Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Would neutering the goat and returning it to the wild have been the answer?
I don't see how that would reduce its territorial behavior.... I'd suspect lopping off his nards would have just made him more pissed off.
Quote: Originally Posted by talloola
it was only one cranky goat, not the whole of the species, and that particular goat has been getting
himself into trouble on other occasions, and in my lifetime we have shared this earth with mountain
goats just fine, until this miserable one decided he was going to act like a possessive human, and not
share anything with anyone, sometimes the tides turn.
I don't see it as a big problem at all, and I believe life will go on with mountain goats just fine.
Indeed... most mountain goats, regardless of how territorial they are, very rarely reach such a level of aggression as what this one did and I don't foresee hoards of humans flocking to the mountains to cull thousands of blood thirsty mountain goats.
I see this situation similar to a human trait:
You got your normal mountain goats who are territorial and might get in your face or try and stand you down, but are harmless for the most part..... and then you have the a-typical mountain goat who goes beyond normal response, full-out attacks anything it doesn't like, and in this case, ended up killing someone.
It's similar to how most humans when drunk are just annoying and a lot of hot air.... but every so often, you get the one asshat who purposely gets into everybody's face, constantly trying to pick fights and show off as if it's their given right to be a total d*ck........ if that idiot is continually left alone and allowed to continue his antics regardless of how much of a threat he is to those around him, somebody's going to get seriously injured or killed, thus something needs to be done to that one bad example.
In regards to animals in cases like this, they're usually either relocated or they're removed from the equation altogether.
Just because the greater majority of a particular population is harmless and pose no risk, doesn't mean we should allow the couple of bad apples in the group to get away with whatever they please and therefore allowed to escalate their aggression.
This goat clearly had a history of aggression and attacking people and a number of tactics were used to try and change his ways and nothing was done until he finally ended up killing someone, intentionally or not is irrelevant..... it was high time someone got his goat.
Should have been done sooner if you ask me..... sooner as in before he killed someone.
Some here might claim it was the fault of the 63 year old man for simply being in the park in the first place..... yet would those same people feel the same way if it was someone's 4 year old kid that was gorged and killed, even though the parent(s) actually tried to fend it off?
As I see it, the whole argument of the 63 year old being in his territory, thus it being his own fault is a tad baseless and contradictory. That goat only had territory there in the first place because Humans made that area a National Park.... which is still technically territory of humans designated for being a safe environment for animals so those animals can have and maintain a territory in the first place...... at the same time those animals are given area to actually have territory and an area free of humans hunting and killing them, it's still a National Park designated for us humans to venture into and explore..... thus that 63 year old man had every right to be where he was when he was attacked and had more right to be there then the animal in question.
Humans could have designated that area not as a National Park, but a designated hunting area..... or turned it all into an industrial park.... or a suburban hell hole.... or a strip mine..... or a waste dump.
But we didn't..... it's a national park for those animals to live and thrive in..... and for us to visit and venture through.
My point is that for those who dub this situation as mere human influence and thus the fault of the human, keep in mind that these animals exist there directly because of human influence in the first place. No matter how hard one tries to create a line between Human life and nature..... the fact remains that human life is directly intertwined with nature.
When any other pack of living creatures has one or more of their family threatened by another animal, that pack will do what it needs to in order to ensure the safety and security of that pack....... us going out there and shooting this goat because it was responsible for killing the 63 year old and was also responsible for a number of attacks in the past, is a direct relation to this pack mentality that exists through many animal species of this planet.... including us.