Quote: Originally Posted by Goober
I guess you should read up on how many new countries we have in the world over the past 2 hundred years or so - Poland comes to mind. Kosovo - Another - I am leaving now otherwise i am sure i could lst a few more.
Read how the Jews voted to accept a much smaller parcel of land than what is presently held.
The Arabs said no and went to War.
It wasn't their land to make deals with:
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^ You had a bunch of Jewish refuges headed to Palestine and were either A) Turned away or B) rounded up by the British and tossed into more detention centres and the already existing Arab community didn't want thousands upon thousands of refuges to come along and take over their lands..... the British understood this and saw that there was no middle ground..... yet the UN came along and dictated what was going to happen, which was the land was going to be divided up between the Arabs and the Jews, regardless of what those already living there thought.
Tell me something..... how equally divided is that land now?
Tell me another thing...... do you not see why the conflict in the middle east exists in the first place?
I love how our country, the US and most other Western nations support Israel so damn blindly and always pit the muslims in the area as the evil bad guys only out to wipe all the Jewish people out of existence, and act as though they have no justified reasons for their hatred towards Israel other then being anti-Semites....... when in reality, it was our western nations and the UN that created this situation in the first place because our own nations didn't want to deal with the Jewish communities in our own countries...... so we passed our problems off to others to deal with, we shoved those same people out from their own homes, stuck them in little ghettos, allowed Israel to further attack and expand their borders against their neighbors, further isolating these communities in even smaller ghettos and allowing Israel to keep them isolated from the rest of the world, continually starving and depriving these people of the necessities of life due to blockades, out of fears that they might get the equipment to build a shoddy rocket that more often then not, never hits any target, but rather fizzles out into an empty field, because that's all they have to make their voices heard.
Then when one of these missiles randomly hits something or wounds someone, suddenly it's time to send their entire military after these people, use them as human shields, drop cluster bombs on heavily civilian populated areas, as well as white phosphorous ordinance...... killing, maiming and further adding venom to countless of already deprived and destitute people who have very little to lose as it is, let alone any decent means to fight.
And then when Israel feels they demolished these people into rubble enough for the time being, they take more land and build upon it, continually thumb their nose at these people and their continued concerns of development on disputed lands, continually hold blockades and bomb any means of them trying to get food, electricity, water and supplies, assassinate whatever leaders they have left, continually destabilizing whatever government they have left..... which in turn makes these people more apt to supporting those who can voice and vent their frustrations..... ie: Hezbollah......
It's a classic case of who can you trust more..... the corrupt police or the mafia? Who can or will offer you the best protection and give you the closest thing to a life?
The Jews have as much right to their own country as any other that at one time were erased by War and are now present on the world scene.
Ah yes, "Their own country" you say..... they have as much right do they?
Expect some natives to come knocking on your door later today to kick you out of your own home..... because after all, at one time the place you call home was once someone else's home..... so because their ancestor's home used to be on the land you now call home, do they have the right to drag you off your own property and leave you out on the streets?
I don't care what someone says.... I'll be damned if I'd tolerate someone coming to my home and telling me to gtfo cuz it's now their home because some fairy tale religious book once claimed God gave his or her ancestors this land to live on...... when in comparison, I, my family and generations of my family before have lived in this same area for centuries.... and still live here.
What happens when in another couple of hundred years my descendants come along and tell these people's descendants to gtfo out because at one time I used to live here and it's rightfully theirs?
I've heard of all the wonderful countries that came and gone over the last number of years, but most of those countries were either created or ended due mostly to internal affairs, governments folding, revolution, etc...... not often is it that we see a collective of countries feel guilty towards one group of people that they just create a country where another country existed and forced everybody who used to live there to be crammed in little ghettos that shrink year by year due to the ever expanding new nation of unfortunate people who think everything around them is rightfully theirs and then cry foul when these people who were forced out of their own homes and lands get fed up and retaliate due to their continual oppression from not just Israel, but the global community who view these people as scum that should be shoved off into the sea to be forgotten about.
Oh and Israel wasn't created after another country was erased by War..... that other country was erased by the clowns who fought in the war that preceded.
They could have created a designated area in Canada for the Jews to have their own nation (we're big enough to accommodate) and even the US could have squeezed a number of Jewish people into their nation, yet none of that was done or offered..... instead we looked at some Arabs in the deserts and figured they wouldn't mind having all these people suddenly showing up at their door stop and telling them they gotta go because it's no longer their country.