Israel would make 1 and only 1 large air strike - most likely flying thru with their permission, Saudi airspace. The Saudi's could only play dumb for so long - After the 1st and only air strike the jets - those that get back would have to be refueled, armed etc for an attack by possibly Syria, Hezbollah would definitely be in the game -
As to Nukes - Do you think Israel would use nukes?
As to Iran not working on Nukes read the IAEA reports - Whether they want enough to be able to assemble a bomb or bombs is the loaded question - I think they will assemble and test detonate a warhead.
Read the various speeches by the Iranian Elite - Iran realized back in the late 80's they need a nuclear capability - one reason would be to deter attacks - The other is now the question -
With Nuke Iran would cause more destabilization in the Mid East - Criley - Every one would want the same capability - Then what
Perhaps Iran threatens Israel if the pound to hard on Hezbollah - Then what - Same with Hamas - Israel would be boxed in Militarily with the threat of an Iranian attack.
One Nuke makes Israel uninhabitable. Just one.
Iran has the capability to hit any target it want within a 2,000 mile radius. Now.
Speculation on who'd join who based on what. Israel could also just send a bunch of ships, though they'd have a little bit of traveling to do. If Israel did attack first before any solid evidence or facts were established, then I don't see any reason why our nation should jump aboard and fight their fight..... we already did that for the US and look where it got us.
And if Israel did attack Iran first, who's to blame?
I don't think so, in fact, that'd be enough justification for Iran to do whatever it is they might be planning, if they were planning anything in the first place.
Secondly, do you think any of Israel's neighbors would willingly allow Israel to send a massive attack force through their air space, or any of their space for that matter, in order to start a war that neighboring country would be pinned between?
Let's say Saudi A. did allow Israel to do as you suggest..... not only would they already be dealing with Iraq and the instability there, but they'd be also dealing with Israel taking shots at Iran over their territory..... and also be dealing with Iran, based on your above assumptions, lobbing missiles and other military attacks over their air space as well.
Eventually either Israel or Iran would directly affect Saudi A's people, territory or worse..... and then Saudi A get's dragged into this conflict and siding against whoever attacked them first.
If I was leading Saudi A..... I wouldn't be making any such deals of letting either country go through mine to start some petty unjustified war.
Do you think Iran would?
Anybody who uses nuclear weapons in that area, regardless of who they targeted, would end up giving one or more neighbors, fallout. Once that happens, expect whoever get's the fallout to go against whoever shot that nuke.
Anybody who uses nukes, be that Israel or Iran, would be total idiots..... thus freaking over whether or not Iran is working on nukes or just power is an attempt at baseless fear mongering.
I've seen their reports along with a number of other reports since this whole debacle began and there is still zero evidence of them working on Nuclear Weapons. There were claims that they found enriched uranium that they "Could" develop further into nuclear weapon material....... COULD
That's not proof they would or are..... they "could."
Not enough to use to justify a large-scale war with Iran, based on "Could"
The US "Could" launch all their nuclear weapons and kill everything on the surface of the planet...... is that evidence that they will?
And the other parts of those reports claiming that their inspectors weren't allowed in certain areas is also a baseless source of evidence.
Before Iraq was invaded, it was argued that because inspectors were not allowed in every place they requested, that that was evidence that they were hiding WMD's..... yet none were ever found.
I bet you that if you sent inspectors into the US to check up on a few things, those inspectors wouldn't be allowed to go everywhere they asked and the excuse would be something along the lines of "National Security."
^ That would be tolerated, yet if it's another country we don't like, say Iraq or Iran, I guess we're supposed to automatically assume they're hiding something and what they're hiding is what we assume they're hiding?
That's a real great way to royally screw up and end up looking like an *** when the dust settles.
Considering at that same time, the fears of Israel already having nukes supplied by the US which Israel still won't openly admit..... and considering in the Middle East the most aggressive nation there over the last couple of decades has been Israel who have attacked their neighbors for territory they claim is theirs and have continually been aggressive towards their neighbors since they were put there..... I'd be a little fearful of Israel having nukes and possibly using them against me..... thus it would be logical to obtain nukes to defend myself from such an aggressor.
But Saying is one thing..... Doing is another.
At this stage, from the moment Iran announced they were working on developing Nuclear technology, they have clearly stated they need to for power and development of their own nation. So many other nations around them have finger pointed at their pollution and dependency on oil/coal for their power...... and while many other nations have nuclear power and while Iran is permitted to seek nuclear power based on their agreements made in the nuclear non-proliferation treaty they signed, which Canada signed as well (and we have nuclear power too don't forget)...... suddenly, they're not allowed to seek nuclear energy unless they get their resources from us and they're not allowed to develop their own technology independently.
^ I call BS on that because I don't remember any allied nation being constrained to such limitations and it's unfair treatment with no justifications other then paranoia.
Oh please, don't act like Iran's the first to seek nuclear weapons as a means of defence/deterrence...... both the Soviet Union and the US stock piled millions of nuclear weapons over the decades as a means of deterrent, which later led to other nations doing the same thing...... it was the main reason why Israel was given nukes in the first place...... it was perfectly fine and ok for all of these nations to do this..... yet suddenly now that Iran "Might" be seeking the same deterrents, it's wrong.... it'll promote more nations to do the same.......
This sh*t ball started rolling with the Cold War..... don't blame Iran for a ball that's already been rolling for some time now.
Let's say Iran is building a nuke..... you could blame Iran for destabilizing the Middle East....... but I think it's more accurate to blame the US for giving Israel nukes in the first place which in turn was the main reason the Middle East has been destabilized for so long and is why any of Israel's neighbors might seek nuclear weapons themselves.
When it's just a fist fight, that's one thing...... once someone brings a knife into the fight, things escalate.... once someone brings a gun, things escalate...... once one country gets a hold of nukes...... don't expect the situation to not escalate.
Like I truly care...... Israel is not my nation, I signed no obligation to defend their country and based on recent history, Israel has been the only nation recently in that area to use military aggression against its neighbors, and if they keep on doing what they're doing, eventually somebody's gonna do something about it.
Besides, you're basing your entire argument on speculations, assumptions and "What-Ifs"
And you make it sound like Israel has a right to regularly pound the crap out of Gaza or the West Bank.... just not "Too Hard"
I suppose using white phosphorous bombs and cluster bombs in heavily civilian populated areas while using human shields isn't Hard enough for your liking?
One Nuke can make a number of small countries in the world uninhabitable..... give me one reason why I should care about Israel over any of those other smaller countries.
Regardless of all of this, you're still supporting military action against a sovereign nation based on zero evidence and facts..... just What If's and assumptions to be on the safe side.
As I said, we've already seen where that road takes us...... Twice..... I will not support a third.
And don't get me wrong.... I support our military and our troops..... but I will never support an unjustified invasion, occupation or any other form of military aggression on another sovereign nation without solid facts & evidence to justify our troops being sent halfway around the world to be blown up in some war.
And none of our leaders should be sending our men and women off to risk serious injury or death based on assumptions and what-if's.
And to add to that..... when was the last time Iran started a war with another nation?
Believe it or not, Iran overall is a passive nation in regards to dealing with it's neighbors...... compared to some countries out there.
And all this hysteria about a crazy president and fanatical Muslim fundamentalist regimes is nothing compared to the bunch of Christian fundamentalist loonies they just voted into the house of representatives.
Do have ANY idea how insane this is??????
I suggest you read up on Islamic fundamentalism in general, and Iran in particular.
Because, obviously, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Ref Saudi - Theare Sunni - Wahabi Sunni and Iran is Shia - They hate each others existence
- they look upon the other as almost heretics - Saudi does look upon Iran as the pure enemy - and yes they could let the Israel's fly thru once - just once and play dumb.
And I ask you, Have you ever been to Iran? All you have is a bunch of propaganda from the fear factory. You don't know these people personally and it seems to me that nobody at the fear factory does either. I have watched the lead up to the Vietnam war, the War on Iraq and the invasion of Afghanistan and I know hate propaganda when I see it and I know how that inevitably leads to war. It is intentional. It is designed to demonize the enemy and sway public support to invasion.
I don't have to know more than I do about fundamentalisms of any sort. They are all nuts cases on every side. The loons at the Pentagon and in Washington are no less dangerous than those in Iran. Nothing but death and destruction will come out of this escalation in political rhetoric and anybody who supports this kind of stupidity will have an equal amount of blood on their hands as the perpetrators. But I have no doubt that the insanity will continue as long as their are sheeple who believe that armed conflict is the answer to everything.
I am not saying your wrong, but the key phrase you made was "I have watched". You observed from afar, read and were shown pictures of what they wanted you to see to make a point one way or another. When you have actually been someplace and have seen for yourself you do come up with a more realistic comprehension of the situation.