Report details U.S. letting in Nazis after WWII
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This is something new? This was the foundation of the American Space Program, wasn't it?
I thought this was common knowledge? Same thing with the Russians & their Space Program.
I thought this was common knowledge? Same thing with the Russians & their Space Program.
Please include Canada. SS Soldier, known to the Govt were allowed to emigrate to Canada yet Jews were turned away.
Indeed.... and all the Jews our nations wouldn't accept ended up being plopped in the Middle East where other people used to call home, we created a nation for them and told all those who used to live there to suck it up..... all the while our nations accepted the Nazis that created the mess the Jews went through and the aftermath of tossing them all in the Middle East which produced the wars and conflicts that are currently going on in the Middle East as we speak.
Two wrongs create a bigger wrong.... and that wrong is what we're all still dealing with today, with the Gaza/West Bank/Israel/Iran BS that some nations are trying to drag us all into...... most of those nations whom were responsible for all this mess in the first place.
I guess you should read up on how many new countries we have in the world over the past 2 hundred years or so - Poland comes to mind. Kosovo - Another - I am leaving now otherwise i am sure i could lst a few more.
Read how the Jews voted to accept a much smaller parcel of land than what is presently held.
The Arabs said no and went to War.
The Jews have as much right to their own country as any other that at one time were erased by War and are now present on the world scene.
Antisemitism wasn't so simple as being limited to Germany. The irony, despite Nazi rule, was that German Jews were the most integrated in Europe.
Considering how the Germans often got their racial inspiration from the Americans (i.e. Charleton S. Coon and other American Anthropologists who contributed to German Racialism)...
The irony in that, if the concentration camps were discovered in 1942/43 as opposed to 1945, the Anti-War movement in the United States would have been more popular than historically...
Just like in Eastern Europe, the Germans found that as long as you blamed everything on Jews than the local Slavs and Balts often ate it up.
I am not agreeing with those things but the fact remains is that Antisemitism was common everywhere back then, heck it was even showing up in Japan!
Considering how the Germans often got their racial inspiration from the Americans (i.e. Charleton S. Coon and other American Anthropologists who contributed to German Racialism)...
The irony in that, if the concentration camps were discovered in 1942/43 as opposed to 1945, the Anti-War movement in the United States would have been more popular than historically...
Just like in Eastern Europe, the Germans found that as long as you blamed everything on Jews than the local Slavs and Balts often ate it up.
I am not agreeing with those things but the fact remains is that Antisemitism was common everywhere back then, heck it was even showing up in Japan!
It wasn't their land to make deals with:
"After 1945, Britain found itself in fierce conflict with the Jewish community, as the Haganah joined Irgun and Lehi in armed struggle against British rule.[73] At the same time, thousands of Jewish refugees from Europe sought shelter in Palestine and were turned away or rounded up and placed in detention camps by the British. In 1947, the British government withdrew from the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[74] The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, which sought to divide the country into two states—one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city—a corpus separatum—administered by the UN.[75]
The Jewish community accepted the plan,[76] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[77] On December 1, 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets.[78] Jews were initially on the defensive as civil war broke out, but they gradually moved onto the offensive.[79] The Palestinian Arab economy collapsed and 250,000 Palestinian-Arabs fled or were expelled."
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^ You had a bunch of Jewish refuges headed to Palestine and were either A) Turned away or B) rounded up by the British and tossed into more detention centres and the already existing Arab community didn't want thousands upon thousands of refuges to come along and take over their lands..... the British understood this and saw that there was no middle ground..... yet the UN came along and dictated what was going to happen, which was the land was going to be divided up between the Arabs and the Jews, regardless of what those already living there thought.
Tell me something..... how equally divided is that land now?
Tell me another thing...... do you not see why the conflict in the middle east exists in the first place?
I love how our country, the US and most other Western nations support Israel so damn blindly and always pit the muslims in the area as the evil bad guys only out to wipe all the Jewish people out of existence, and act as though they have no justified reasons for their hatred towards Israel other then being anti-Semites....... when in reality, it was our western nations and the UN that created this situation in the first place because our own nations didn't want to deal with the Jewish communities in our own countries...... so we passed our problems off to others to deal with, we shoved those same people out from their own homes, stuck them in little ghettos, allowed Israel to further attack and expand their borders against their neighbors, further isolating these communities in even smaller ghettos and allowing Israel to keep them isolated from the rest of the world, continually starving and depriving these people of the necessities of life due to blockades, out of fears that they might get the equipment to build a shoddy rocket that more often then not, never hits any target, but rather fizzles out into an empty field, because that's all they have to make their voices heard.
Then when one of these missiles randomly hits something or wounds someone, suddenly it's time to send their entire military after these people, use them as human shields, drop cluster bombs on heavily civilian populated areas, as well as white phosphorous ordinance...... killing, maiming and further adding venom to countless of already deprived and destitute people who have very little to lose as it is, let alone any decent means to fight.
And then when Israel feels they demolished these people into rubble enough for the time being, they take more land and build upon it, continually thumb their nose at these people and their continued concerns of development on disputed lands, continually hold blockades and bomb any means of them trying to get food, electricity, water and supplies, assassinate whatever leaders they have left, continually destabilizing whatever government they have left..... which in turn makes these people more apt to supporting those who can voice and vent their frustrations..... ie: Hezbollah......
It's a classic case of who can you trust more..... the corrupt police or the mafia? Who can or will offer you the best protection and give you the closest thing to a life?
Ah yes, "Their own country" you say..... they have as much right do they?
Expect some natives to come knocking on your door later today to kick you out of your own home..... because after all, at one time the place you call home was once someone else's home..... so because their ancestor's home used to be on the land you now call home, do they have the right to drag you off your own property and leave you out on the streets?
I don't care what someone says.... I'll be damned if I'd tolerate someone coming to my home and telling me to gtfo cuz it's now their home because some fairy tale religious book once claimed God gave his or her ancestors this land to live on...... when in comparison, I, my family and generations of my family before have lived in this same area for centuries.... and still live here.
What happens when in another couple of hundred years my descendants come along and tell these people's descendants to gtfo out because at one time I used to live here and it's rightfully theirs?
I've heard of all the wonderful countries that came and gone over the last number of years, but most of those countries were either created or ended due mostly to internal affairs, governments folding, revolution, etc...... not often is it that we see a collective of countries feel guilty towards one group of people that they just create a country where another country existed and forced everybody who used to live there to be crammed in little ghettos that shrink year by year due to the ever expanding new nation of unfortunate people who think everything around them is rightfully theirs and then cry foul when these people who were forced out of their own homes and lands get fed up and retaliate due to their continual oppression from not just Israel, but the global community who view these people as scum that should be shoved off into the sea to be forgotten about.
Oh and Israel wasn't created after another country was erased by War..... that other country was erased by the clowns who fought in the war that preceded.
They could have created a designated area in Canada for the Jews to have their own nation (we're big enough to accommodate) and even the US could have squeezed a number of Jewish people into their nation, yet none of that was done or offered..... instead we looked at some Arabs in the deserts and figured they wouldn't mind having all these people suddenly showing up at their door stop and telling them they gotta go because it's no longer their country.
They were on obtaining what was rightfully their land and formimg a Country - argue all you want but they were a sovereign country at one time.
And so were our indigenous peoples. Are you willing to accept being evicted so the sovereign nation of Cree or whoever lived on that land before you? The Jews did not have a country there for over 2 thousand years, The indigenous people have only been displaced (in the west) for less than 2 hundred. Who has more right to claim a home land?
Point being: "AT ONE TIME"
Things change, another sovereign country already existed there, yet you're still defending one wrong done to correct some other wrong, which only created a bigger mess that we now get to hear about in the news every single day.
Before the Roman Empire, there was the Greek Empire..... shall we now somehow remove the country Italy in order to re-establish either of these empires, simply because they existed at one time?
Sorry, but that's a piss poor excuse for what was done and in the end, it changes nothing in regards to what's going on today.
Argue all you want..... but those shoved out of Israel for the Jews to live are pissed off and angry and whether you think they're right or wrong for their views towards Israel and what was done to them is irrelevant..... this is how it is.
How would you feel if some organization outside of Canada suddenly decided that your province was going to be split in half and owned by China or the US, and that regardless of your personal views and because the part of the province being taken over is where you live, you either accept your new rulers along with their way of life and their laws and accept being a 2nd class citizen for the rest of your life..... or get kicked out and placed in some dismal ghetto where nobody has to hear from you?
I know I'd be a little pissed and I probably wouldn't take it lying down either.
Oh but I suppose in your view, that's a different matter.
And the Arab Leadership at the time created much of the hatred that you see today. Argue all you want it was a sovereign country - The Jews had no safe country - now they do - That is one subtle difference that many set aside.
Kosovo became a country based upon assimilation where the Serbs became a minority and the pure genocidal policies of Serbia.
And the other part being set aside by many is that yes, the Jews now have a "Safe" country..... at the expense of other people losing the country they used to call home and considered safe.
In a nut shell, these people were punished and stripped of their homes because of what may or may not have happened thousands of years ago based on some book an average human wrote up that claimed that area was at one time home for the Jewish people.... because God said so.
Even if the Jews did call that place home thousands of years ago.... the Jews who lived at that time and who actually did call that place home are long dead, and so too are the people who may have pushed them out of that land...... now you have completely different generations who have lived where they lived for centuries up until the aftermath of WWII, and because of many of the Jewish people no longer wanting to live in Europe because of everything that happened..... suddenly they now have the right to this land that hasn't been theirs for centuries and they have the right to shove these people out of their land and their homes because of a sympathy card played to the UN..... and also because many Western nations didn't want to deal with the Jews in their own countries, so now they have their own "Safe" country, at the expense of these other people who were clearly treated unjustly.
These people weren't the ones who tried to exterminate the Jews in WWII, so why punish them by turning their country into another country for all of the Jews to live in and then give these people the boot?
It would have made more sense to turn Germany into Israel and boot all the Germans and Nazi supporters out of their own country instead...... that would have been justice..... bitter sweet too if you ask me.
You claim many set aside the issues that this whole thing created..... which is simple for many to do because it doesn't affect you or mostly anybody else...... and because of this ignorant point of view, you think these people in Gaza and the West Bank should set aside what was done to them and what's still being done to them.
Well I got news for ya...... they're obviously not about to set it all aside to continually live in squalor and oppression against a tyrant nation hell bent to exact punishment and injustices on these people for their own sadistic pleasures of vengeance towards what was done to their parents and grand parents in WWII.
Until you understand what's really going on, you'll never understand how to end it..... you can preach about all the rainbows and hippy-hugs that will solve all the world's problems all you wish, but in reality, none of that Care Bear BS will make any difference so long as you don't bother to fully understand what started these types of conflicts in the first place.
And excusing what was done, trivializing what a group of people had to go through and telling them to just accept what was done and move on, isn't going to solve a damn thing....... nor will trivializing these people and their problems as terrorists simply out to exterminate a population of people based on what religion they are or are not.
It goes far deeper then that typical BS propaganda.
God never said that. Not at all. None. Zero. Nada. No
In fact God completely rejected the Jews.
It's impossible to be a true Jesus following Christian and support Israel in any way shape or form.
And yet many do and see Jews as their "Brothers" since both Christians and Jewish people believe in the same God.... just that Christians follow God's son a little more and Jews don't believe the Egyptian Sun God rip off story of Jesus being the son of God.
Minor technicality
Christianity only has one Bible which this arguement is based on. The First 33 books were the first contracts with God through Moses and Abraham.
Things were great until along came an angel & demon congering decadent pig King Solomon who trashed God's law and the tribes collapsed.
One, just one tribe and it's priests and scribes wanted to keep those man made laws laws and lifetsyle going and began fighting with all it neighbouring tribes until it got to the point of all or nothing and King David came and saved the day but that all fell apart after he passed on and his son became a thug through corruption of that one tribe who never kept God's laws.
God liked David and knew his genes were worthy so he decided the only way to truly break this contract with these thugs was to come to earth in the flesh through the line of David and die in the flesh like it said in their laws, not the ones they rejected from God.
So God came to earth and started in giving his new laws in person and to people aka the New Covenant/Testament (contract) and lay it all out in person and then gave them the option of in or out and tricked them into killing his flesh to break off any dealings or any contractual obligations with the Jews unless they accepted this New Covenant/Testament.
Just like a marriage is voided when one of the two dies they are free to marry again so was the Old Testament broken and the New Testament put in place.
Jesus was very very very clear that it was done and over upon his death. Some of the tribal leaders took the deal and others didn't.
So if you are willing to against the words of Jesus/God and support this last remaining tribe and it's decadent Solomonic demon wrangling ways then you, not some red beast are the Anti-Christ.
No where in the New Covenant does it say the Judeans are to inheirit anything unless they accept the New deal?
Things were great until along came an angel & demon congering decadent pig King Solomon who trashed God's law and the tribes collapsed.
One, just one tribe and it's priests and scribes wanted to keep those man made laws laws and lifetsyle going and began fighting with all it neighbouring tribes until it got to the point of all or nothing and King David came and saved the day but that all fell apart after he passed on and his son became a thug through corruption of that one tribe who never kept God's laws.
God liked David and knew his genes were worthy so he decided the only way to truly break this contract with these thugs was to come to earth in the flesh through the line of David and die in the flesh like it said in their laws, not the ones they rejected from God.
So God came to earth and started in giving his new laws in person and to people aka the New Covenant/Testament (contract) and lay it all out in person and then gave them the option of in or out and tricked them into killing his flesh to break off any dealings or any contractual obligations with the Jews unless they accepted this New Covenant/Testament.
Just like a marriage is voided when one of the two dies they are free to marry again so was the Old Testament broken and the New Testament put in place.
Jesus was very very very clear that it was done and over upon his death. Some of the tribal leaders took the deal and others didn't.
So if you are willing to against the words of Jesus/God and support this last remaining tribe and it's decadent Solomonic demon wrangling ways then you, not some red beast are the Anti-Christ.
No where in the New Covenant does it say the Judeans are to inheirit anything unless they accept the New deal?