Jesus he did everything right up until Trudeau came along. Scripture just ends and a good soap
should always keep moving, maybe we could all get together and write a new Bible with some real
modern day characters and situations. As for the suggestion we get rid of Samson and Delilah,
I thought they were a nice touch. Up until then the Bible only dealt with war, slavery, killing, and a
whole lot of begetting. This was a different story like going to the Bible Movies or something.
I ask this question, can't people find something more important to get all worked up about?
 

YukonJack

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I can fully sympathize with Samson. For the religiously challenged, he was the dude in the Bible, who lost all his strength when his hair was shorn by his unfaithful lover, Delilah. Then, the poor bugger was dragged around, with midgets snapping donkey jaws at him, kind of like present day mental midgets are snapping their own donkey jaws at people they could not hold a candle to, like Sarah Palin or George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan.

I had a haircut today and then I went bowling. Had one of my worst days ever. Just like poor Samson.
 

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I can fully sympathize with Samson. For the religiously challenged, he was the dude in the Bible, who lost all his strength when his hair was shorn by his unfaithful lover, Delilah. Then, the poor bugger was dragged around, with midgets snapping donkey jaws at him, kind of like present day mental midgets are snapping their own donkey jaws at people they could not hold a candle to, like Sarah Palin or George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan.

I had a haircut today and then I went bowling. Had one of my worst days ever. Just like poor Samson.

You support sarak Palin - now look at the top of your head - then sightly down from there you will note a scar from the operation.

Think this should explain you support for El Wing Nutto Palin.

YouTube - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Part 13 of 13

I can fully sympathize with Samson. For the religiously challenged, he was the dude in the Bible, who lost all his strength when his hair was shorn by his unfaithful lover, Delilah. Then, the poor bugger was dragged around, with midgets snapping donkey jaws at him, kind of like present day mental midgets are snapping their own donkey jaws at people they could not hold a candle to, like Sarah Palin or George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan.

I had a haircut today and then I went bowling. Had one of my worst days ever. Just like poor Samson.

You support Sarah Palin

It was not a haircut you had - Check the scar?
YouTube - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Part 13 of 13